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Post by bannedfan on May 6, 2018 13:54:30 GMT -6
He would have finished it fine. He only needed one out. Why not bring Rondon back out to start the 9th. He was working on 3 days rest and only threw 7 pitches to retire the Dbacks in order in the 8th. His career numbers against the first three Dbacks batters in the 9th inning are good. This was yet another example of a pitcher who pitched effectively in the 8th inning...his only inning pitched...being replaced unnecessarily to start the 9th and having his replacement(s) be off that day resulting in a loss for the team. The script says.....bring in another reliever. |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 6, 2018 13:57:56 GMT -6
Why not bring Rondon back out to start the 9th. He was working on 3 days rest and only threw 7 pitches to retire the Dbacks in order in the 8th. His career numbers against the first three Dbacks batters in the 9th inning are good. This was yet another example of a pitcher who pitched effectively in the 8th inning...his only inning pitched...being replaced unnecessarily to start the 9th and having his replacement(s) be off that day resulting in a loss for the team. The script says.....bring in another reliever. I mentioned at the time that I'd lean towards leaving Rondon in. Maybe he would have given up a walk off HR to the first batter... we'll never know. But I'd have left him in until he either hit the 25 pitch mark or allowed a runner. |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 6, 2018 13:59:27 GMT -6
Devo was already at 27 pitches when he was pulled so I can see how Hinch doubted his ability to throw effective pitches to the next hitter. I'd have let Rondon throw around 15-20 pitches in the 9th and if there still weren't 3 outs, go to Devo.
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Post by bannedfan on May 6, 2018 14:00:56 GMT -6
The script says.....bring in another reliever. I mentioned at the time that I'd lean towards leaving Rondon in. Maybe he would have given up a walk off HR to the first batter... we'll never know. But I'd have left him in until he either hit the 25 pitch mark or allowed a runner. I have a feeling either Harris or Giles comes in today to help secure the win. |
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Post by olpapa on May 6, 2018 14:06:29 GMT -6
I mentioned at the time that I'd lean towards leaving Rondon in. Maybe he would have given up a walk off HR to the first batter... we'll never know. But I'd have left him in until he either hit the 25 pitch mark or allowed a runner. I have a feeling either Harris or Giles comes in today to help secure the win. We better have a big lead. |
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Post by Saint on May 6, 2018 14:06:30 GMT -6
He would have finished it fine. He only needed one out. Why not bring Rondon back out to start the 9th. He was working on 3 days rest and only threw 7 pitches to retire the Dbacks in order in the 8th. His career numbers against the first three Dbacks batters in the 9th inning are good. This was yet another example of a pitcher who pitched effectively in the 8th inning...his only inning pitched...being replaced unnecessarily to start the 9th and having his replacement(s) be off that day resulting in a loss for the team. I'd have been fine with that too. |
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Post by Saint on May 6, 2018 14:07:17 GMT -6
Why not bring Rondon back out to start the 9th. He was working on 3 days rest and only threw 7 pitches to retire the Dbacks in order in the 8th. His career numbers against the first three Dbacks batters in the 9th inning are good. This was yet another example of a pitcher who pitched effectively in the 8th inning...his only inning pitched...being replaced unnecessarily to start the 9th and having his replacement(s) be off that day resulting in a loss for the team. The script says.....bring in another reliever. Scripts are fine for some things. |
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Post by olpapa on May 6, 2018 14:21:13 GMT -6
Why not bring Rondon back out to start the 9th. He was working on 3 days rest and only threw 7 pitches to retire the Dbacks in order in the 8th. His career numbers against the first three Dbacks batters in the 9th inning are good. This was yet another example of a pitcher who pitched effectively in the 8th inning...his only inning pitched...being replaced unnecessarily to start the 9th and having his replacement(s) be off that day resulting in a loss for the team. k’ I'd have been fine with that too. The Astros FO and manager like to be out front leading the way in changing how things are done in mlb. I would like to see them lead the way in eliminating the “closer” role as it has come to be recognized in the game today. Two and even three inning “saves” were not at all uncommon in years past. This from Baseball Reference: “ Another way to illustrate how the usage of top relievers has changed over the past four decades is to compare Hall of Fame reliever Rollie Fingers, who pitched in the 1970s and early 1980s, and Trevor Hoffman, who retired after the 2010 season and is second on the all-time list, have been used. Of Fingers' 341 career saves, 135 entailed pitching two or more innings, including 36 of three or more innings. In contrast, at the end of the 2006 season, Hoffman had 482 career saves, but only 7 of two or more innings, and none of three or more. Fingers obtained 101 of his saves when he entered the game with either the winning or tying run already on base; for Hoffman, only 36 of his saves had come in such situations. There has been a lot of criticism of how the emergence of the save as the master statistic in evaluating contemporary relief pitchers has affected usage. Modern closers often pitch no more than about 70 innings a season, and in most of the games in which they pitch, their teams are already in the lead. Teams rely increasingly on a group of often unheralded middle relief specialists to hold the lead until the closer enters the game. The save thus measures only one task asked of relievers. Other jobs, such as keeping a team in the game, getting out of a jam, and pitching in extra innings, are not covered by official statistics. This is why sabermetricians have devised a number of other measurements for relievers that seek to indicate which pitchers have been most successful in relief, whether or not they post gaudy save totals.” We have an 8 man bullpen. There is no reason whatsoever that we could not have several relief pitchers who routinely pitch the final 2 or even three innings of a game. There is no reason whatsoever that a pitcher who has just pitched an effective 8th inning should be replaced to start the 9th inning just because that's the way managers have always done it. That ISN’T the way managers have always done it. |
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Post by Saint on May 6, 2018 14:31:19 GMT -6
Yeah I feel like relievers can do a little more per appearance and maybe not pitch quite as often.
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Post by olpapa on May 6, 2018 14:37:40 GMT -6
Yeah I feel like relievers can do a little more per appearance and maybe not pitch quite as often. Precisely. |
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Post by Saint on May 6, 2018 14:44:55 GMT -6
Yeah I feel like relievers can do a little more per appearance and maybe not pitch quite as often. Precisely. I remember reading an article about how coaches/teams are slowing making arms weaker and weaker by pushing them less and less. Less long toss, less pitches, etc. |
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Post by olpapa on May 6, 2018 15:05:37 GMT -6
I remember reading an article about how coaches/teams are slowing making arms weaker and weaker by pushing them less and less. Less long toss, less pitches, etc. I think I have read that same article or a similar one. I have listened to Nolan and Oswalt talk about the way pitchers are being handled/coddled nowadays. Neither of those guys agree with the way things are being done now. |
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Post by Saint on May 6, 2018 15:13:23 GMT -6
I remember reading an article about how coaches/teams are slowing making arms weaker and weaker by pushing them less and less. Less long toss, less pitches, etc. I think I have read that same article or a similar one. I have listened to Nolan and Oswalt talk about the way pitchers are being handled/coddled nowadays. Neither of those guys agree with the way things are being done now. Look no further than Verlander to see how things should be. |
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Post by olpapa on May 6, 2018 15:27:35 GMT -6
I think I have read that same article or a similar one. I have listened to Nolan and Oswalt talk about the way pitchers are being handled/coddled nowadays. Neither of those guys agree with the way things are being done now. Look no further than Verlander to see how things should be. Absolutely. |
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Post by m240 on May 6, 2018 15:34:24 GMT -6
I see the amazing lack of offense on the part of the Astros continues. 35 games in, it does not seem like the passing fancy as it did.
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Post by m240 on May 6, 2018 15:35:30 GMT -6
Verlander looked solid with that guy, time to bring in a reliever next inning.  |
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Post by m240 on May 6, 2018 15:39:52 GMT -6
Rule #1 in baseball never make the first or last out of an inning at third
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 6, 2018 15:47:07 GMT -6
You’re posting on the wrong thread. 🤣😂🤣
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Post by unionstation82 on May 6, 2018 19:44:36 GMT -6
Devo is the guy who loaded the bases before Peacock gave up the hit.....blame Devo for the walks that cost us the game. He would have finished it fine. He only needed one out. Yeah, then turn it back over to the juggernaut offense. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 6, 2018 22:18:23 GMT -6
Harris came in and did exactly what I expected of him.........put runners on base and allow a run. Rondon should have been left in the game.........Hinch needs to shove his "script".
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Post by koolade2 on May 7, 2018 4:29:05 GMT -6
Whataburger is the best. Mayo and cheese only. I don't understand why there aren't any Whataburgers up North. Who the hell puts Mayo on a Hamburger. Then again Putting a slice of Cheese on it makes it a sandwich instead of a Burger anyway. Med Rare with a slice of raw onion and Mustard. Then again I didn't think it was any different than every other Fast Food Joint except Mikey Dee's which is the worse of the Bunch. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 7, 2018 6:46:00 GMT -6
Whataburger is the best. Mayo and cheese only. I don't understand why there aren't any Whataburgers up North. Who the hell puts Mayo on a Hamburger. Then again Putting a slice of Cheese on it makes it a sandwich instead of a Burger anyway. Med Rare with a slice of raw onion and Mustard. Then again I didn't think it was any different than every other Fast Food Joint except Mikey Dee's which is the worse of the Bunch. No cheese? That patty better be like ground filet. |
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