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Post by Saint on Aug 31, 2020 14:13:04 GMT -6
It doesn't appear that we got anybody. Corch is gonig to be pissed at them sitting on their hands!
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Post by Saint on Aug 31, 2020 14:13:55 GMT -6
Chirinos to the Mets. Boy did we dodge a bullet there. He's been absolutely terrible this year.
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Post by m240 on Aug 31, 2020 16:06:27 GMT -6
What is the word on urquidi
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 31, 2020 16:08:03 GMT -6
It doesn't appear that we got anybody. Corch is gonig to be pissed at them sitting on their hands! No, i am fine with it. I don't know who we could have gotten that would have helped us that much without giving up somebody we need to get them. I would not weaken one area to fortify another. What we needed was a solid reliever or starter and we don't have anything to trade for either. Our best hope is getting Verlander, Peacock, and Bregman back. I didn't know the Rangers were shopping Chirinos although he has sucked this year....Maybe being in Houston was good for him. Minor has been a flop this season. I didn't want Minor. The only pitcher the Rangers have that I like is Lance Lynn and we weren't going to get him. I wanted to keep Chirinos when we had him. Instead, we let him walk and wasted money on a dud like Garneau. I wish I knew what Dusty had against using Stubbs to back up Maldonado. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 31, 2020 18:23:36 GMT -6
It doesn't appear that we got anybody. Corch is gonig to be pissed at them sitting on their hands! No, i am fine with it. I don't know who we could have gotten that would have helped us that much without giving up somebody we need to get them. I would not weaken one area to fortify another. What we needed was a solid reliever or starter and we don't have anything to trade for either. Our best hope is getting Verlander, Peacock, and Bregman back. I didn't know the Rangers were shopping Chirinos although he has sucked this year....Maybe being in Houston was good for him. Minor has been a flop this season. I didn't want Minor. The only pitcher the Rangers have that I like is Lance Lynn and we weren't going to get him. I wanted to keep Chirinos when we had him. Instead, we let him walk and wasted money on a dud like Garneau. I wish I knew what Dusty had against using Stubbs to back up Maldonado. Bradley or another good reliever would have been the only thing to go after. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 31, 2020 19:19:06 GMT -6
Oh my. That's a different look...
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 31, 2020 21:49:47 GMT -6
Chirinos to the Mets. Boy did we dodge a bullet there. He's been absolutely terrible this year. Because he relies on the cheating |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 31, 2020 22:55:18 GMT -6
No, i am fine with it. I don't know who we could have gotten that would have helped us that much without giving up somebody we need to get them. I would not weaken one area to fortify another. What we needed was a solid reliever or starter and we don't have anything to trade for either. Our best hope is getting Verlander, Peacock, and Bregman back. I didn't know the Rangers were shopping Chirinos although he has sucked this year....Maybe being in Houston was good for him. Minor has been a flop this season. I didn't want Minor. The only pitcher the Rangers have that I like is Lance Lynn and we weren't going to get him. I wanted to keep Chirinos when we had him. Instead, we let him walk and wasted money on a dud like Garneau. I wish I knew what Dusty had against using Stubbs to back up Maldonado. Bradley or another good reliever would have been the only thing to go after. I agree. Luckily for us, Paredes, Scrubb, and Taylor have come through better than expected. I haven't seen any updates on Verlander, Peacock, Urquidy, or Bregman. If we get Verlander and Urquidy, our pitching jumps up a level. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 31, 2020 22:56:17 GMT -6
Chirinos to the Mets. Boy did we dodge a bullet there. He's been absolutely terrible this year. Because he relies on the cheating Are you still of the opinion that everybody cheated except Altuve? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 31, 2020 23:05:20 GMT -6
Because he relies on the cheating Are you still of the opinion that everybody cheated except Altuve? I didn't say Altuve didn't cheat. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 7:33:15 GMT -6
Chirinos to the Mets. Boy did we dodge a bullet there. He's been absolutely terrible this year. Because he relies on the cheating You think they cheated in 2019? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -6
Are you still of the opinion that everybody cheated except Altuve? I didn't say Altuve didn't cheat. If numbers being put up now are being used to decide who cheated and who didn't, Altuve benefitted the most from the sign stealing. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 1, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -6
I didn't say Altuve didn't cheat. If numbers being put up now are being used to decide who cheated and who didn't, Altuve benefitted the most from the sign stealing. That assumes he benefitted last season as well since he had a much better season. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 1, 2020 12:59:49 GMT -6
If numbers being put up now are being used to decide who cheated and who didn't, Altuve benefitted the most from the sign stealing. That assumes he benefitted last season as well since he had a much better season. Some people put the ass in assumption |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 14:01:00 GMT -6
That assumes he benefitted last season as well since he had a much better season. Some people put the ass in assumption I am not saying he cheated. i am saying the numbers he has put up this season leaves room to think he did. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 14:08:02 GMT -6
Some people put the ass in assumption I am not saying he cheated. i am saying the numbers he has put up this season leaves room to think he did. Only if you ignore last year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 14:29:44 GMT -6
I am not saying he cheated. i am saying the numbers he has put up this season leaves room to think he did. Only if you ignore last year. There has to be a reason as to why he has sucked this season. He looks clueless most of the time. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 14:40:12 GMT -6
Only if you ignore last year. There has to be a reason as to why he has sucked this season. He looks clueless most of the time. As frustrating as Altuve has been, there are a lot of elite players having horrendous seasons. It's a year like no other in recent memory, and some of these guys are showing the effects. Some key players: Gleyber Torres: 79 OPS+ JD Martinez: 80 OPS+ Gary Sanchez: 61 OPS+ Brett Gardner: 77 OPS+ Ozzie Albies: 23 OPS+ Wilson Ramos: 78 OPS+ Javier Baez: 64 OPS+ Mike Moustakas: 78 OPS+ Justin Upton: 42 OPS+ And that was just a quick glance at about a third of the teams. Edit: And a reminder that an average OPS+ is 100. So Torres has an OPS+ approximately 21% below league average. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 1, 2020 14:58:42 GMT -6
Because he relies on the cheating You think they cheated in 2019? Lets just say it wouldn't surprise me. If they'll cheat in 2017 and 2018, they'll cheat in 2019 too. And too many of them have seen a huge drop in productivity since the cheating was discovered and stopped. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 1, 2020 15:00:29 GMT -6
I am not saying he cheated. i am saying the numbers he has put up this season leaves room to think he did. Only if you ignore last year. Why do you assume they didn't cheat last year? Because they said so? |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 15:08:44 GMT -6
Only if you ignore last year. Why do you assume they didn't cheat last year? Because they said so? If we're going to assume anybody cheated with no proof or nothing reported, we should just consider every athlete/sport/team full of cheaters. And if that's the case, what's the point of watching anything? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 15:12:46 GMT -6
There has to be a reason as to why he has sucked this season. He looks clueless most of the time. As frustrating as Altuve has been, there are a lot of elite players having horrendous seasons. It's a year like no other in recent memory, and some of these guys are showing the effects. Some key players: Gleyber Torres: 79 OPS+ JD Martinez: 80 OPS+ Gary Sanchez: 61 OPS+ Brett Gardner: 77 OPS+ Ozzie Albies: 23 OPS+ Wilson Ramos: 78 OPS+ Javier Baez: 64 OPS+ Mike Moustakas: 78 OPS+ Justin Upton: 42 OPS+ And that was just a quick glance at about a third of the teams. Edit: And a reminder that an average OPS+ is 100. So Torres has an OPS+ approximately 21% below league average. None of those guys have ever hit for a high average on a consistent basis. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 15:14:30 GMT -6
Why do you assume they didn't cheat last year? Because they said so? If we're going to assume anybody cheated with no proof or nothing reported, we should just consider every athlete/sport/team full of cheaters. And if that's the case, what's the point of watching anything? Nobody will ever convince me the Astros were the only team cheating. We are being used as an example. The Yankees or Dodgers would have either gotten away with it or received lesser penalties. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 15:26:53 GMT -6
You think they cheated in 2019? Lets just say it wouldn't surprise me. If they'll cheat in 2017 and 2018, they'll cheat in 2019 too. And too many of them have seen a huge drop in productivity since the cheating was discovered and stopped. Actually, outside of Jose, there hasn't really been that big of a drop in productivity. Some are actually having better years, some are consistent, and some worse than 2019 but not bad seasons. Gurriel: 128 OPS+ Bregman: 132 OPS+ Reddick: 114 OPS+ Brantley: 118 OPS+ Maldonado: 115 OPS+ Correa: 109 OPS+ Springer: 102 OPS+ - Bad for him, but he's so wildly inconsistent that he could have an OPS+ double that next week. I know people don't like to hear this kind of stuff, but part of Altuve's season is because he is having very very bad luck on balls he has hit in play. His BAbip is only .245 this year. Compared to a .335 for his career. Over the course of a normal season, that number would almost for sure balance out some. Maybe not necessarily his average season, but back up closer. It tells us that he is both hitting the ball too hard to beat out his normal amount of infield singles, but also not hitting it hard enough to get it through gaps into the OF. He is also having the 2nd worst season of his career in both groundball rates and Strikeouts to walks (but his strikeout rate is the best of his career). Lots of groundballs hit right at people. If he maintains the good strikeout rate and can start lifting the ball a little better, he should be absolutely fine. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 1, 2020 15:26:59 GMT -6
Why do you assume they didn't cheat last year? Because they said so? If we're going to assume anybody cheated with no proof or nothing reported, we should just consider every athlete/sport/team full of cheaters. And if that's the case, what's the point of watching anything? The difference is that the Astros aren't assumed to have cheated...they're admitted cheaters. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 15:27:30 GMT -6
As frustrating as Altuve has been, there are a lot of elite players having horrendous seasons. It's a year like no other in recent memory, and some of these guys are showing the effects. Some key players: Gleyber Torres: 79 OPS+ JD Martinez: 80 OPS+ Gary Sanchez: 61 OPS+ Brett Gardner: 77 OPS+ Ozzie Albies: 23 OPS+ Wilson Ramos: 78 OPS+ Javier Baez: 64 OPS+ Mike Moustakas: 78 OPS+ Justin Upton: 42 OPS+ And that was just a quick glance at about a third of the teams. Edit: And a reminder that an average OPS+ is 100. So Torres has an OPS+ approximately 21% below league average. None of those guys have ever hit for a high average on a consistent basis. A. Some of them have. B. They're all players who consistently are very productive offensively. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 15:38:41 GMT -6
If we're going to assume anybody cheated with no proof or nothing reported, we should just consider every athlete/sport/team full of cheaters. And if that's the case, what's the point of watching anything? Nobody will ever convince me the Astros were the only team cheating. We are being used as an example. The Yankees or Dodgers would have either gotten away with it or received lesser penalties. While I don't disagree, using that as justification is just a defense mechanism to make you feel better about rooting for them still. (Most Astros fans are doing it.) |
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Post by Saint on Sept 1, 2020 15:39:26 GMT -6
If we're going to assume anybody cheated with no proof or nothing reported, we should just consider every athlete/sport/team full of cheaters. And if that's the case, what's the point of watching anything? The difference is that the Astros aren't assumed to have cheated...they're admitted cheaters. I typed up a nice logical response but then my computer killed my internet for a second and lost it. So I forfeit this discussion out of laziness. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 1, 2020 15:40:33 GMT -6
The difference is that the Astros aren't assumed to have cheated...they're admitted cheaters. I typed up a nice logical response but then my computer killed my internet for a second and lost it. So I forfeit this discussion out of laziness. Save your work. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 1, 2020 15:56:12 GMT -6
None of those guys have ever hit for a high average on a consistent basis. A. Some of them have. B. They're all players who consistently are very productive offensively. You can be productive offensively without having a high batting average. My point was that none of them consistently hit for the average Altuve has. |
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