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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2019 17:56:07 GMT -6
When some media darling whose team finishes 30 games out of first place in the division wins the MVP it is a damn joke.....Bregman led his team to the AL pennant and comes in second to a guy.........who no matter how good he is........never finishes a season and his team sucks. This is a total injustice.  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2019 17:58:44 GMT -6
When some media darling whose team finishes 30 games out of first place in the division wins the MVP it is a damn joke.....Bregman led his team to the AL pennant and comes in second to a guy.........who no matter how good he is........never finishes a season and his team sucks. This is a total injustice. Trout was the better player. This could’ve been a blessing in disguise. Let this motivate him to not only have a great 2020 but also a great postseason. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2019 18:03:52 GMT -6
When some media darling whose team finishes 30 games out of first place in the division wins the MVP it is a damn joke.....Bregman led his team to the AL pennant and comes in second to a guy.........who no matter how good he is........never finishes a season and his team sucks. This is a total injustice. Trout was the better player. This could’ve been a blessing in disguise. Let this motivate him to not only have a great 2020 but also a great postseason. Trout may be the overall better player. but,he was not the MVP of the league. I will never agree that a league MVP plays for a team that finishes 30 games out and never finishes a season healthy. |
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Post by churchill on Nov 14, 2019 18:10:16 GMT -6
Trout was the better player. This could’ve been a blessing in disguise. Let this motivate him to not only have a great 2020 but also a great postseason. Trout may be the overall better player. but,he was not the MVP of the league. I will never agree that a league MVP plays for a team that finishes 30 games out and never finishes a season healthy. Think of this way: Put Trout on the Astros and Bregman on the Angels, which team got worse and which team got better? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 14, 2019 18:49:57 GMT -6
Quit typing drunk, Corch.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2019 19:19:09 GMT -6
Trout may be the overall better player. but,he was not the MVP of the league. I will never agree that a league MVP plays for a team that finishes 30 games out and never finishes a season healthy. Think of this way: Put Trout on the Astros and Bregman on the Angels, which team got worse and which team got better? After reading “Astros”, I got excited. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2019 19:21:51 GMT -6
You can’t get too upset, guys. Both times that Ted Williams reached Triple Crown, he didn’t win the award.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2019 19:49:16 GMT -6
Quit typing drunk, Corch. I am not drunk......I am pissed off. I wonder what all the BS surrounding the Astros had to do with this....They say the voting is done prior to the playoffs but I wonder. They decided not to allow the Astros to have the ROY, Cy Young winner, and the MVP so they screwed Bregman out of the MVP and handed it to Trout, who led his team nowhere........30 games behind the Astros. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2019 19:49:59 GMT -6
You can’t get too upset, guys. Both times that Ted Williams reached Triple Crown, he didn’t win the award. Political bullsbit |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 14, 2019 21:13:04 GMT -6
Quit typing drunk, Corch. I am not drunk......I am pissed off. I wonder what all the BS surrounding the Astros had to do with this....They say the voting is done prior to the playoffs but I wonder. They decided not to allow the Astros to have the ROY, Cy Young winner, and the MVP so they screwed Bregman out of the MVP and handed it to Trout, who led his team nowhere........30 games behind the Astros. If they changed it to BOP (Best Overall Player), would you be okay with Trout beating Bregman this past season? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2019 22:04:34 GMT -6
I am not drunk......I am pissed off. I wonder what all the BS surrounding the Astros had to do with this....They say the voting is done prior to the playoffs but I wonder. They decided not to allow the Astros to have the ROY, Cy Young winner, and the MVP so they screwed Bregman out of the MVP and handed it to Trout, who led his team nowhere........30 games behind the Astros. If they changed it to BOP (Best Overall Player), would you be okay with Trout beating Bregman this past season? Probably.........MVP's are usually on winning teams, not one of the league disasters. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 2:16:03 GMT -6
If they changed it to BOP (Best Overall Player), would you be okay with Trout beating Bregman this past season? Probably.........MVP's are usually on winning teams, not one of the league disasters. Told everyone weeks ago that the Astros would not be allowed to win the hat trick of major awards. No suprise at all to me. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 15, 2019 9:12:09 GMT -6
Probably.........MVP's are usually on winning teams, not one of the league disasters. Told everyone weeks ago that the Astros would not be allowed to win the hat trick of major awards. No suprise at all to me. So, it wasn't the amazing numbers that Trout put up, it was the conspiracy against the Astros? Got it. It's getting kind of hard to keep up with all of the Woe Is Us theories around here. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 15, 2019 9:14:31 GMT -6
Told everyone weeks ago that the Astros would not be allowed to win the hat trick of major awards. No suprise at all to me. So, it wasn't the amazing numbers that Trout put up, it was the conspiracy against the Astros? Got it. It's getting kind of hard to keep up with all of the Woe Is Us theories around here. You're. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 15, 2019 10:05:16 GMT -6
So, it wasn't the amazing numbers that Trout put up, it was the conspiracy against the Astros? Got it. It's getting kind of hard to keep up with all of the Woe Is Us theories around here. You're. It's way too early to be drunk, son. Sober up and do better. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 10:23:16 GMT -6
It's way too early to be drunk, son. Sober up and do better. The writers who handed the award to Trout must have been drunk when they voted........Isn't it odd that Trout's "foot issues" always develop AFTER the Angels are out of the race? Sounds like a scheduled vacation similar to the ones Karla takes. An MVP is supposed to be guy who helps to make his team a winner. The Angels could have finished 30 games out without Trout. I think heat is right...,They were not going to let us sweep the top 3 awards so they screwed Bregman and gave the award to Trout, the darling of the media. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 15, 2019 10:52:58 GMT -6
Guys, let’s not drown in conspiracy theories and just congratulate the terrific player that is Mike Trout.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 11:35:39 GMT -6
Guys, let’s not drown in conspiracy theories and just congratulate the terrific player that is Mike Trout. If he actully deserved the award, I'd be more than happy to congratulate him. The fact that it was handed to him even though Bregman deserved it is a damn joke. As I said...and go check the timing of them.....Trout's "foot issues" always develop AFTER the Angels are out of the race.....the Correa Syndrome may be contagious. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 15, 2019 12:02:27 GMT -6
If they changed it to BOP (Best Overall Player), would you be okay with Trout beating Bregman this past season? The definition of MVP meaning it is based how the team finished is purely a fan construct and isn't based on reality. This argument has surfaced many times over the decades. It really came to the fore in 2012 when Trout was basically screwed out of the MVP. Yeah, that's right. Even some Tigers fans could see that overall, Trout was the superior player in 2012. Triple Crown, blah, blah, blah. lol |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 15, 2019 12:06:19 GMT -6
Guys, let’s not drown in conspiracy theories and just congratulate the terrific player that is Mike Trout. If he actully deserved the award, I'd be more than happy to congratulate him. The fact that it was handed to him even though Bregman deserved it is a damn joke. As I said... and go check the timing of them.....Trout's "foot issues" always develop AFTER the Angels are out of the race.....the Correa Syndrome may be contagious. , I nominate you for the Prescient Award.  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 15, 2019 12:30:53 GMT -6
It's way too early to be drunk, son. Sober up and do better. I am embracing my madlibitis |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 12:55:44 GMT -6
I seldom agree with Mad Dog Russo, but, today he stated nearly all of the reasons why Trout should NOT have been the MVP. Of course, he didn't think Bregman should have won it, either. He went into a long rant about why DJ Lemahiew should have gotten it....since Russo keeps his nose up Yankee butts, that is no surprise. But, he was right about why Trout did not deserve the award.
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Post by Saint on Nov 15, 2019 14:35:45 GMT -6
Just like the CY, I think you make the right choice either way. There were reasons to favor either player depending on how you treat the award and the various stats/metrics. I believe Bregman was the most deserving since their numbers ended up so similar and Bregman actually stayed on the field quite a bit more, but I'm not upset by Trout winning it either. The guy was by far the best player in the AL for the majority of the season.
Bregs was an AS, won a SS, and helped us get another pennant. It was a good year for him and he has plenty more time to get himself an MVP or two during his career.
(Honestly if Springer hadn't gotten hurt, he likely would have been more deserving than Bregman.)
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 14:55:34 GMT -6
Just like the CY, I think you make the right choice either way. There were reasons to favor either player depending on how you treat the award and the various stats/metrics. I believe Bregman was the most deserving since their numbers ended up so similar and Bregman actually stayed on the field quite a bit more, but I'm not upset by Trout winning it either. The guy was by far the best player in the AL for the majority of the season. Bregs was an AS, won a SS, and helped us get another pennant. It was a good year for him and he has plenty more time to get himself an MVP or two during his career. (Honestly if Springer hadn't gotten hurt, he likely would have been more deserving than Bregman.) While Trout may be the best player in the league, he was not the MVP for the reasons I have mentioned more than once. He didn't lead his team to anything.........MVP's do that. I agree with you that an injury may have kept George from winning it. I can't past the fact that Trout's issues always show up after the Angels are out of the race. It is like he is saying he isn't going to keep busting his ass when the team is going nowhere. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 15, 2019 15:04:41 GMT -6
He didn't lead his team to anything.........MVP's do that. Dear Voter:There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 15:19:01 GMT -6
He didn't lead his team to anything.........MVP's do that. Dear Voter:There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier. I read and heard all that bullshit they used to justify giving the award to a guy who may be the best player but not the most valuable player. What did Trout's numbers contribute to the Angels success? NOTHING......they had no success so his numbers didn't mean squat to his team.They only padded his personal numbers. Bregman's numbers helped lead the Astros to the AL title.......Trout led his team to a finish 30 games behind the Astros. He went on vacation when it became evident the Angels were out of playoff contention. As Mad Dog Russo said, it is ridiculous to give a guy the MVP who didn't play after Labor Day. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 15, 2019 15:28:47 GMT -6
Just like the CY, I think you make the right choice either way. There were reasons to favor either player depending on how you treat the award and the various stats/metrics. I believe Bregman was the most deserving since their numbers ended up so similar and Bregman actually stayed on the field quite a bit more, but I'm not upset by Trout winning it either. The guy was by far the best player in the AL for the majority of the season. Bregs was an AS, won a SS, and helped us get another pennant. It was a good year for him and he has plenty more time to get himself an MVP or two during his career. (Honestly if Springer hadn't gotten hurt, he likely would have been more deserving than Bregman.) While Trout may be the best player in the league, he was not the MVP for the reasons I have mentioned more than once. He didn't lead his team to anything.........MVP's do that. I agree with you that an injury may have kept George from winning it. I can't past the fact that Trout's issues always show up after the Angels are out of the race. It is like he is saying he isn't going to keep busting his ass when the team is going nowhere. I don't entirely disagree, but, if you look at how much he means to that franchise and how much he is worth, you don't want to the risk of making an injury even worse. Turn it to the Astros and Bregman. If we were paying Bregman $30 million+ a year and we were completely out of the hunt, would you want to risk losing him to a worsening health issue for the following season? (Or delaying his preparation for the next season because you waited on getting a procedure done?) edit: It's essentially the same as pulling your starters out of a game during a blowout. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 15:34:09 GMT -6
While Trout may be the best player in the league, he was not the MVP for the reasons I have mentioned more than once. He didn't lead his team to anything.........MVP's do that. I agree with you that an injury may have kept George from winning it. I can't past the fact that Trout's issues always show up after the Angels are out of the race. It is like he is saying he isn't going to keep busting his ass when the team is going nowhere. I don't entirely disagree, but, if you look at how much he means to that franchise and how much he is worth, you don't want to the risk of making an injury even worse. Turn it to the Astros and Bregman. If we were paying Bregman $30 million+ a year and we were completely out of the hunt, would you want to risk losing him to a worsening health issue for the following season? (Or delaying his preparation for the next season because you waited on getting a procedure done?) edit: It's essentially the same as pulling your starters out of a game during a blowout. Monetarily, there is no doubt of Trout's value to the Angels. I am sure he sells a lot of tickets and merchandise for them. But, having him on the roster has not produced wins. To me, an MVP leads his team to wins which makes them successful......The Angels won 72 games....the Astros won 107. Now, I want the writers who voted for Trout to explain why he was more valuable than Bregman.......they can't.....it is political bullshit. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 15, 2019 15:51:30 GMT -6
I read and heard all that bullshit they used to justify giving the award to a guy who may be the best player but not the most valuable player. What did Trout's numbers contribute to the Angels success? NOTHING......they had no success so his numbers didn't mean squat to his team.They only padded his personal numbers. Bregman's numbers helped lead the Astros to the AL title.......Trout led his team to a finish 30 games behind the Astros. He went on vacation when it became evident the Angels were out of playoff contention. As Mad Dog Russo said, it is ridiculous to give a guy the MVP who didn't play after Labor Day. He's now the authority? Okay, if you insist... He went into a long rant about why DJ Lemahiew should have gotten it.... Right. So DJ LeMahieu deserves the MVP. Trout and Bregman should step aside.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 15, 2019 16:13:30 GMT -6
I read and heard all that bullshit they used to justify giving the award to a guy who may be the best player but not the most valuable player. What did Trout's numbers contribute to the Angels success? NOTHING......they had no success so his numbers didn't mean squat to his team.They only padded his personal numbers. Bregman's numbers helped lead the Astros to the AL title.......Trout led his team to a finish 30 games behind the Astros. He went on vacation when it became evident the Angels were out of playoff contention. As Mad Dog Russo said, it is ridiculous to give a guy the MVP who didn't play after Labor Day. He's now the authority? Okay, if you insist... He went into a long rant about why DJ Lemahiew should have gotten it.... Right. So DJ LeMahieu deserves the MVP. Trout and Bregman should step aside. Russo is certainly no authority. I usually disagree with him. He is partly right.......Trout did not deserve the award. He is WRONG in saying LeMahieu should have gotten it. I will always believe Bregman was screwed out of the award because they were not going to let the Astros have the MVP, ROY, and Cy Young winners in the same year. It is bullshit. |
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