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Post by Saint on Dec 3, 2019 15:50:10 GMT -6
All jokes aside, he is 27-12 with a 3.73 ERA (116 ERA+) since leaving Houston while averaging 178 innings. I guess Strom didn't fix him either... I think he needs to be strictly a reliever. I know we need starters and he's been pretty good when healthy, but I don't think he has it in him to be healthy with that workload. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 3, 2019 15:54:52 GMT -6
This would have been impressive:
"Martino also asserts in another tweet that the Mets nearly pulled off a Wheeler-Noah Syndergaard blockbuster before backing out of talks with the Astros."
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 15:55:02 GMT -6
It'd be nice if we could get McCullers to average 178 IP I think he needs to be strictly a reliever. I know we need starters and he's been pretty good when healthy, but I don't think he has it in him to be healthy with that workload. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 15:57:57 GMT -6
This would have been impressive: "Martino also asserts in another tweet that the Mets nearly pulled off a Wheeler-Noah Syndergaard blockbuster before backing out of talks with the Astros." Mets told everyone interested at the trade deadline last year they were sellers when they were really buyers
So did the Giants
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Post by sempersmom on Dec 3, 2019 16:33:14 GMT -6
String him up like a pinata. I'll bring the bat to beat him with. So he replaces the basura? Works for me. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 3, 2019 17:17:26 GMT -6
It'd be nice if we could get McCullers to average 178 IP I think he needs to be strictly a reliever. I know we need starters and he's been pretty good when healthy, but I don't think he has it in him to be healthy with that workload. If we could sign a quality starter, I would like to see McCullers tried as the closer. That would allow us to trade Osuna. But, before we start trading relievers, we need to know that Pressly is 100% healthy, See what we can get for Correa, Reddick, and Osuna if we package them in a deal.....that is if our pen would be OK without Osuna. I think McCullers could be a top closer. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2019 17:53:08 GMT -6
This would have been impressive: "Martino also asserts in another tweet that the Mets nearly pulled off a Wheeler-Noah Syndergaard blockbuster before backing out of talks with the Astros." Damn it. Instead, we just got a Greinke. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 3, 2019 17:54:34 GMT -6
All jokes aside, he is 27-12 with a 3.73 ERA (116 ERA+) since leaving Houston while averaging 178 innings. I guess Strom didn't fix him either... Imagine how good his numbers might have been had we not hit him around due to knowing which pitch was coming. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2019 17:55:41 GMT -6
All jokes aside, he is 27-12 with a 3.73 ERA (116 ERA+) since leaving Houston while averaging 178 innings. I guess Strom didn't fix him either... Imagine how good his numbers might have been had we not hitting him around due to knowing which pitch was coming. You’re really drawing the ire of Lydia. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 17:55:51 GMT -6
See what we can get for Correa, Reddick, and Osuna if we package them in a deal..... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2019 17:57:51 GMT -6
See what we can get for Correa, Reddick, and Osuna if we package them in a deal..... People are too sensitive with that guy’s posts. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 18:03:06 GMT -6
For someone who gives voodoo a hard time, your trade proposals sure do mirror his at times People are too sensitive with that guy’s posts. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2019 18:16:42 GMT -6
People are too sensitive with that guy’s posts. Sure but Manfred wouldn’t be ready. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2019 18:42:34 GMT -6
It'd be nice if we could get McCullers to average 178 IP I think he needs to be strictly a reliever. I know we need starters and he's been pretty good when healthy, but I don't think he has it in him to be healthy with that workload. I agree.... People have given mention to his violent delivery, bullpen might be the best for him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2019 18:46:32 GMT -6
See what we can get for Correa, Reddick, and Osuna if we package them in a deal..... Are you trying to say Finkle is Einhorn? Einhorn is Finkle? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2019 19:04:14 GMT -6
Imagine how good his numbers might have been had we not hitting him around due to knowing which pitch was coming. You’re really drawing the ire of Lydia. I have $10 on Lydia whipping his ass. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2019 19:18:17 GMT -6
BTW - Astros are going to sign Porcello, and he will kick ass for the team. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 3, 2019 19:26:23 GMT -6
For someone who gives voodoo a hard time, your trade proposals sure do mirror his at times Are you trying to say Finkle is Einhorn? Einhorn is Finkle? Finkle and Einhorn? Einhorn finkle finkle?!! You found captain Winkey |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 3, 2019 19:41:29 GMT -6
Anyways, does anyone think something will actually happen soon?
Or do you think there gonna wait till the bargain bin opens?
Lots of crazy reports on the Astros almost got Noah and Wheeler.
Idk about that.
Noah would be a great add at the moment but I wonder what that Package was?
I really hope the Astros are more open to moving on from Correa
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 3, 2019 20:09:00 GMT -6
See what we can get for Correa, Reddick, and Osuna if we package them in a deal..... I would think if we packaged those three in a deal, we could get a good deal in return. I am not suggesting trading them for prospects nobody has ever heard of or for some half-assed major leaguers. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 3, 2019 20:10:50 GMT -6
Anyways, does anyone think something will actually happen soon? Or do you think there gonna wait till the bargain bin opens? Lots of crazy reports on the Astros almost got Noah and Wheeler. Idk about that. Noah would be a great add at the moment but I wonder what that Package was? I really hope the Astros are more open to moving on from Correa I hope we can deal Mr. and Mrs. Correa somewhere,but,I am not holding my breath until it happens. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 3, 2019 20:37:05 GMT -6
We should trade for Mike Fiers. String him up like a pinata. I'll bring the bat to beat him with. Omg mom, so violent. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 21:49:14 GMT -6
For someone who gives voodoo a hard time, your trade proposals sure do mirror his at times I would think if we packaged those three in a deal, we could get a good deal in return. I am not suggesting trading them for prospects nobody has ever heard of or for some half-assed major leaguers.
All of whom are about to become expensive salary-wise voodoo |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 3, 2019 21:53:33 GMT -6
For someone who gives voodoo a hard time, your trade proposals sure do mirror his at times Are you trying to say Finkle is Einhorn? Einhorn is Finkle? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 3, 2019 23:43:52 GMT -6
I would think if we packaged those three in a deal, we could get a good deal in return. I am not suggesting trading them for prospects nobody has ever heard of or for some half-assed major leaguers.
All of whom are about to become expensive salary-wise voodooWell, Einstein....Maybe you should tell us what moves to make. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 4, 2019 9:40:09 GMT -6
You can’t expect much in return if your trade package is a player who can’t hit his weight, someone who can’t stay off the IL and a reliever who isn’t the postseason beast he was since he got pinched for battery
All of whom are about to become expensive salary-wise voodoo Well, Einstein....Maybe you should tell us what moves to make. Why? I'd rather be entertained by reading y'all toss proposals back and forth. Doesn't mean I can't comment on the probability we can expect them to bear fruit I read one analysis that said the most we can hope for in a trade for Reddick is Mark Melancon. I'm sure we all can agree he's not the starter we're looking for
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 4, 2019 9:44:51 GMT -6
I would think if we packaged those three in a deal, we could get a good deal in return. I am not suggesting trading them for prospects nobody has ever heard of or for some half-assed major leaguers.
All of whom are about to become expensive salary-wise voodooI think it's amusing when someone suggests a package deal. As if the prospective buyer will ignore the warts and be overwhelmed by whatever is good. It doesn't really work that way. In fact it narrows the market. Let's look at the good and the bad for each first. Correa: Two years of team control remaining. (that's a plus) Projected arb - $7.4M. He's worth that and much more IF he stays healthy. His OPS+ 137 looks amazing on a player in a premium position like Shortstop, and on defense he's very good. But the reason VooTwo wants to dump him is the same reason he looks less attractive to a prospective buyer. In the past three years he hasn't played in more than 110 games in a season because of injuries. 2019 was the worst of the three with only 75 games. A GM can probably be found who's willing to roll the dice but they aren't going to overpay for the opportunity. He'll garner a decent return, though. Osuna: VooTwo likes to brag on the fact that our DA (Domestic Abuser) led the AL in saves. But that's a garbage stat. To begin with, the 38 saves don't look quite as good when you consider he shit the bed 6 times. That's still not dreadful, but isn't stellar either. Make no mistake, with a .877 WHIP and 2.63 ERA he was an excellent reliever in 2019. But not as elite as the raw save total would lead you to believe. Alone he would garner a decent return as he has two years of team control remaining and he's worth more than his projected $10.2M salary. Every contending team with room on their payroll would be interested in a reliever with his talents at that price point, so adding him doesn't narrow the market of prospective trade partners. So far the 'package' looks like it should bring a good return. Reddick: This is where the deal goes South in a huge way. OPS+ of 89 doesn't look good on any player. That's marginally tolerable on a player in a premium defensive like a middle infielder or catcher. For a corner outfielder, that's just plain awful. With a $13M salary (thankfully for only one year), adding him just turned the 'package' into a steaming dookie. You can probably find a GM willing to roll the dice on Correa and have the payroll to add an excellent reliever, but an additional $13M for a corner outfielder who can't hit narrowed the market to pretty much no one, unless you accept very little in return for the whole deal. If the Astros eat the entire salary for Reddick, he becomes a (minor) plus. The buying team can cross their fingers and hope he figures out how to hit again. If he doesn't they can just jettison him at any time to open the roster spot and they only lose $1/2M. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2019 10:32:06 GMT -6
Well, Einstein....Maybe you should tell us what moves to make. Why? I'd rather be entertained by reading y'all toss proposals back and forth. Doesn't mean I can't comment on the probability we can expect them to bear fruit I read one analysis that said the most we can hope for in a trade for Reddick is Mark Melancon. I'm sure we all can agree he's not the starter we're lookingNice for
Nice way of admitting you have no clue about what we should do.......and, we had Melancon a few years ago and traded him. He is a reliever and has been fairly effective at times. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2019 10:38:10 GMT -6
You can’t expect much in return if your trade package is a player who can’t hit his weight, someone who can’t stay off the IL and a reliever who isn’t the postseason beast he was since he got pinched for battery
All of whom are about to become expensive salary-wise voodoo I think it's amusing when someone suggests a package deal. As if the prospective buyer will ignore the warts and be overwhelmed by whatever is good. It doesn't really work that way. In fact it narrows the market. Let's look at the good and the bad for each first. Correa: Two years of team control remaining. (that's a plus) Projected arb - $7.4M. He's worth that and much more IF he stays healthy. His OPS+ 137 looks amazing on a player in a premium position like Shortstop, and on defense he's very good. But the reason VooTwo wants to dump him is the same reason he looks less attractive to a prospective buyer. In the past three years he hasn't played in more than 110 games in a season because of injuries. 2019 was the worst of the three with only 75 games. A GM can probably be found who's willing to roll the dice but they aren't going to overpay for the opportunity. He'll garner a decent return, though. Osuna: VooTwo likes to brag on the fact that our DA (Domestic Abuser) led the AL in saves. But that's a garbage stat. To begin with, the 38 saves don't look quite as good when you consider he shit the bed 6 times. That's still not dreadful, but isn't stellar either. Make no mistake, with a .877 WHIP and 2.63 ERA he was an excellent reliever in 2019. But not as elite as the raw save total would lead you to believe. Alone he would garner a decent return as he has two years of team control remaining and he's worth more than his projected $10.2M salary. Every contending team with room on their payroll would be interested in a reliever with his talents at that price point, so adding him doesn't narrow the market of prospective trade partners. So far the 'package' looks like it should bring a good return. Reddick: This is where the deal goes South in a huge way. OPS+ of 89 doesn't look good on any player. That's marginally tolerable on a player in a premium defensive like a middle infielder or catcher. For a corner outfielder, that's just plain awful. With a $13M salary (thankfully for only one year), adding him just turned the 'package' into a steaming dookie. You can probably find a GM willing to roll the dice on Correa and have the payroll to add an excellent reliever, but an additional $13M for a corner outfielder who can't hit narrowed the market to pretty much no one, unless you accept very little in return for the whole deal. If the Astros eat the entire salary for Reddick, he becomes a (minor) plus. The buying team can cross their fingers and hope he figures out how to hit again. If he doesn't they can just jettison him at any time to open the roster spot and they only lose $1/2M. You actually made some valid points for a change. No evidence has been given to show that Osuna is a domestic abuser.....only allegations that were dropped. No closer is perfect. There are no more Marianos around. Reddick will be hard to deal if traded by himself and the main purpose in dealing him is to free up the money we are paying him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2019 11:03:17 GMT -6
As Luhnow tweaks the Astros roster in the offseason, I hope he takes a close look at the position players’ numbers with runners in scoring position and especially with a runner at 3B. Some guys just have what it takes to get the runners home in those situations and others just don’t. Abraham Toro apparently has what it takes. At AA he batted .319 (37-116) with runners in scoring position and .421 (8-19) with a runner at 3B. At AAA he batted .333 (7-21) with runners in scoring position and 1.000 (3-3) with a runner at 3B. Stubbs batted .111 (6-54) with runners in scoring position and .000 (0-1 with 4 walks) with a runner at 3B at AAA. Tucker batted .291 (41-141) with runners in scoring position and .231 (3-13) with a runner at 3B at AAA. On one hand, they were god-awful with RISP. On the other hand, they made it to the last game of the season. Without Cole, though, expect some backsliding. Verlander is a year older, and McCullers is a year removed from the game. Luhnow better get some players before the punishments begin. |
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