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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2019 10:56:20 GMT -6
So Ted Simmons deservedly so was voted in by the Veteran's Committee.
1st time ballot players for this year (that have a chance ever):
Derek Jeter
Bobby Abreu
Todd Helton
Jeter will get in 1st ballot. I'm also really hoping this is the year Schilling gets in. I'd also like to see Rolen and Wagner build up some momentum, and I always liked Kent. I think it's a shame that the HR leader for 2B all-time is not in the HoF.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2019 11:36:43 GMT -6
It's time for Bonds and Clemens to be enshrined.
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2019 11:52:58 GMT -6
I agree but I don't think it happens yet.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2019 13:24:37 GMT -6
Pete Rose, too.
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2019 13:25:24 GMT -6
It will never happen.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2019 13:46:47 GMT -6
It's time for Bonds and Clemens to be enshrined. Your childhood friend as well, Shoeless Joe Jackson |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2019 13:48:19 GMT -6
It's time for Bonds and Clemens to be enshrined. Your childhood friend as well, Shoeless Joe Jackson Pete Rose I get but the Shoeless Joe omission never made sense. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 21, 2019 10:02:00 GMT -6
MLB rule 21 (d):
(1) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform, shall be declared
ineligible for one year.
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
(3) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee who places bets with illegal book makers,
or agents for illegal book makers, shall be subject to such penalty as the Commissioner deems
appropriate in light of the facts and circumstances of the conduct. Any player, umpire, or Club or League
official or employee who operates or works for an illegal bookmaking business shall be subject to a
minimum of a one-year suspension by the Commissioner. For purposes of this provision, an illegal
bookmaker is an individual who accepts, places or handles wagers on sporting events from members of
the public as part of a gaming operation that is unlawful in the jurisdiction in which the bets are
accepted.
This rule was put in place in 1927. A copy of it is in every MLB locker room. Players are required to sign agreements to abide by these rules. Rose knew the rules, knew the possible consequences of his actions and yet repeatedly violated the rules. Certainly his accomplishments on the field are no-doubt hall-of-fame worthy, but he's never getting in unless they amend this rule. In short, Rose is an asshole who thought he was bigger than the game. I have no sympathy for him. If Rose is allowed to enter the HOF then any player in the future can bet on/throw a ballgame without consequence because Rose was allowed to get away with it. It could be the end of the game as we know it.
Joe Jackson is another matter entirely. Even the guys who cheated said he had no part in it.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 21, 2019 11:22:11 GMT -6
MLB rule 21 (d): (1) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform, shall be declared
ineligible for one year.
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
(3) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee who places bets with illegal book makers,
or agents for illegal book makers, shall be subject to such penalty as the Commissioner deems
appropriate in light of the facts and circumstances of the conduct. Any player, umpire, or Club or League
official or employee who operates or works for an illegal bookmaking business shall be subject to a
minimum of a one-year suspension by the Commissioner. For purposes of this provision, an illegal
bookmaker is an individual who accepts, places or handles wagers on sporting events from members of
the public as part of a gaming operation that is unlawful in the jurisdiction in which the bets are
accepted.
This rule was put in place in 1927. A copy of it is in every MLB locker room. Players are required to sign agreements to abide by these rules. Rose knew the rules, knew the possible consequences of his actions and yet repeatedly violated the rules. Certainly his accomplishments on the field are no-doubt hall-of-fame worthy, but he's never getting in unless they amend this rule. In short, Rose is an asshole who thought he was bigger than the game. I have no sympathy for him. If Rose is allowed to enter the HOF then any player in the future can bet on/throw a ballgame without consequence because Rose was allowed to get away with it. It could be the end of the game as we know it. Joe Jackson is another matter entirely. Even the guys who cheated said he had no part in it. I am glad he got to play again in the Field of Dreams |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 21, 2019 12:19:04 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 21, 2019 15:22:09 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 21, 2019 20:31:07 GMT -6
SCREW PETE ROSE
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 21, 2019 21:46:20 GMT -6
Settle the feck down, you senile old coot. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 21, 2019 22:11:10 GMT -6
Settle the feck down, you senile old coot. Pete should be in the Hall. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 21, 2019 22:22:17 GMT -6
So what's your take on Charlie Hustle in the HoF? He didn't bet on baseball? Betting on baseball shouldn't keep a player out of the HoF? It's okay because he bet on his own team? Other? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 21, 2019 23:19:20 GMT -6
So what's your take on Charlie Hustle in the HoF? He didn't bet on baseball? Betting on baseball shouldn't keep a player out of the HoF? It's okay because he bet on his own team? Other? He was one of the best hitters to ever play the game, and there is no evidence (that I've seen) that he bet on games while he was playing. He should 100% be enshrined as a player. I don't care what he did as a manager or coach. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 22, 2019 9:20:37 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 22, 2019 23:22:53 GMT -6
If the Astros are found guilty of intentionally placing a camera in CF, spying on the catcher's mitt, sending that info to a monitor, and then signaling the batter with some type of alert, and presuming that Altuve is found to have actively participated, do you guys think it should prevent Altuve from going into the HOF?
There are a lot of talking heads who say this Astros cheating is far worse than Rose's betting.
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Post by talshill on Dec 23, 2019 7:17:44 GMT -6
If the Astros are found guilty of intentionally placing a camera in CF, spying on the catcher's mitt, sending that info to a monitor, and then signaling the batter with some type of alert, and presuming that Altuve is found to have actively participated, do you guys think it should prevent Altuve from going into the HOF? There are a lot of talking heads who say this Astros cheating is far worse than Rose's betting. Truthfully, I don't care what they do with the HOF. I wouldn't gripe even if they let Rose in; certainly his performance warrants it. My only point was that there is no reason to have supposed "inviolable" rules if you're going to bend them when you want (Congress, anyone?). As for the Astros, I'll have to wait and see who did what and when before I formulate an opinion on what should happen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 23, 2019 8:25:19 GMT -6
There are a lot of talking heads who say this Astros cheating is far worse than Rose's betting. Those people are morons. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 23, 2019 9:20:21 GMT -6
While I don't support cheating, if the HoF limited their selections to only completely moral players, there would be a lot less people in it.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 23, 2019 13:44:25 GMT -6
While I don't support cheating, if the HoF limited their selections to only completely moral players, there would be a lot less people in it. A lot less. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 23, 2019 14:47:27 GMT -6
If the Astros are found guilty of intentionally placing a camera in CF, spying on the catcher's mitt, sending that info to a monitor, and then signaling the batter with some type of alert, and presuming that Altuve is found to have actively participated, do you guys think it should prevent Altuve from going into the HOF? There are a lot of talking heads who say this Astros cheating is far worse than Rose's betting. Heck no. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 21, 2020 17:46:52 GMT -6
Only Walker and Jeter.
And lol @ Jeter. One voter didn't vote for him so he didn't get unanimous. That'll piss off Yankee fans.
Looks like Schilling gets in next year.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 22, 2020 10:26:25 GMT -6
Only Walker and Jeter. And lol @ Jeter. One voter didn't vote for him so he didn't get unanimous. That'll piss off Yankee fans. Looks like Schilling gets in next year. I hate the Yankees, but Jeter should have been unanimous. |
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Post by sempersmom on Jan 22, 2020 10:34:15 GMT -6
Only Walker and Jeter. And lol @ Jeter. One voter didn't vote for him so he didn't get unanimous. That'll piss off Yankee fans. Looks like Schilling gets in next year. I hate the Yankees, but Jeter should have been unanimous. If Jeter didn't play for the Yankees, he would not have been a first ballot inductee. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 22, 2020 10:57:09 GMT -6
Only Walker and Jeter. And lol @ Jeter. One voter didn't vote for him so he didn't get unanimous. That'll piss off Yankee fans. Looks like Schilling gets in next year. I hate the Yankees, but Jeter should have been unanimous. I disagree. While a sure HoFer, his numbers compare very similarly to our Craig Biggio. Biggio:65 WAR 112 OPS+ 3060 Hits 291 HR 414 SB 1818 Runs 1175 RBI 668 Doubles
Jeter:72 WAR 116 OPS+ 3465 Hits 260 HR 358 SB 1923 Runs 1311 RBI 544 Doubles I'd say Jeter WAS a slightly better overall player than Biggio, but Biggio was an AS at two different positions and played three different positions in his career (so it virtually cancels out. No way Jeter could of caught.). Biggio also had more HR, SB, and Doubles. Yet, it took Biggio three tries and he only got 82% when he did get in. Was Jeter so much better that he deserved 99% on his 1st try? So I guess you could say Jeter should have been unanimous. But you'd have to say Biggio should have pretty darn close too. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 22, 2020 11:44:27 GMT -6
I hate the Yankees, but Jeter should have been unanimous. If Jeter didn't play for the Yankees, he would not have been a first ballot inductee. Hater |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 22, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -6
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Post by sempersmom on Jan 22, 2020 11:53:02 GMT -6
If Jeter didn't play for the Yankees, he would not have been a first ballot inductee. Hater You know it. |
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