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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 21, 2019 17:23:38 GMT -6
we don't need Kemp......if someone needs their leg humped, somebody else can do it. How do you hate Kemp so much more than Marisnick when they both suck? Gotta be the mullet.  |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 21, 2019 17:28:56 GMT -6
I would buy it for grandma, LOL! BTW: Do you know how GrannyJean is doing? Tell her to come back for cameo posts, it tis be the season for recipes. Granny Jean just posted her first recipe in Off Topics. I think you'll like the name of her thread. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2019 19:18:01 GMT -6
They were never going to go after him. Especy for $18 million a year. How do you think they’ll go about it next season? Will Stubbs suffice? I think they'll make a push for Maldonado or Chirinos. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2019 20:16:00 GMT -6
How do you think they’ll go about it next season? Will Stubbs suffice? I think they'll make a push for Maldonado or Chirinos. Altuve and Verlander can get Chirinos to re-sign |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 21, 2019 22:44:14 GMT -6
I think they'll make a push for Maldonado or Chirinos. Altuve and Verlander can get Chirinos to re-sign If they're not banned for cheating. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2019 23:03:28 GMT -6
Altuve and Verlander can get Chirinos to re-sign If they're not banned for cheating. manfred said the Astros would be investigated for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons. You have to wonder what "evidence" they think they can find for three years. Hearsay doesn't prove anything. I would hope there are not traces of anything electronic they could find, if it existed. |
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Post by churchill on Nov 21, 2019 23:53:05 GMT -6
If they're not banned for cheating. manfred said the Astros would be investigated for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons. You have to wonder what "evidence" they think they can find for three years. Hearsay doesn't prove anything. I would hope there are not traces of anything electronic they could find, if it existed. An eye witness is not considered Hearsay. If someone says someone else told me they saw something wrong, that's hearsay. So if they get at least 2 eye witnesses who saw the same violation that could be enough... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 22, 2019 2:07:21 GMT -6
I predict that Alex Cora will roll over on the Astros and admit that they cheated. He'll probably do it to lighten his punishment. They'll believe him because he's a minority and manages the BoSox.
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Post by churchill on Nov 22, 2019 2:22:46 GMT -6
Rob Manfred is about to drop the hammer on the Astros.
...Said Manfred Thursday: “We know in at least one instance [my warning] probably wasn’t heeded. We know that now. I think the message was clear.”
There were other ominous signs for the Astros from Manfred this week. While there have been suspicions of other clubs also using technology to steal signs, Manfred said MLB’s focus was limited to Houston at the time. He said that MLB was looking into the 2018 and 2019 seasons, as well.
And, when asked if he would hand down punishment for former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubmann, fired after verbally abusing female reporters in the Houston clubhouse, and the cheating scandal separately, the commissioner said he would likely hand down punishment on both issues at the same time. He hopes to have it wrapped up before spring training.
The beneficiary of all this stands to be … the Rangers. Well, the Rangers and the rest of the AL West, which have to contend with the Astros. Only a month ago, Houston appeared to be on the brink of a dynasty, an empire.
Now, they are about to lose ace Gerrit Cole. They could soon be without a GM for an extended period and they have no assistant GM. They could go to spring training with an interim manager. Their players are liable to spend six weeks in spring training defending their skills as natural rather than technology-enhanced.
For the Astros, it could be a very dire scenario. For the rest of the West, the Rangers included, Rome could be falling faster than anybody could have foreseen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 2:23:39 GMT -6
manfred said the Astros would be investigated for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons. You have to wonder what "evidence" they think they can find for three years. Hearsay doesn't prove anything. I would hope there are not traces of anything electronic they could find, if it existed. An eye witness is not considered Hearsay. If someone says someone else told me they saw something wrong, that's hearsay. So if they get at least 2 eye witnesses who saw the same violation that could be enough... I am not a lawyer, nor are these legal proceedings. But one account without documentation as an eye witness can be construed as hearsay, if an opposing viewpoint is presented. OTOH, you are correct that if TWO uncollaborated witnesses see wrongdoing, then it is a different matter. I really want to get the whole story of what has happened with not only the team, but the other 29 too, before truly giving my full opinion. I have come to grips that there is enough smoke in the vicinity, that there is likely enough evidence to implicate the team in some form of cheating. If it is proven to be electronic, (cameras, computers, etc,) then it is serious. OTOH, I will bet anyone here that we are far and beyond not the only team tweaking these rules. And if the COB office wants to come down like a hammer, then the Astros need to take this matter into scorched earth direction. I would sue to insure that EVERY team in the league got the same level of rectal examination. Then let the chips fall where they may. As I have said earlier, though, I firmly believe that this type of activity is ubiquitous in the game, and for some damn reason now (and I will leave the conspiracy theories out for now) MLB, and their MSM lackeys want to make our team an example for what in a volumetric perspective amounts to going 6 mph over speed limit violation, among a highway amassed with other speeders. Like I have said in previous posts, if MLB asteriks or removes the '17 trophy, I am through with this f'n game forever, and MLB can crash, burn, and die as far as I am concerned. My summer days can be filled in other ways just fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 2:26:49 GMT -6
Rob Manfred is about to drop the hammer on the Astros.
...Said Manfred Thursday: “We know in at least one instance [my warning] probably wasn’t heeded. We know that now. I think the message was clear.”
There were other ominous signs for the Astros from Manfred this week. While there have been suspicions of other clubs also using technology to steal signs, Manfred said MLB’s focus was limited to Houston at the time. He said that MLB was looking into the 2018 and 2019 seasons, as well.
And, when asked if he would hand down punishment for former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubmann, fired after verbally abusing female reporters in the Houston clubhouse, and the cheating scandal separately, the commissioner said he would likely hand down punishment on both issues at the same time. He hopes to have it wrapped up before spring training.
The beneficiary of all this stands to be … the Rangers. Well, the Rangers and the rest of the AL West, which have to contend with the Astros. Only a month ago, Houston appeared to be on the brink of a dynasty, an empire.
Now, they are about to lose ace Gerrit Cole. They could soon be without a GM for an extended period and they have no assistant GM. They could go to spring training with an interim manager. Their players are liable to spend six weeks in spring training defending their skills as natural rather than technology-enhanced.
For the Astros, it could be a very dire scenario. For the rest of the West, the Rangers included, Rome could be falling faster than anybody could have foreseen.
I read another freakin' DFW area sports reporter demand that the WS trophy be forfeited. F their 3rd rate baseball team, and their sportswriters, and fans. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 22, 2019 5:14:22 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 22, 2019 9:30:03 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing. ***** |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:43:23 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing. Very true. But if there is any solace in this, is that if the investigation is thorough, and complete among the 30 teams. You will find most of the teams will be found guilty as well. The COB is probably panicking knowing they are going to have to open that can of worms. Or.... Penalties will be lower (i.e draft picks, fines), and we move right along. Bans, asteriks, or trophy seizure MUST have a scorched earth response. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 22, 2019 9:46:57 GMT -6
I don't think they'll take/asterisk the title, because there's no way to prove that the team wouldn't have won without cheating. I do, however, feel like we're about to be in the market for a new manager and GM. No way they avoid (at least) a long suspension, and I will not be surprised if they're banned from baseball. I also think the players will mostly avoid punishment, other than a couple who were the main contributers to the cheating. Some of the stupid suggestions I've heard on the radio: - Vacate the WS title
- Take away Altuve's MVP and all other awards from 2017
- Make Crane sell the team
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:55:44 GMT -6
I don't think they'll take/asterisk the title, because there's no way to prove that the team wouldn't have won without cheating. I do, however, feel like we're about to be in the market for a new manager and GM. No way they avoid (at least) a long suspension, and I will not be surprised if they're banned from baseball. I also think the players will mostly avoid punishment, other than a couple who were the main contributers to the cheating. Some of the stupid suggestions I've heard on the radio: - Vacate the WS title
- Take away Altuve's MVP and all other awards from 2017
- Make Crane sell the team
You may have the result in hand. But if bans are part of the equation, I hope Luhnow / Hinch take down about another 20 from other teams while they are at it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 10:29:26 GMT -6
manfred said the Astros would be investigated for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons. You have to wonder what "evidence" they think they can find for three years. Hearsay doesn't prove anything. I would hope there are not traces of anything electronic they could find, if it existed. An eye witness is not considered Hearsay. If someone says someone else told me they saw something wrong, that's hearsay. So if they get at least 2 eye witnesses who saw the same violation that could be enough... Just thought here, Winston......this "eyewitness" could be lying or being paid off. I am not saying that is the case, but,it is a possibility. I have a hard time believing that an "eyewitness" remembers details from 2017. I want to see CONCRETE evidence......something that is proven to be accurate.......before I hang an organization. Until I see it, it's all bullshit. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 10:31:48 GMT -6
I predict that Alex Cora will roll over on the Astros and admit that they cheated. He'll probably do it to lighten his punishment. They'll believe him because he's a minority and manages the BoSox. Froggie, you could be right. We may see just exactly how close a friend Cora is to Hinch. I still want them to PRODUCE the evidence and not just talk abput it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:34:41 GMT -6
An eye witness is not considered Hearsay. If someone says someone else told me they saw something wrong, that's hearsay. So if they get at least 2 eye witnesses who saw the same violation that could be enough... Just thought here, Winston......this "eyewitness" could be lying or being paid off. I am not saying that is the case, but,it is a possibility. I have a hard time believing that an "eyewitness" remembers details from 2017. I want to see CONCRETE evidence......something that is proven to be accurate.......before I hang an organization. Until I see it, it's all bullshit. Coach.... Considering (1) Lame stream media (2) inferior team attacks (3) feckless COB office We are guilty in the Court of Public Opinion. It won't matter what the investigation yields. The narrative, and subsequent perception is set. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 10:36:15 GMT -6
Rob Manfred is about to drop the hammer on the Astros.
...Said Manfred Thursday: “We know in at least one instance [my warning] probably wasn’t heeded. We know that now. I think the message was clear.”
There were other ominous signs for the Astros from Manfred this week. While there have been suspicions of other clubs also using technology to steal signs, Manfred said MLB’s focus was limited to Houston at the time. He said that MLB was looking into the 2018 and 2019 seasons, as well.
And, when asked if he would hand down punishment for former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubmann, fired after verbally abusing female reporters in the Houston clubhouse, and the cheating scandal separately, the commissioner said he would likely hand down punishment on both issues at the same time. He hopes to have it wrapped up before spring training.
The beneficiary of all this stands to be … the Rangers. Well, the Rangers and the rest of the AL West, which have to contend with the Astros. Only a month ago, Houston appeared to be on the brink of a dynasty, an empire.
Now, they are about to lose ace Gerrit Cole. They could soon be without a GM for an extended period and they have no assistant GM. They could go to spring training with an interim manager. Their players are liable to spend six weeks in spring training defending their skills as natural rather than technology-enhanced.
For the Astros, it could be a very dire scenario. For the rest of the West, the Rangers included, Rome could be falling faster than anybody could have foreseen.
I read another freakin' DFW area sports reporter demand that the WS trophy be forfeited. F their 3rd rate baseball team, and their sportswriters, and fans. I would not take anything too seriously that I read in the Dallas Morning News.....they will write anything anti-Astros that helps the Arlington Rangers. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 10:45:32 GMT -6
Just thought here, Winston......this "eyewitness" could be lying or being paid off. I am not saying that is the case, but,it is a possibility. I have a hard time believing that an "eyewitness" remembers details from 2017. I want to see CONCRETE evidence......something that is proven to be accurate.......before I hang an organization. Until I see it, it's all bullshit. Coach.... Considering (1) Lame stream media (2) inferior team attacks (3) feckless COB office We are guilty in the Court of Public Opinion. It won't matter what the investigation yields. The narrative, and subsequent perception is set. Yes. The Court of Public Opinion has been wrong in many cases. It acts without evidence and the media will spread the version that sounds juicier and benefits the team they cover. We better be ready to offer some solid evidence that these allegations are mostly conjecture. I have no doubt that we had guys like Beltran in the dugout who picked up signs. He and others probably picked up some catcher's signs while on second base and relayed them to the hitter. Beltran and some others could have picked up on the fact that some pitchers..namely Darvish....was tipping pitches...Nothing illegal about any of that. All teams have cameras near the dugout to check replays to determine if a challenge is warranted. How can evidence be presented that actually proves cameras were installed beyond the OF fence that were used to steal signs? Unless they have copies of the material used, "eyewitness" accounts are all hearsay. Teams such as the Yankees Red Sox, and maybe the Dodger are pushing this 'investigation". Butt hurt losers like Fiers who were dumped by the Astros should basically be ignored. I wonder if they have talked to Giles, who left on bad terms, too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 10:47:24 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing. They will not make us vacate the WS title. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 22, 2019 10:48:33 GMT -6
I think the Astros are guilty as sin. I also think it’s bullshit that they’re limiting the scope of investigation to just one team. If you’re going to try and stop it, don’t halfass it. Go for all the Apple Watch stealing, dugout phone using, centerfield signaling teams out there. Stop making it seem like the Astros invented cheating.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 22, 2019 10:49:09 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing. They will not make us vacate the WS title. Good because I love baseball. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:52:06 GMT -6
I’m definitely on the other side of the fence, but if our title is taken away, I might also stop watching baseball. That’s just too much of a middle finger to the fanbase that emotionally and financially devoted themselves to this team. No matter what happens to the Astros, we are the ones who are screwed by this whole thing. They will not make us vacate the WS title. You never know how these witch hunts pan out. If it does happen, I am through with this game forever. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 22, 2019 11:26:59 GMT -6
White Sox extended Jose Abreu, 3y/$50m
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 22, 2019 11:28:29 GMT -6
They will not make us vacate the WS title. You never know how these witch hunts pan out. If it does happen, I am through with this game forever. If the Astros really cheated...is it still a "witch hunt"? If you sub in "NYY" in the place of "Astros|...is it still a "witch hunt"? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:38:45 GMT -6
You never know how these witch hunts pan out. If it does happen, I am through with this game forever. If the Astros really cheated...is it still a "witch hunt"? If you sub in "NYY" in the place of "Astros|...is it still a "witch hunt"? I tell you what. If the Astros were singularly guilty in this affair I would agree. However, if anyone thinks that we are the only guilty party in this league, I have some FL land for sale. Who knows there may be culprits worse than us. The whole feckin mess is tainted. Yeah, our hand was caught in the cookie jar, but the timing is highly suspect IMO, and likely an effort to thrwart a sports dynasty instead of all of the sudden show of faux outrage that has culminated the past few weeks. I may sound like a broken record, but I say BRING IT!!!!!. Let's get the proctoscope out and comprehensively investigate all 30 teams. Let's see how that pans out |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 22, 2019 12:17:23 GMT -6
If the Astros really cheated...is it still a "witch hunt"? If you sub in "NYY" in the place of "Astros|...is it still a "witch hunt"? I tell you what. If the Astros were singularly guilty in this affair I would agree. However, if anyone thinks that we are the only guilty party in this league, I have some FL land for sale. Who knows there may be culprits worse than us. The whole feckin mess is tainted. Yeah, our hand was caught in the cookie jar, but the timing is highly suspect IMO, and likely an effort to thrwart a sports dynasty instead of all of the sudden show of faux outrage that has culminated the past few weeks. I may sound like a broken record, but I say BRING IT!!!!!. Let's get the proctoscope out and comprehensively investigate all 30 teams. Let's see how that pans out No way do they investigate all 30 teams because the media's beloved Yankees would be exposed as would the Red Sox, Dodgers, and most of the others. If the Astros are guilty, they have done nothing the others haven't done. It chaps my ass that they want to zero in on the Astros and ignore the others. If this bullshit is based on the word of a butt hurt loser like Fiers, then, the whole investigation is a sham based on the word of guy who got dumped by the team he's pointing the finger at as being guilty, His damn A's are probably guilty, too. The whole damn thing is a witch hunt being drug out because the Astros had the audacity to stop being the nice losers and started winning, eliminating the damn Yankees three times and beating the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers on the way to the WS title in 2017. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 12:22:13 GMT -6
I tell you what. If the Astros were singularly guilty in this affair I would agree. However, if anyone thinks that we are the only guilty party in this league, I have some FL land for sale. Who knows there may be culprits worse than us. The whole feckin mess is tainted. Yeah, our hand was caught in the cookie jar, but the timing is highly suspect IMO, and likely an effort to thrwart a sports dynasty instead of all of the sudden show of faux outrage that has culminated the past few weeks. I may sound like a broken record, but I say BRING IT!!!!!. Let's get the proctoscope out and comprehensively investigate all 30 teams. Let's see how that pans out No way do they investigate all 30 teams because the media's beloved Yankees would be exposed as would the Red Sox, Dodgers, and most of the others. If the Astros are guilty, they have done nothing the others haven't done. It chaps my ass that they want to zero in on the Astros and ignore the others. If this bullshit is based on the word of a butt hurt loser like Fiers, then, the whole investigation is a sham based on the word of guy who got dumped by the team he's pointing the finger at as being guilty, His damn A's are probably guilty, too. The whole damn thing is a witch hunt being drug out because the Astros had the audacity to stop being the nice losers and started winning, eliminating the damn Yankees three times and beating the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers on the way to the WS title in 2017. Go to any NYY board prior to this fiasco. Our deep sixing their asses twice in the playoffs the past few years is viewed as baseball blasphemy. I am sure that butthurt extends much further up the food chain. Wouldn't be a bit surprised that some NY'er is manipulating the strings on this calculated cheating "hit piece". |
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