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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2019 10:27:50 GMT -6
Even if we HAD the money, would you guys really want to sign a pitcher to that much money for SEVEN (7) years? No way. That contract would hinder us for years. (See Carlos Lee) Carlos Lee was worth the money until he broke his pinkie. Man, that contract lasted forever. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2019 10:28:47 GMT -6
Even if we HAD the money, would you guys really want to sign a pitcher to that much money for SEVEN (7) years? Yeah, the years are way worse than the money. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 10:31:48 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 10:32:42 GMT -6
No way. That contract would hinder us for years. (See Carlos Lee) Carlos Lee was worth the money until he broke his pinkie. Man, that contract lasted forever. Absolutely correct. It was fun watching him, until he got hurt. Plus, he rid us of Noodlebat. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 10:34:57 GMT -6
Would the Astros be interested in a low risk, medium+ ceiling in Tajuan Walker? Former top prospect that has basically missed last two seasons because of health issues. Good Velocity, but below average spin rate. Re-sign Cole. Let Reddick, Yuli, and maybe Brantley go. Re-sign Springer. Trade Greinke. I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 10:37:27 GMT -6
Carlos Lee was worth the money until he broke his pinkie. Man, that contract lasted forever. Absolutely correct. It was fun watching him, until he got hurt. Plus, he rid us of Noodlebat. Not me. I don't think $19M annually in 2007 dollars was worth anywhere what he contributed here. Plus he was a defensive liability. |
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Post by churchill on Dec 9, 2019 10:37:27 GMT -6
Angels are the Kings of crappy LT contracts. Especially if Trout's injury history escalates further. Like I said a few weeks ago. If that number is valid, the Halos will have a billion dollars invested in 3 players. Pujols has only 2 years left so they have only $70M left invested in him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 10:43:49 GMT -6
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Post by churchill on Dec 9, 2019 13:17:48 GMT -6
Oh yeah, the Angels are also paying Pujols $10 million over 10 years after he retires in a personal service contract.
$1M/yr. for 10 yrs.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2019 13:34:12 GMT -6
Re-sign Cole. Let Reddick, Yuli, and maybe Brantley go. Re-sign Springer. Trade Greinke. I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 9, 2019 13:38:27 GMT -6
I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. You are probably in the majority. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 13:41:38 GMT -6
I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. Not to mention that fact that he allowed them to cheat.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:44:32 GMT -6
I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. I guess the 2017 WS was an illusion. I agree that it (G7, '19 WS) wasn't his finest hour, but damning him for one game is a bit much huh? Jimy Williams, Bo Porter, and Cecil Cooper are painful memories, I guess we choose to forget. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:45:18 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. Not to mention that fact that he allowed them to cheat.  |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 13:53:14 GMT -6
Not to mention that fact that he allowed them to cheat.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:55:25 GMT -6
Bumgarner reportedly (sorry ...Yardbarker article). wants 5/>$100M. How much over? Who knows.
He's 30, and had an off year. Worth the risk?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 13:58:11 GMT -6
Bumgarner reportedly (sorry ...Yardbarker article). wants 5/>$100M. How much over? Who knows. He's 30, and had an off year. Worth the risk? Might liven the place up a bit. He's better than Miley. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 13:58:49 GMT -6
Bumgarner reportedly (sorry ...Yardbarker article). wants 5/>$100M. How much over? Who knows. He's 30, and had an off year. Worth the risk? Might liven the place up a bit. He's better than Miley. To be honest, we should pursue Keuchel. Didn't he just sign for 1 year last year? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:25:43 GMT -6
Might liven the place up a bit. He's better than Miley. To be honest, we should pursue Keuchel. Didn't he just sign for 1 year last year? And make the same QO.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 14:32:04 GMT -6
I dont't think we need to tear down the roster in an attempt to keep Cole who seems to have made it clear that he is chasing money and doesn't want to be here. I wanted to keep him, too. But, I am not willing to dump Yuli or Brantley to do it. I totally agree we MUST extend Springer. The way that Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching in game 7 soured Cole on coming back to Houston and I doubt Greinke was impressed with being yanked while pitching a masterpiece. Hinch was too quick to pull Greinke because of the home run and walk. His impulsiveness probably cost us winning the WS. He would have left Verlander in where he pulled Greinke and Verlander was the weak link of the rotationn in the post season. I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. My sentiments exactly...Hinch totally mismanaged the pitching, lost the WS, and pissed off Cole and Greinke in the process. Greinke is coming back to play for a manager who has not shown much confidence in him. I wish we could trade Hinch to the Mets for Beltran. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 14:34:01 GMT -6
Bats gave Strasberg $245 million over 7 years...........Cole's price just went up.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 14:36:43 GMT -6
Might liven the place up a bit. He's better than Miley. To be honest, we should pursue Keuchel. Didn't he just sign for 1 year last year? Screw Keuchel.......a waste of money. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 14:37:59 GMT -6
To be honest, we should pursue Keuchel. Didn't he just sign for 1 year last year? Screw Keuchel.......a waste of money. LMAO, I knew that'd trigger you. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2019 14:38:37 GMT -6
Bats gave Strasberg $245 million over 7 years...........Cole's price just went up. That means they won't be going after Rendon, since they've already said they can't afford both. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 14:45:47 GMT -6
Screw Keuchel.......a waste of money. LMAO, I knew that'd trigger you.  I have seen all of that asshole I want to see........too expensive for a BP pitcher.....we made him a QO and he declined.......piss on him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 9, 2019 14:46:45 GMT -6
Bats gave Strasberg $245 million over 7 years...........Cole's price just went up. That means they won't be going after Rendon, since they've already said they can't afford both. Dodgers and Rangers are supposed to be in on Rendon, I wish I knew we were in on somebody we need. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2019 15:01:57 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. Not to mention that fact that he allowed them to cheat. If they cheated in the World Series, they must suck at it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2019 15:03:48 GMT -6
I might be in the minority here, but after Game 7 of the World Series, I can’t say that I really trust Hinch anymore. Forget what Harris did. Leaving Cole in the bullpen was inexcusable. If your strategy in a winner-take-all championship clinching game does not involve going down with your best pitcher, then I question your managerial aptitude. Even his explanation didn’t make much sense. Sorry, but I don’t trust Hinch and his clipboard. I guess the 2017 WS was an illusion. I agree that it (G7, '19 WS) wasn't his finest hour, but damning him for one game is a bit much huh? Jimy Williams, Bo Porter, and Cecil Cooper are painful memories, I guess we choose to forget. If I were to judge a manager for one game, it should be for one playing it safe in a WS Game 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:15:23 GMT -6
I guess the 2017 WS was an illusion. I agree that it (G7, '19 WS) wasn't his finest hour, but damning him for one game is a bit much huh? Jimy Williams, Bo Porter, and Cecil Cooper are painful memories, I guess we choose to forget. If I were to judge a manager for one game, it should be for one playing it safe in a WS Game 7. Fair enough. Should't 2017 G7 be the opposite side of that conundrum? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:32:37 GMT -6
Not to mention that fact that he allowed them to cheat. If they cheated in the World Series, they must suck at it. I know this cheating fiasco has been beaten like a dead horse. But: (1) Why would management of the team risk so much for so little gain, considering the logistics of sucessful sign stealing, no matter how high tech. (2) Also along risk, consider the turnover of players, why would someone take illegal approaches, knowing that maybe up to a 1/3 of this year's team mates will be next year's opponents? (3) Why would so many risk their livelihoods for the rest of their careers, for such folly. Much alighened to why a millionaire would shop lift a $50 dollar item. Not feasible. (4) We have one ex player from '17 team emphatically state he did not see the team cheat. How many of these accounts are from jilted players like Fiers, who want a little retribution. (5) Also, if this is true, did the team do it in an attempt to keep up with everyone else. If an when the truth comes out, the nature of a cheating enviroment may be more ubiquitous than everyone realizes. Sign stealing is as old as baseball itself. Just how much of what the team did that is illegal remains to be seen. |
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I have seen all of that asshole I want to see........too expensive for a BP pitcher.....we made him a QO and he declined.......piss on him.