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Post by olpapa on Nov 2, 2019 21:16:31 GMT -6
So who do you think the Astros will non-tender? I think they non-tender Sanchez and Biagini. I don’t think the team will exercise its $2.825 million option on Devenski. He may be non-tendered as well.
Springer, Brantley, Reddick, and Marisnick are all due to hit FA in 2021. Even if they do sign Springer and Brantley, that would mean two rookies (unless they sign or trade for someone else), unless Tucker and/or someone else sees the bigs in 2021. If they don't sign either Springer or Brantley, the astros could be looking at a complete rookie OF in 2021. *gasp* I don’t think Marisnick will be back next season. He may be tendered and then traded, rather than non-tendered, but either way I don’t think he will be back with the Astros next season. I don’t see how the team can extend Springer this offseason and get under the luxury tax limit in 2020. Right now the Astros are projected to have a payroll of a little under $143 million for 2021 for luxury tax purposes. I think Luhnow will definitely try to re-sign Springer next offseason. The team isn’t exactly loaded with quality OF prospects in the upper minors beyond Tucker and Straw so he may try to re-sign Brantley next offseason as well. If Luhnow is unable to re-sign with Springer or Brantley next offseason, he will have to sign at least one FA outfielder IMO. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2019 23:26:55 GMT -6
Springer, Brantley, Reddick, and Marisnick are all due to hit FA in 2021. Even if they do sign Springer and Brantley, that would mean two rookies (unless they sign or trade for someone else), unless Tucker and/or someone else sees the bigs in 2021. If they don't sign either Springer or Brantley, the astros could be looking at a complete rookie OF in 2021. *gasp* I don’t think Marisnick will be back next season. He may be tendered and then traded, rather than non-tendered, but either way I don’t think he will be back with the Astros next season. I don’t see how the team can extend Springer this offseason and get under the luxury tax limit in 2020. Right now the Astros are projected to have a payroll of a little under $143 million for 2021 for luxury tax purposes. I think Luhnow will definitely try to re-sign Springer next offseason. The team isn’t exactly loaded with quality OF prospects in the upper minors beyond Tucker and Straw so he may try to re-sign Brantley next offseason as well. If Luhnow is unable to re-sign with Springer or Brantley next offseason, he will have to sign at least one FA outfielder IMO. I don't really understand how the luxury tax works. If Springer is extended prior to the 2020 season and most of the money deferred, how does that effect the luxury tax? I just want them to find a way to keep George under contract. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2019 3:04:34 GMT -6
Springer, Brantley, Reddick, and Marisnick are all due to hit FA in 2021. Even if they do sign Springer and Brantley, that would mean two rookies (unless they sign or trade for someone else), unless Tucker and/or someone else sees the bigs in 2021. If they don't sign either Springer or Brantley, the astros could be looking at a complete rookie OF in 2021. *gasp* I don’t think Marisnick will be back next season. He may be tendered and then traded, rather than non-tendered, but either way I don’t think he will be back with the Astros next season. I don’t see how the team can extend Springer this offseason and get under the luxury tax limit in 2020. Right now the Astros are projected to have a payroll of a little under $143 million for 2021 for luxury tax purposes. I think Luhnow will definitely try to re-sign Springer next offseason. The team isn’t exactly loaded with quality OF prospects in the upper minors beyond Tucker and Straw so he may try to re-sign Brantley next offseason as well. If Luhnow is unable to re-sign with Springer or Brantley next offseason, he will have to sign at least one FA outfielder IMO. Astros send Correa, Reddick, Marisnick to the Mets for: Lugo, Alvarez (C), Smith (LHP) and either Adrian Hernandez (OF) or Ryder Ryan (RHP-RP) |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2019 7:19:05 GMT -6
Strasburg opted out with the Nationals. Chapman extended by Yankees.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2019 7:32:40 GMT -6
Strasburg opted out with the Nationals. Chapman extended by Yankees. 6 years/200M. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2019 8:21:22 GMT -6
I don’t know if that was the best move by the Yankees, but he is a great closer.
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2019 8:35:28 GMT -6
I don’t think Marisnick will be back next season. He may be tendered and then traded, rather than non-tendered, but either way I don’t think he will be back with the Astros next season. I don’t see how the team can extend Springer this offseason and get under the luxury tax limit in 2020. Right now the Astros are projected to have a payroll of a little under $143 million for 2021 for luxury tax purposes. I think Luhnow will definitely try to re-sign Springer next offseason. The team isn’t exactly loaded with quality OF prospects in the upper minors beyond Tucker and Straw so he may try to re-sign Brantley next offseason as well. If Luhnow is unable to re-sign with Springer or Brantley next offseason, he will have to sign at least one FA outfielder IMO. I don't really understand how the luxury tax works. If Springer is extended prior to the 2020 season and most of the money deferred, how does that effect the luxury tax? I just want them to find a way to keep George under contract. Coach, here is a link to the Astros payroll page at Roster Resource: www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/astrosThere is a explanation of how the luxury tax works at the bottom of the page which explains all the components that go into calculating the team’s payroll for luxury tax purposes. Basically you have two payroll figures each year. One is the actual payroll that the team will pay out that season. The other is the team’s payroll for purposes of the luxury tax. For luxury tax purposes a player’s salary is determined by calculating the average annual salary (or average annual value, AAV) AT THE TIME HE SIGNS HIS CONTRACT. So if we sign a player to a 5-year, $125 million contract, his AAV is $25 million. For purposes of the luxury tax that player’s salary becomes $25 for each year of his contract, regardless of what his actual salary is each year of the contract. If you look at the payroll page at the link above, Bregman is a good example of this. His actual salary that he will be paid in 2020 is $13 million, but at the time he signed his contract, his average salary (AAV) for his contract was $20 million per year, so for purposes of the luxury tax his salary this year is $20 million. In Greinke’s case his AAV at the time he signed his contract was $34,416,667. Since Arizona is paying $10,300,000 of his salary in 2020 and 2021, for purposes of the luxury tax in 2020 and 2021 his salary is shared by the Astros and Dbacks. For luxury tax purposes $24.116,667 will be charged to the Astros payroll and $10,300,000 will be charged to the Dbacks in both 2020 and 2021. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -6
Strasburg opted out with the Nationals. Chapman extended by Yankees. 6 years/200M. I don't think Cole would have signed for that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 10:07:27 GMT -6
I don't really understand how the luxury tax works. If Springer is extended prior to the 2020 season and most of the money deferred, how does that effect the luxury tax? I just want them to find a way to keep George under contract. Coach, here is a link to the Astros payroll page at Roster Resource: www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/astrosThere is a explanation of how the luxury tax works at the bottom of the page which explains all the components that go into calculating the team’s payroll for luxury tax purposes. Basically you have two payroll figures each year. One is the actual payroll that the team will pay out that season. The other is the team’s payroll for purposes of the luxury tax. For luxury tax purposes a player’s salary is determined by calculating the average annual salary (or average annual value, AAV) AT THE TIME HE SIGNS HIS CONTRACT. So if we sign a player to a 5-year, $125 million contract, his AAV is $25 million. For purposes of the luxury tax that player’s salary becomes $25 for each year of his contract, regardless of what his actual salary is each year of the contract. If you look at the payroll page at the link above, Bregman is a good example of this. His actual salary that he will be paid in 2020 is $13 million, but at the time he signed his contract, his average salary (AAV) for his contract was $20 million per year, so for purposes of the luxury tax his salary this year is $20 million. In Greinke’s case his AAV at the time he signed his contract was $34,416,667. Since Arizona is paying $10,300,000 of his salary in 2020 and 2021, for purposes of the luxury tax in 2020 and 2021 his salary is shared by the Astros and Dbacks. For luxury tax purposes $24.116,667 will be charged to the Astros payroll and $10,300,000 will be charged to the Dbacks in both 2020 and 2021. h In this case, it looks like we need to wait for a new contract for Springer to take effect. I don't want to lose him due to a luxury tax. If we had to trade Greinke to free up money for George, I'd do it. Problem would be finding a GM willing to take on his comtract. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 3, 2019 10:18:47 GMT -6
Some tough choices have to be made. If it was me making the calls it would be goodbye Reddick, Correa, Marisnick, Osuna, Devenski, Bagini, and perhaps Sanchez. Then we go from 16 over the cap to 27 million under it.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2019 10:33:37 GMT -6
I don't think Cole would have signed for that. No, but Strasburg is 31, 2 years older than Cole...so a 6 year/200M (33.33M a year) deal might work. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 10:56:07 GMT -6
I don't think Cole would have signed for that. No, but Strasburg is 31, 2 years older than Cole...so a 6 year/200M (33.33M a year) deal might work. Yes, it might. I doubt if we make him an offer. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2019 11:13:59 GMT -6
Some tough choices have to be made. If it was me making the calls it would be goodbye Reddick, Correa, Marisnick, Osuna, Devenski, Bagini, and perhaps Sanchez. Then we go from 16 over the cap to 27 million under it. That’s exactly what they should do. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2019 11:41:53 GMT -6
I don't subscribe, but this snippet is interesting.  |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 3, 2019 12:25:17 GMT -6
Some tough choices have to be made. If it was me making the calls it would be goodbye Reddick, Correa, Marisnick, Osuna, Devenski, Bagini, and perhaps Sanchez. Then we go from 16 over the cap to 27 million under it. Correa could easily be traded and he'd bring something good in return. Reddick can't just be non-tendered like the others. His salary is fixed at $13 million. You either keep him, release him and eat the $13 million, or find someone who's either dumb enough to pay him $13 million or sweeten the deal by sending them part of his salary ... or send a decent prospect with him.
Also, if you cut those six or seven players, you now have several roster spots to fill. Some of the players coming up from the minors might do quite well. Others will crash and burn if you bring them up before they're ready.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 12:28:28 GMT -6
I don't subscribe, but this snippet is interesting. Whatever they are doing produces a winner so I don't think we should be concerned with what those may think who can't cut it as employees. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2019 13:13:23 GMT -6
I don't subscribe, but this snippet is interesting. Hmmm, 1 of 10 employees interviewed made this statement. Sounds like a disgruntled employee. I would think that at least 10% of the employees in most any business could be considered a disgruntled employee. Nothing to see here. Move along. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2019 13:56:25 GMT -6
Some tough choices have to be made. If it was me making the calls it would be goodbye Reddick, Correa, Marisnick, Osuna, Devenski, Bagini, and perhaps Sanchez. Then we go from 16 over the cap to 27 million under it. Correa could easily be traded and he'd bring something good in return. Reddick can't just be non-tendered like the others. His salary is fixed at $13 million. You either keep him, release him and eat the $13 million, or find someone who's either dumb enough to pay him $13 million or sweeten the deal by sending them part of his salary ... or send a decent prospect with him.
Also, if you cut those six or seven players, you now have several roster spots to fill. Some of the players coming up from the minors might do quite well. Others will crash and burn if you bring them up before they're ready.
Of the players mentioned, I would keep the WB; even though, he might be better in a setup role. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2019 14:58:30 GMT -6
Correa could easily be traded and he'd bring something good in return. Reddick can't just be non-tendered like the others. His salary is fixed at $13 million. You either keep him, release him and eat the $13 million, or find someone who's either dumb enough to pay him $13 million or sweeten the deal by sending them part of his salary ... or send a decent prospect with him.
Also, if you cut those six or seven players, you now have several roster spots to fill. Some of the players coming up from the minors might do quite well. Others will crash and burn if you bring them up before they're ready.
Of the players mentioned, I would keep the WB; even though, he might be better in a setup role. Did you call Osuna a wetback? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2019 15:15:18 GMT -6
Of the players mentioned, I would keep the WB; even though, he might be better in a setup role. Did you call Osuna a wetback? That is so not right that it is funny.....but no... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 15:16:09 GMT -6
Correa could easily be traded and he'd bring something good in return. Reddick can't just be non-tendered like the others. His salary is fixed at $13 million. You either keep him, release him and eat the $13 million, or find someone who's either dumb enough to pay him $13 million or sweeten the deal by sending them part of his salary ... or send a decent prospect with him.
Also, if you cut those six or seven players, you now have several roster spots to fill. Some of the players coming up from the minors might do quite well. Others will crash and burn if you bring them up before they're ready.
Of the players mentioned, I would keep the WB; even though, he might be better in a setup role. i would keep Sanchez, too. I am not convinced he couldn't fit into the rotationas a 5th starter or help in the pen. Osuna could be a good setup man for a new closer named Lance McCullers. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2019 15:21:12 GMT -6
Coach, here is a link to the Astros payroll page at Roster Resource: www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/astrosThere is a explanation of how the luxury tax works at the bottom of the page which explains all the components that go into calculating the team’s payroll for luxury tax purposes. In this case, it looks like we need to wait for a new contract for Springer to take effect. I don't want to lose him due to a luxury tax. If we had to trade Greinke to free up money for George, I'd do it. Problem would be finding a GM willing to take on his comtract. Go to the Roster Resource link above and look at the AAV of Altuve’s contract vs the actual salary he will be paid each year 2020-2024. The AAV for luxury tax purposes is $23,357,143 even though his actual salary is $26,000,000 each year 2020-2024. The way this came about is that in July 2013 the Astros agreed to a 4-year deal for $12.5 million to cover the 2014-2017 seasons. This deal included team options for the 2018-2019 seasons. The terms of the deal were (from Cot’s Baseball Contracts): “Altuve signed extension with Houston 7/13/13 $0.75M signing bonus (paid within 60 days of approval) 14:$1.25M, 15:$2.5M, 16:$3.5M, 17:$4.5M, 18:$6M club option, 19:$6.5M club option” The AAV of that 4-year deal for luxury tax purposes was $3.125 million. Though it was a 4-year deal at $3.125 million AAV, the team could control Altuve for 6 years by exercising their $6 million option for the 2018 season and their $6.5 million option for the 2019 season. In March of 2018 the Astros and Altuve signed what was essentially a 5-year $151 million extension beyond the 2019 season because the salary paid to Altuve for 2018 and 2019 did not change from the salary agreed to for the club options in the first contract the parties signed in July 2013. The terms of the new deal was (from Cot’s Baseball Contracts): “Altuve signed extension with Houston 3/19/18 $21M signing bonus (paid $1M upon MLB approval of contract and $10M each 7/1/18 and 7/1/19) 18:$6M, 19:$6.5M, 20:$26M, 21:$26M, 22:$26M, 23:$26M, 24:$26M“ Since the original $6 million and $6.5 million club options for 2018-2019 were included as guaranteed years along with the $26 million for each year 2020-2024 plus the $21 million signing bonus, the deal was considered a 7-year deal for purposes of the luxury tax calculation. This is why the AAV of Altuve’s contract will be $23,357,143 each year 2020-2024 even though his actual salary will be $26 million each year. So Altuve played the 2014-2019 seasons for a total salary of $46 million (the original $12.5 million for 2014-2017 + the $12.5 million for the 2018-2019 seasons + the $21 million signing bonus paid in 3 installments..... $1 million upon MLB approval of the deal in March 2018; $10 million on 7/1/2018 and $10 million on 7/1/2019). Altuve will be paid $26 million for $2020. This means he will have played the 2014-2020 seasons for a total salary of $72 million. After the 2020 season Altuve will have 4 more seasons at $26 million per season coming to him under his current contract. This would mean he played the 2014-2024 seasons for a total of $176 million. Now consider this. In September of 2013 Luhnow offered Springer a 7-year, $23 million deal before he had ever played a game in MLB. The deal would have bought out Springer’s 3 pre-arb seasons (2014-2016) plus his 4 arbitration years (2017-2020...he got a fourth year of arbitration because he qualified for Super Two status). Springer rejected the 7-year, $23 million offer. As a result he played at league minimum salary in years 2014-2016. He avoided arbitration in 2017 by agreeing to a 1-year $3.9 million contract. Then he signed a 2-year, $24 million extension covering the 2018-2019 seasons. So, Springer play the 2014-2016 seasons for a little over a half million per season; then he played the 2017 season for $3.9 million; then he played the 2018-2019 seasons for a total of $24 million. So, if my math is right, George played the 2014-2019 seasons for a total salary of a little less than $29.5 million. If he goes to arbitration for the 2020 season he is projected to get $21.4 million for the 2020 season before becoming a FA at the end of the season. If he gets $21.4 for 2020 through arbitration, he will have played the 2014-2020 seasons for a total salary of approximately $51 million. In order to match Altuve’s $176 million for 2014-2024, Springer will have to get a 4-year, $125 million contract next offseason. I wonder if George would have been better off to take the 7-year $23 million deal he was offered in September 2013 and then later signed an extension with the Astros as Altuve did. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2019 15:25:25 GMT -6
Of the players mentioned, I would keep the WB; even though, he might be better in a setup role. i would keep Sanchez, too. I am not convinced he couldn't fit into the rotationas a 5th starter or help in the pen. Osuna could be a good setup man for a new closer named Lance McCullers. He would’ve been our Morton out of the bullpen in the playoffs. He’s so injury prone, though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2019 15:28:58 GMT -6
Did you call Osuna a wetback? That is so not right that it is funny.....but no... He wasn’t married to her. Don’t you know that makes all the difference??? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 15:58:51 GMT -6
i would keep Sanchez, too. I am not convinced he couldn't fit into the rotationas a 5th starter or help in the pen. Osuna could be a good setup man for a new closer named Lance McCullers. He would’ve been our Morton out of the bullpen in the playoffs. He’s so injury prone, though. He has been injury prone, but, so had Morton before we signed him and look how that turned out. We have him for $5.6 million for 2020. If he is healthy,he would be a cheap starter or reliever. He has the stuff to do both. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 3, 2019 15:59:26 GMT -6
Either way u spin the table u have to move reddick and let Tucker play.
If you move Correa u have to get something good in return. We shouldnt need Marisnick if u like myles Straw. Money saved goes a long way. But u have to figure out what u wanna do with Alvarez. Dh or 1B? Or COF.
I think if you really wanted to capitalize on the value I think Gurriel should be moved forthe Best prospects you can get. His age will come and bit us in the butt eventually.
This is why a Correa and Gurriel to the Blue Jays for Bo Bichette and maybe Nate Pearson and Alejandro Kirk.
That would be a pretty darn good trade for both sides.
The Jays can contend with a couple bats they need Pitching but they can scrap togather some wins with two bats.
It also fits the M.O. of something the Jays would do to sell a story or tickets. Getting the Gurriel Brothers togather.
Js wouldnt be a bad Avenue and then you would have Bichette beside Bregman and Altuve and Yordan fighting for 1st or RF with Tucker.
The amount of money u save once u figure out how to move Reddick would be amazingly good considering
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 16:01:11 GMT -6
That is so not right that it is funny.....but no... He wasn’t married to her. Don’t you know that makes all the difference??? I am still waiting for someone to post proof that Osuna actually beat anyone. If he was guilty, why were no charges pursued? I still think this was dreamed up by a female who wanted a payoff and didn't get it...She had no proof to back up her claim so the deal was dropped. Luhnow knew he was not guilty before he traded for him., |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 3, 2019 16:14:32 GMT -6
Either way u spin the table u have to move reddick and let Tucker play. If you move Correa u have to get something good in return. We shouldnt need Marisnick if u like myles Straw. Money saved goes a long way. But u have to figure out what u wanna do with Alvarez. Dh or 1B? Or COF. I think if you really wanted to capitalize on the value I think Gurriel should be moved forthe Best prospects you can get. His age will come and bit us in the butt eventually. This is why a Correa and Gurriel to the Blue Jays for Bo Bichette and maybe Nate Pearson and Alejandro Kirk. That would be a pretty darn good trade for both sides. The Jays can contend with a couple bats they need Pitching but they can scrap togather some wins with two bats. It also fits the M.O. of something the Jays would do to sell a story or tickets. Getting the Gurriel Brothers togather. Js wouldnt be a bad Avenue and then you would have Bichette beside Bregman and Altuve and Yordan fighting for 1st or RF with Tucker. The amount of money u save once u figure out how to move Reddick would be amazingly good considering Last winter, you whined tha Gurriel and Reddick needed to go....At that time, we needed to keep Reddick. Now, we should trade him. We didn't need to trade Gurriel then, and, we damn sure don't need to trade him now. He just produced 31 home runs, 104 runs batted ink and hit .298 We don't have a replacement unless Alvarez can play first base and that is a big IF.....By trading Correa, we can move Gurriel to 3B and play Bregman at SS unless a better option comes along. You don't start dealing your top run producers unless you have a cheaper replacement and we don't have that. All you talked about last winter was getting Realmuto and Dietrich.,we didn't need either one of them. Now, all we will hear is Bo Bichette. Why do you think the Bluejays would trade him and why do we want him? He hasn't proven a lot as of yet. Since you think it would be so nice to have the Gurriel brothers together, maybe you can get us Yuli's brother in a deal instead of Bo.  |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2019 18:37:50 GMT -6
blcoach8, are you insinuating that the Jays won't trade away one of their cheap, controllable, up-and-coming core players for the chance to get a slumping, over-the-hill, $13,000,000 Josh Reddick?
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 3, 2019 19:22:08 GMT -6
We know our roster will have its issues. I trust Luhnow 100%. We know Verlander is our #1 and Greinke is our #2. We have very solid pieces. We will still be the favorites for the American League West. Go Stros!
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