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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 10:16:06 GMT -6
I doubt the Red Sox would ever trade with us but... Red sox and Padres talked about a trade centered around Mookie Betts for Wil Myers and a few prospects not in there top 5. I wonder if we could jump in the conversation with Mookie Betts for Reddick a pitcher like James or Urquidy plus a top 5 and a couple lowers? I get it one year of Mookie Betts. But we could sign him to the high contract that we want to give Springer. Move Springer to RF let Tucker be the fourth guy and/or move Brantley for Pitchers? We no longer have depth down on the farm. The new GM has to address this and draft wisely since we don't have first or second round picks the next two years. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2020 10:23:38 GMT -6
I doubt the Red Sox would ever trade with us but... Red sox and Padres talked about a trade centered around Mookie Betts for Wil Myers and a few prospects not in there top 5. I wonder if we could jump in the conversation with Mookie Betts for Reddick a pitcher like James or Urquidy plus a top 5 and a couple lowers? I get it one year of Mookie Betts. But we could sign him to the high contract that we want to give Springer. Move Springer to RF let Tucker be the fourth guy and/or move Brantley for Pitchers? We no longer have depth down on the farm. And we no longer have the best GM in the game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2020 10:40:20 GMT -6
We no longer have depth down on the farm. And we no longer have the best GM in the game. And no one to clean up the inbox without him. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 10:42:35 GMT -6
It could be worse. At least with these sanctions we're not missing out on any incredible high draft picks the next couple years due to our rank in the draft. And we have potentially a good chunk of money coming off the books next offseason and even more the following year. So even if the farm is weaker for a couple years during this punishment phase, at least we'll have some money to spend if Crane is willing.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 10:53:05 GMT -6
It could be worse. At least with these sanctions we're not missing out on any incredible high draft picks the next couple years due to our rank in the draft. And we have potentially a good chunk of money coming off the books next offseason and even more the following year. So even if the farm is weaker for a couple years during this punishment phase, at least we'll have some money to spend if Crane is willing. Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 11:01:20 GMT -6
It could be worse. At least with these sanctions we're not missing out on any incredible high draft picks the next couple years due to our rank in the draft. And we have potentially a good chunk of money coming off the books next offseason and even more the following year. So even if the farm is weaker for a couple years during this punishment phase, at least we'll have some money to spend if Crane is willing. Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense. I think we can view Yordan as a Carlos Lee-type of LFer, so if Straw gets a chance in CF I think we'll be fine. I'd really like to see Straw get a chance if he can keep demonstrating the high OBP skills and successful baserunning. He'd be like a more effective Willy T. We really need to get some more good SP prospects... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2020 11:18:00 GMT -6
It could be worse. At least with these sanctions we're not missing out on any incredible high draft picks the next couple years due to our rank in the draft. And we have potentially a good chunk of money coming off the books next offseason and even more the following year. So even if the farm is weaker for a couple years during this punishment phase, at least we'll have some money to spend if Crane is willing. Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense.Are you saying that it isn't acceptable to be a single-tool player? |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 24, 2020 11:21:52 GMT -6
Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense.Are you saying that it isn't acceptable to be a single-tool player? Rut roh.... |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 24, 2020 11:33:43 GMT -6
Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense. I think we can view Yordan as a Carlos Lee-type of LFer, so if Straw gets a chance in CF I think we'll be fine. I'd really like to see Straw get a chance if he can keep demonstrating the high OBP skills and successful baserunning. He'd be like a more effective Willy T. We really need to get some more good SP prospects... Once Brantley and Reddick are gone after the 2020 season, and if we are able to re-sign Springer, I am confident that a outfield of Tucker in LF, Straw in CF and Springer in RF will be fine. Should Straw become the regular center fielder, I’m curious to see if our new manager... whoever he may be... might go with a more old-school approach with his batting order. Straw the high OBP, excellent base stealer leading off with Bregman the good bat control, low strikeout guy batting second while moving Springer and his power bat down to 3, 4 or 5 in the order. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 11:37:35 GMT -6
I think we can view Yordan as a Carlos Lee-type of LFer, so if Straw gets a chance in CF I think we'll be fine. I'd really like to see Straw get a chance if he can keep demonstrating the high OBP skills and successful baserunning. He'd be like a more effective Willy T. We really need to get some more good SP prospects... Once Brantley and Reddick are gone after the 2020 season, and if we are able to re-sign Springer, I am confident that a outfield of Tucker in LF, Straw in CF and Springer in RF will be fine. Should Straw become the regular center fielder, I’m curious to see if our new manager... whoever he may be... might go with a more old-school approach with his batting order. Straw the high OBP, excellent base stealer leading off with Bregman the good bat control, low strikeout guy batting second while moving Springer and his power bat down to 3, 4 or 5 in the order. I don't know, but if Starw keeps getting on base well, you have to have him front of your hitters. Not twiddling his thumbs at the bottom of the order. Springer will be gone though. I have zero faith he'll be here past 2020. I hope I'm wrong though. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 24, 2020 11:54:52 GMT -6
You’re probably right about Springer leaving after this season. I do think that Crane improved our chances of re-signing George when he promptly cleaned up the potential mess Luhnow created by low-balling George when he submitted that ridiculous $17.5 million team figure for the arbitration process. I am afraid that arbitration would have been ugly.
I know George was a Red Sox fan as a kid and his family is from that area of the country. I think Crane will make a good respectable offer to George in an effort to sign him long-term. If he leaves Houston, I think he signs with Boston. I wonder what, if any, effect Boston’s punishment will have on his decision.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -6
Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense. I think we can view Yordan as a Carlos Lee-type of LFer, so if Straw gets a chance in CF I think we'll be fine. I'd really like to see Straw get a chance if he can keep demonstrating the high OBP skills and successful baserunning. He'd be like a more effective Willy T. We really need to get some more good SP prospects... If we can extend Springer, I would like to see our outfield eventually consist of Tucker, Straw, and Springer. I wish they could consider teaching Yordan to play first base as a possible replacement for Yuli. I also think Straw would be the ideal leadoff hitter due to hois hihg OBP and his speed. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 12:06:05 GMT -6
You’re probably right about Springer leaving after this season. I do think that Crane improved our chances of re-signing George when he promptly cleaned up the potential mess Luhnow created by low-balling George when he submitted that ridiculous $17.5 million team figure for the arbitration process. I am afraid that arbitration would have been ugly. I know George was a Red Sox fan as a kid and his family is from that area of the country. I think Crane will make a good respectable offer to George in an effort to sign him long-term. If he leaves Houston, I think he signs with Boston. I wonder what, if any, effect Boston’s punishment will have on his decision. I guess the other thing in our favor is that Boston may not want to spend that amount of money either. Especially if they aren't able to unload Price's remaining contract. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 12:10:00 GMT -6
You’re probably right about Springer leaving after this season. I do think that Crane improved our chances of re-signing George when he promptly cleaned up the potential mess Luhnow created by low-balling George when he submitted that ridiculous $17.5 million team figure for the arbitration process. I am afraid that arbitration would have been ugly. I know George was a Red Sox fan as a kid and his family is from that area of the country. I think Crane will make a good respectable offer to George in an effort to sign him long-term. If he leaves Houston, I think he signs with Boston. I wonder what, if any, effect Boston’s punishment will have on his decision. I guess the other thing in our favor is that Boston may not want to spend that amount of money either. Especially if they aren't able to unload Price's remaining contract. If Crane offers George at least 5 years/$150 million and he won't accept it, I would try to trade him at some point rather than allow him tp walk. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 12:13:50 GMT -6
I guess the other thing in our favor is that Boston may not want to spend that amount of money either. Especially if they aren't able to unload Price's remaining contract. If Crane offers George at least 5 years/$150 million and he won't accept it, I would try to trade him at some point rather than allow him tp walk. It depends on how we're doing heading up to the trade deadline. If it looks like we're nothing more than a wild card contender at best, I'd say make a few trades, including Springer. But if we're still a top-3 team in the league, I think you have to hold on to him and go for another WS. If he walks after the season so be it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 24, 2020 12:17:35 GMT -6
Once Brantley and Reddick are gone after the 2020 season, and if we are able to re-sign Springer, I am confident that a outfield of Tucker in LF, Straw in CF and Springer in RF will be fine. Should Straw become the regular center fielder, I’m curious to see if our new manager... whoever he may be... might go with a more old-school approach with his batting order. Straw the high OBP, excellent base stealer leading off with Bregman the good bat control, low strikeout guy batting second while moving Springer and his power bat down to 3, 4 or 5 in the order. I don't know, but if Starw keeps getting on base well, you have to have him front of your hitters. Not twiddling his thumbs at the bottom of the order. Springer will be gone though. I have zero faith he'll be here past 2020. I hope I'm wrong though. With Verlander and Greinke both being FAs after 2022 season, do the Astros offer Springer 5 year/$165M deal or offer both Brantley and Gurriel 3 year/$54M deals? and then OF is Brantley, Straw and Tucker....Yuli is your 1B and maybe part time 3B, depending on what happens on Correa. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 12:36:50 GMT -6
I don't know, but if Starw keeps getting on base well, you have to have him front of your hitters. Not twiddling his thumbs at the bottom of the order. Springer will be gone though. I have zero faith he'll be here past 2020. I hope I'm wrong though. With Verlander and Greinke both being FAs after 2022 season, do the Astros offer Springer 5 year/$165M deal or offer both Brantley and Gurriel 3 year/$54M deals? and then OF is Brantley, Straw and Tucker....Yuli is your 1B and maybe part time 3B, depending on what happens on Correa. I think it's too early to think about extensions for Brantley and Gurriel yet. At their ages I want to see how they do this year health-wise first. And I don't think Springer is worth more than Altuve. To me, if 5-years $125 million doesn't get him, he can move on. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 13:33:13 GMT -6
With Verlander and Greinke both being FAs after 2022 season, do the Astros offer Springer 5 year/$165M deal or offer both Brantley and Gurriel 3 year/$54M deals? and then OF is Brantley, Straw and Tucker....Yuli is your 1B and maybe part time 3B, depending on what happens on Correa. I think it's too early to think about extensions for Brantley and Gurriel yet. At their ages I want to see how they do this year health-wise first. And I don't think Springer is worth more than Altuve. To me, if 5-years $125 million doesn't get him, he can move on. Go look at the numbers.........when Springer was injured, our offense suffered a lot more than it did when Altuve was out. I am not berating Altuve but Springer is worth every bit as much as him and maybe more. 5 years and $125 won't get him. We will have to pay him as much as Jose gets or we lose him. He deserves the money. I agree that it's too early to talk about extending Brantley and Yuli. |
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Post by sempersmom on Jan 24, 2020 13:59:32 GMT -6
Looks like Ausmus is in town looking for a job:
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Post by olpapa on Jan 24, 2020 14:40:01 GMT -6
Looks like Ausmus is in town looking for a job: Well he could serve two purposes. Be the new manager and help heal the hearts of those who had their hearts broken when Jake was jettisoned. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2020 14:58:48 GMT -6
Looks like Ausmus is in town looking for a job: Well he could serve two purposes. Be the new manager and help heal the hearts of those who had their hearts broken when Jake was jettisoned. ***** |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 15:27:19 GMT -6
I think it's too early to think about extensions for Brantley and Gurriel yet. At their ages I want to see how they do this year health-wise first. And I don't think Springer is worth more than Altuve. To me, if 5-years $125 million doesn't get him, he can move on. Go look at the numbers.........when Springer was injured, our offense suffered a lot more than it did when Altuve was out. I am not berating Altuve but Springer is worth every bit as much as him and maybe more. 5 years and $125 won't get him. We will have to pay him as much as Jose gets or we lose him. He deserves the money. I agree that it's too early to talk about extending Brantley and Yuli. From an overall production standpoint during their careers, their consistency, and their health and age factored in, Altuve is more valuable, more productive, and is more consistent. Springer is a very good player with some elite WS performances, but the fact is he is already 30 years old and has only played more than 140 games in a season one time. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 15:41:14 GMT -6
Well, I guess I have to agree. We can use the money that comes off the book to sign needed free agents. We need to use money we have now on trying to extend Springer. He may not accept but the effort needs to be made. We need Tucker aznd Straw to develop and for Alvarez to be competent to play defense.Are you saying that it isn't acceptable to be a single-tool player? If he is a hitter the caliber of Yordan or a superior defensive player it is acceptable. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 15:46:51 GMT -6
Go look at the numbers.........when Springer was injured, our offense suffered a lot more than it did when Altuve was out. I am not berating Altuve but Springer is worth every bit as much as him and maybe more. 5 years and $125 won't get him. We will have to pay him as much as Jose gets or we lose him. He deserves the money. I agree that it's too early to talk about extending Brantley and Yuli. From an overall production standpoint during their careers, their consistency, and their health and age factored in, Altuve is more valuable, more productive, and is more consistent. Springer is a very good player with some elite WS performances, but the fact is he is already 30 years old and has only played more than 140 games in a season one time. I am comparing what the team does when one of them is not available. When those two have been on the IL, our offense suffers more when Springer is out. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2020 15:58:06 GMT -6
From an overall production standpoint during their careers, their consistency, and their health and age factored in, Altuve is more valuable, more productive, and is more consistent. Springer is a very good player with some elite WS performances, but the fact is he is already 30 years old and has only played more than 140 games in a season one time. I am comparing what the team does when one of them is not available. When those two have been on the IL, our offense suffers more when Springer is out. What's the breakdown that you've seen? I'd like to see how they compare with that the last several years. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 16:19:37 GMT -6
I am comparing what the team does when one of them is not available. When those two have been on the IL, our offense suffers more when Springer is out. What's the breakdown that you've seen? I'd like to see how they compare with that the last several years. I don't have the numbers at hand. I am going by what I saw while watching the games. I don't think I missed any and I remember us doing better offensively with Altuve out than when George was injured. Bregman's numbers suffered the most because pitchers worked around him and he normally saw nothing to hit. Pitchers were not going to let him beat them. If Alvarez had not come up and produced as he did, we would have been in trouble. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -6
I am comparing what the team does when one of them is not available. When those two have been on the IL, our offense suffers more when Springer is out. What's the breakdown that you've seen? I'd like to see how they compare with that the last several years. He doesn't need objective proof. He has his eyes, you know, you damned whippersnapper. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2020 17:54:58 GMT -6
We could end all of this Altuve vs Springer mess by trading them both.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2020 18:06:00 GMT -6
I read the Keuchel interview, and I’m fine with everything that he said.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2020 18:08:26 GMT -6
We could end all of this Altuve vs Springer mess by trading them both. We need both. I just don' t understand why so many think that this whole team is built around Jose Altuve. He is important but he is no more important to our success than Springer or Bregman for that matter. |
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