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Post by Saint on Mar 30, 2021 7:56:17 GMT -6
Hell no, would offer any player this deal.....Heck, I wouldn't offer the 10 year deal that Lindor turned down... Copied from Rotoword - Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that Francisco Lindor's camp is seeking a 12-year, $385 million contract extension from the Mets. DiComo and others also noted that the previously reported 10-year, $325 million offer from the Mets was their "best and final" offer. It's a pretty big gap to overcome if the two sides draw lines in the sand. But, of course, it just takes one phone call for them to agree to meet somewhere in the middle. Lindor has set an Opening Day deadline for contract extension negotiations, so this is going to have a resolution one way or another soon. I don't quiet get the hype with Lindor. Great player for sure, but I'm not giving someone with a 117 OPS+ $300 million. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 30, 2021 7:56:59 GMT -6
Hell no, would offer any player this deal.....Heck, I wouldn't offer the 10 year deal that Lindor turned down... Copied from Rotoword - Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that Francisco Lindor's camp is seeking a 12-year, $385 million contract extension from the Mets. DiComo and others also noted that the previously reported 10-year, $325 million offer from the Mets was their "best and final" offer. It's a pretty big gap to overcome if the two sides draw lines in the sand. But, of course, it just takes one phone call for them to agree to meet somewhere in the middle. Lindor has set an Opening Day deadline for contract extension negotiations, so this is going to have a resolution one way or another soon. I don't quiet get the hype with Lindor. Great player for sure, but I'm not giving someone with a 117 OPS+ $300 million. Ditto |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 30, 2021 9:24:44 GMT -6
Hell no, would offer any player this deal.....Heck, I wouldn't offer the 10 year deal that Lindor turned down... Copied from Rotoword - Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that Francisco Lindor's camp is seeking a 12-year, $385 million contract extension from the Mets. DiComo and others also noted that the previously reported 10-year, $325 million offer from the Mets was their "best and final" offer. It's a pretty big gap to overcome if the two sides draw lines in the sand. But, of course, it just takes one phone call for them to agree to meet somewhere in the middle. Lindor has set an Opening Day deadline for contract extension negotiations, so this is going to have a resolution one way or another soon. I don't quiet get the hype with Lindor. Great player for sure, but I'm not giving someone with a 117 OPS+ $300 million. He’s the best all-around SS on the market. Correa is a good defender with spotty offense. Seager is mostly a hitter and like Correa is probably meant to be a 3B. Báez might be the best defender of them all, but his bat is unreliable. Story might be third to Báez and Lindor on defense, but can you trust the hitting of a Coors Field product? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 30, 2021 9:32:25 GMT -6
Hell no, would offer any player this deal.....Heck, I wouldn't offer the 10 year deal that Lindor turned down... Copied from Rotoword - Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that Francisco Lindor's camp is seeking a 12-year, $385 million contract extension from the Mets. DiComo and others also noted that the previously reported 10-year, $325 million offer from the Mets was their "best and final" offer. It's a pretty big gap to overcome if the two sides draw lines in the sand. But, of course, it just takes one phone call for them to agree to meet somewhere in the middle. Lindor has set an Opening Day deadline for contract extension negotiations, so this is going to have a resolution one way or another soon. Good Lord, now Correa will want $30 million a year for sitting out half of every season for a random bullshit injury. No way will Lindor get that contract from anyone. Only a team who has money to burn would give it to him. I am not sure about the "random bullshit injury"....the only one we had much information on was the cracked rib that his "masseuse" supposedly gave him and the fact that he and Daniella lied about it on camera to save the embarrassment of telling how it actually happened. But, I think Carlos has matured since that happened. I don't think he's worth $30 million, but, I doubt if he will re-sign with us for less than $25 million a year for 6-7 years. Considering the number of high quality shortstops that will become free agents at the end of this season, he would be wise to take an offer of $25 million per year Some of you have no problem with paying Altuve $29 million a year until 2024, but, whine about paying Correa over $20 million a year. Makes no sense........If Jose is worth that.......and he isn't......then Carlos is worth $25 million. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 30, 2021 9:38:11 GMT -6
Good Lord, now Correa will want $30 million a year for sitting out half of every season for a random bullshit injury. No way will Lindor get that contract from anyone. Only a team who has money to burn would give it to him. I am not sure about the "random bullshit injury"....the only one we had much information on was the cracked rib that his "masseuse" supposedly gave him and the fact that he and Daniella lied about it on camera to save the embarrassment of telling how it actually happened. But, I think Carlos has matured since that happened. I don't think he's worth $30 million, but, I doubt if he will re-sign with us for less than $25 million a year for 6-7 years. Considering the number of high quality shortstops that will become free agents at the end of this season, he would be wise to take an offer of $25 million per year. You don’t think the cracked rib counted as random or bullshit? Even Hinch basically shook his head about it when talking to reporters. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 30, 2021 9:48:14 GMT -6
No way will Lindor get that contract from anyone. Only a team who has money to burn would give it to him. I am not sure about the "random bullshit injury"....the only one we had much information on was the cracked rib that his "masseuse" supposedly gave him and the fact that he and Daniella lied about it on camera to save the embarrassment of telling how it actually happened. But, I think Carlos has matured since that happened. I don't think he's worth $30 million, but, I doubt if he will re-sign with us for less than $25 million a year for 6-7 years. Considering the number of high quality shortstops that will become free agents at the end of this season, he would be wise to take an offer of $25 million per year. You don’t think the cracked rib counted as random or bullshit? Even Hinch basically shook his head about it when talking to reporters. Depends on how you look at it....the "bullshit' part of that injury was the explanation given as to how it occurred. The injury itself was real. Between the time he proposed after the WS and the time they married, Carlos acted like an immature teenager. He seems to have matured and showed it during last year's post season. What pissed me off more was when he got injured against Atlanta one year trying to score a run we didn't need. We had put the game out of reach before he tried it. He missed at least six weeks for that bullshit. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 30, 2021 11:11:58 GMT -6
METS
BASEBALL
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Francisco Lindor rejects 10-year, $325 million offer Mets call ‘best and final’
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 30, 2021 13:25:28 GMT -6
METS BASEBALL SPORTS Francisco Lindor rejects 10-year, $325 million offer Mets call ‘best and final’ Damn, that is a ton of cash to turn down. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 30, 2021 13:39:45 GMT -6
METS BASEBALL SPORTS Francisco Lindor rejects 10-year, $325 million offer Mets call ‘best and final’ On one hand, that’s a sick amount of money to turn down. On the other hand, there are pitchers who can throw 10-12 innings a week who get paid an exorbitant amount of money. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 30, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -6
I don't quiet get the hype with Lindor. Great player for sure, but I'm not giving someone with a 117 OPS+ $300 million. He’s the best all-around SS on the market. Correa is a good defender with spotty offense. Seager is mostly a hitter and like Correa is probably meant to be a 3B. Báez might be the best defender of them all, but his bat is unreliable. Story might be third to Báez and Lindor on defense, but can you trust the hitting of a Coors Field product? Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 30, 2021 13:56:21 GMT -6
He’s the best all-around SS on the market. Correa is a good defender with spotty offense. Seager is mostly a hitter and like Correa is probably meant to be a 3B. Báez might be the best defender of them all, but his bat is unreliable. Story might be third to Báez and Lindor on defense, but can you trust the hitting of a Coors Field product? Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. He should take the offer and run. Heaven forbid he gets hurt, then what? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 30, 2021 14:04:23 GMT -6
He’s the best all-around SS on the market. Correa is a good defender with spotty offense. Seager is mostly a hitter and like Correa is probably meant to be a 3B. Báez might be the best defender of them all, but his bat is unreliable. Story might be third to Báez and Lindor on defense, but can you trust the hitting of a Coors Field product? Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. Guarantee you that Carla thinks she should be getting this same type of contract. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 30, 2021 14:06:28 GMT -6
He’s the best all-around SS on the market. Correa is a good defender with spotty offense. Seager is mostly a hitter and like Correa is probably meant to be a 3B. Báez might be the best defender of them all, but his bat is unreliable. Story might be third to Báez and Lindor on defense, but can you trust the hitting of a Coors Field product? Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. If Carlos isn't an elite SS, does that mean Jose isn't an elite 2B? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 30, 2021 14:09:16 GMT -6
Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. Guarantee you that Carla thinks she should be getting this same type of contract. Should our second baseman, Senora Altuve, be making $29 million this year and the three years after it? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 30, 2021 14:14:29 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 30, 2021 14:15:25 GMT -6
Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. If Carlos isn't an elite SS, does that mean Jose isn't an elite 2B? Proof that this old mongoloid can find a way to denigrate Jose Altuve in any thread or any conversation, regardless of the topic. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 30, 2021 14:20:14 GMT -6
If Carlos isn't an elite SS, does that mean Jose isn't an elite 2B? Proof that this old mongoloid can find a way to denigrate Jose Altuve in any thread or any conversation, regardless of the topic. And being the green illiterate goofus you are, you think a simple question regarding the worth of your little hero means he is being denigrated. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 31, 2021 3:05:14 GMT -6
Guarantee you that Carla thinks she should be getting this same type of contract. Should our second baseman, Senora Altuve, be making $29 million this year and the three years after it? Based on their previous production leading up to the respective time when they were or are being offered an extension, which player would be more deserving of $29M a year contract: 2018 Altuve or 2021 Correa? |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 31, 2021 4:40:06 GMT -6
I don't think Click wants to buy one of these expensive free-agent shortstops. I'm not sure I'd shell out more than 7yr/$200M for one
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Post by Saint on Mar 31, 2021 8:25:29 GMT -6
Just because he might be the best all-around SS on the market, doesn't mean he is worth that type of contract. I'm not saying he won't get it, but there needs to be a line somewhere. If almost everybody in the world thinks Betts and Trout are the two best players in baseball, do we think, just because he players SS, that he should be in the same range as those guys? Should he make more than Machado? Machado has been a better hitter and is above-average defensively at two different positions. Realmuto was the best all-around catcher on the market over the last few years, a more physically demanding position, and he's not even reaching $25 million a year. Just because he's a shortstop doesn't mean he is in the elite realm, imo. If Carlos isn't an elite SS, does that mean Jose isn't an elite 2B? A. We were talking about Lindor. Who stays on the field. B. Altuve was an elite 2B when he got his money. He was arguably a top-3 player in the entire AL. And since signing the contract, he has been an all-star, SS, an ALCS MVP, and became the all-time leader in postseason HRs by a 2B. So yes, I'd say he's still pretty elite for 2B. C. Correa is an elite SS talent-wise, but he needs to show it health and production wise more consistently. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 31, 2021 8:51:40 GMT -6
If Carlos isn't an elite SS, does that mean Jose isn't an elite 2B? A. We were talking about Lindor. Who stays on the field. B. Altuve was an elite 2B when he got his money. He was arguably a top-3 player in the entire AL. And since signing the contract, he has been an all-star, SS, an ALCS MVP, and became the all-time leader in postseason HRs by a 2B. So yes, I'd say he's still pretty elite for 2B. C. Correa is an elite SS talent-wise, but he needs to show it health and production wise more consistently. Correa, even at 6 years/120 million, could be an overpay. He has been often injured and he's not consistent offensively. However, both the Astros and Carlos know his high ceiling, so his contract demands are based on speculation. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 31, 2021 9:28:37 GMT -6
Should our second baseman, Senora Altuve, be making $29 million this year and the three years after it? Based on their previous production leading up to the respective time when they were or are being offered an extension, which player would be more deserving of $29M a year contract: 2018 Altuve or 2021 Correa? Neither. Jose should not have gotten over $25 million a year and neither should Correa. My point is we overpaid for Altuve and Bregman. We don't know what Springer was offered before he left. He may have left no matter what we offered him. Now, we offer Correa close to $10 million LESS than Altuve id getting and expect him to accept it. That is unreasonable. Offer him up to $25 million and get a deal done. If he becomes a FA, we lose him, and, we won't be able to sign any of the other FA shortstops and will have to rely on an unproven Pena or go get someone about half as good as Correa. If Click can't get this done, he is useless. He came from Tampa Bay where they are famous for either not signing or trading their top players rather than pay them. We don't need that crap in Houston. If he can't sign Correa, I'd fire his ass. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 31, 2021 9:34:43 GMT -6
A. We were talking about Lindor. Who stays on the field. B. Altuve was an elite 2B when he got his money. He was arguably a top-3 player in the entire AL. And since signing the contract, he has been an all-star, SS, an ALCS MVP, and became the all-time leader in postseason HRs by a 2B. So yes, I'd say he's still pretty elite for 2B. C. Correa is an elite SS talent-wise, but he needs to show it health and production wise more consistently. Correa, even at 6 years/120 million, could be an overpay. He has been often injured and he's not consistent offensively. However, both the Astros and Carlos know his high ceiling, so his contract demands are based on speculation. A. Lindor just balked at 12 years, $385 million from the Mets so we won't get him. B. "Elite" is not a term that fits Altuve. He is a mediocre defensive 2B and his numbers have declined since signing the contract, bottoming out at .219 last season. He did rebound to be a great hitter in the post season but, gave away two games with his throwing mistakes C. Which is why I would include a number of games played clause into incentives on his contract. He has to stay on the field to earn his money. We have the money to get this deal done. It won't kick in until next season when Greinke and probably Verlander's contract is off the books. That is nearly $70 million. We can sign Carlos and a top of the rotation starter. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 31, 2021 11:25:33 GMT -6
I keep reading that the Astros "remain in active conversations" to get a contract extension done with Carlos Correa. That is great, but, get it done. I am sick of hearing about how he "can't stay on the field" blah, blah, blah.........The fact is we have nobody in our organization that is ready to step in and replace him if he signs elsewhere which makes it more imperative that we get this extension done.
I have seen the comparisons between Correa and Altuve and that is fine, but, we need to keep a strong lineup around Jose. He is not the cure-all some of you make him out to be.
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Post by Saint on Mar 31, 2021 11:50:22 GMT -6
Correa, even at 6 years/120 million, could be an overpay. He has been often injured and he's not consistent offensively. However, both the Astros and Carlos know his high ceiling, so his contract demands are based on speculation. A. Lindor just balked at 12 years, $385 million from the Mets so we won't get him. B. "Elite" is not a term that fits Altuve. He is a mediocre defensive 2B and his numbers have declined since signing the contract, bottoming out at .219 last season. He did rebound to be a great hitter in the post season but, gave away two games with his throwing mistakes C. Which is why I would include a number of games played clause into incentives on his contract. He has to stay on the field to earn his money. We have the money to get this deal done. It won't kick in until next season when Greinke and probably Verlander's contract is off the books. That is nearly $70 million. We can sign Carlos and a top of the rotation starter. A. WTF are you talking about? Nobody is talking about that possibility. B. That's your opinion. The stats and accolades show that you're wrong outside of a 48-game stretch last year, but you're welcome to think that. If you think he's been mediocre in that time frame, Carlos has been considerably worse and unhealthier during the same stretch of time. Yet, you're all over his nuts. Doesn't make any sense to me. C. I agree with all of that. But he isn't worth Lindor money until he can prove he can stay on the field. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 31, 2021 12:18:07 GMT -6
I keep reading that the Astros "remain in active conversations" to get a contract extension done with Carlos Correa. That is great, but, get it done. I am sick of hearing about how he "can't stay on the field" blah, blah, blah.........The fact is we have nobody in our organization that is ready to step in and replace him if he signs elsewhere which makes it more imperative that we get this extension done. I have seen the comparisons between Correa and Altuve and that is fine, but, we need to keep a strong lineup around Jose. He is not the cure-all some of you make him out to be. But nothing says it has to be Correa or somebody we promote from our farm system. Those aren't our only options. There are a ton of free agent shortstop options next year. Maybe not as good as Correa, but that also means not expensive. That means we can fill other spots with high quality players as well. It would be nice to keep Correa because he wants to be here, he's good when he's healthy, he's a leader, and he's well-liked by his teammates. But, he isn't necessarily worth market-setting money either. If he gets it more power to him, but if he turns down an offer for $20+ million over several years guaranteed, I won't lose sleep over it either. Honestly, I'd have preferred to keep Springer if he had wanted to stay. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 31, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 31, 2021 14:24:33 GMT -6
I don't care if he ever plays another game for the BJs. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 31, 2021 14:29:03 GMT -6
I don't care if he ever plays another game for the BJs. Yeah, but your dead inside with no soul. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 31, 2021 14:29:58 GMT -6
A. Lindor just balked at 12 years, $385 million from the Mets so we won't get him. B. "Elite" is not a term that fits Altuve. He is a mediocre defensive 2B and his numbers have declined since signing the contract, bottoming out at .219 last season. He did rebound to be a great hitter in the post season but, gave away two games with his throwing mistakes C. Which is why I would include a number of games played clause into incentives on his contract. He has to stay on the field to earn his money. We have the money to get this deal done. It won't kick in until next season when Greinke and probably Verlander's contract is off the books. That is nearly $70 million. We can sign Carlos and a top of the rotation starter. A. WTF are you talking about? Nobody is talking about that possibility. B. That's your opinion. The stats and accolades show that you're wrong outside of a 48-game stretch last year, but you're welcome to think that. If you think he's been mediocre in that time frame, Carlos has been considerably worse and unhealthier during the same stretch of time. Yet, you're all over his nuts. Doesn't make any sense to me. C. I agree with all of that. But he isn't worth Lindor money until he can prove he can stay on the field. A. I thought even you could understand my point there. Lindor turned that deal down so he would not be an option for us since we will not pay a SS or anyone else that kind of money. B. Yes, that is my opinion. Altive is a mediocre defensive second baseman and was worse in last year's ALCS. His numbers have declined since he signed his contract...... He hit .346 in 2017, and then it's been .316 to . 298 and last year .219. You keep harping on Correa's injuries and he has had some, but, I see you omit mentioning Jose's injuries. His number of games played has gone down from year to year since 2017 and I'm not counting last season. C. I never said Correa was worth Lindor money and neither is Lindor worth what he turned down from the Mets. Any of the top FA shortstops will cost as much as we will have to pay Correa. He wants to be here....his teammates want him here. So it makes sense to sign him now instead of gambling on being able to sign one close to his level in the off-season. I guarantee you he won't sign here if we don't get him extended now. We don't know who would be available at that time that we can get. |
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