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Post by olpapa on May 9, 2018 21:08:36 GMT -6
Would you reward a starting pitcher who allowed 2 runs per inning? A “closer” can pitch one inning allow 2 runs and get rewarded with a “save.” That, my friend, is excessive.
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Post by bearbryant on May 10, 2018 4:29:17 GMT -6
tbone456 typed that on the board all the time. And everyone said Hinch was my "teen idol" cause of # times I typed that about his decisions tbone has positively regressed from saying that, since he is no longer really posting. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2018 5:55:18 GMT -6
Yes we would have crucified him if he had blown a 3 run lead in his one inning pitched..., and he would have deserved it. It doesn’t matter who the pitcher is. It is the idea that a guy should be rewarded if he can pitch one inning without giving up 3 runs. That is ridiculous. The rule establishing the requirements a pitcher must meet to be credited with a save has been changed from what it was years ago. It is so easy to “earn” a save now that the stat is meaningless. I mean, really. Hold a 3 run lead for one inning and you “saved” the game. What a joke. That seems like an excessive reaction. It is an overrated stat....but a lot of people love stats.... |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2018 6:00:23 GMT -6
tbone has positively regressed from saying that, since he is no longer really posting. No, tbone strikes me as the type of guy unaffected by that....However, if he wanted to get into it with you, he could more than hold his own, but he sticks to baseball...I like his takes, even though a good deal of what he put refuted something I had previously said.... |
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Post by m240 on May 10, 2018 6:42:55 GMT -6
I was starting to wonder if Bortaz hurt his feelings No, tbone strikes me as the type of guy unaffected by that....However, if he wanted to get into it with you, he could more than hold his own, but he sticks to baseball...I like his takes, even though a good deal of what he put refuted something I had previously said.... I agree with your assessment of him. He has a solid respect for the truth and keeps his rebuttals on topic without getting personal. A trait I sometimes do not emulate unfortunately |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 7:35:15 GMT -6
Man I love day baseball and hate it at the same time. Love it because it's the best. Hate it because my stupid job interferes with watching. Good sweep!
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Post by unionstation82 on May 10, 2018 9:54:08 GMT -6
No, tbone strikes me as the type of guy unaffected by that....However, if he wanted to get into it with you, he could more than hold his own, but he sticks to baseball...I like his takes, even though a good deal of what he put refuted something I had previously said.... He was a good poster. He never got personal. He was a solid part of the cast unlike Acloturdvuvuzela. |
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2018 10:34:16 GMT -6
Would you reward a starting pitcher who allowed 2 runs per inning? A “closer” can pitch one inning allow 2 runs and get rewarded with a “save.” That, my friend, is excessive. I don't mean so much about the stat "Save". I just mean giving the guy credit for coming in during back to back to games and having good efficient innings. Since the blowup against NY he has only allowed one baserunner. But, in the end, we traded for him to be the guy who can come in with a lead at the end of the game and hold it. That's the way the game is played now. I don't necessarily like it either, but that's how it is. And, so far this year, in those situations he has been perfect. For the record, he has pitched in 14 games this year and has only given up a run 3 times (with two of those appearances being only one run). All I'm trying to get at is to support the guys when they do something positive. |
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2018 10:35:39 GMT -6
That seems like an excessive reaction. It is an overrated stat....but a lot of people love stats.... Lots of stats are overrated, but the idea is still sound. You need a guy(s) that can hold a lead at the end of the game. Call it whatever you want, but you need it. And when a pitcher does it well, they deserve some credit just as they deserve some blame when they don't. |
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2018 10:38:18 GMT -6
No, tbone strikes me as the type of guy unaffected by that....However, if he wanted to get into it with you, he could more than hold his own, but he sticks to baseball...I like his takes, even though a good deal of what he put refuted something I had previously said.... I agree with your assessment of him. He has a solid respect for the truth and keeps his rebuttals on topic without getting personal. A trait I sometimes do not emulate unfortunately I don't know how he was the last few years when I was gone, but I remember that he chose numbers to justify his stances. And he was consistent with that. If he didn't like a guy it was because the numbers proved he wasn't effective. Simple as that. He didn't form opinions based on squatting, arrow-shooting, rumors, etc. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 10, 2018 11:22:07 GMT -6
tbone has positively regressed from saying that, since he is no longer really posting. He hasn't unfriended me on Facebook |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 10, 2018 11:26:07 GMT -6
How boring.
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2018 11:54:26 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2018 12:40:46 GMT -6
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Post by bearbryant on May 10, 2018 13:20:23 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on May 10, 2018 14:36:54 GMT -6
Purely objective analysis can get boring, though. You’ve got to inject some opinion into things sometimes. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 10, 2018 14:38:18 GMT -6
anyone not seen Orbit in his underwear?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 10, 2018 14:41:29 GMT -6
Yeah, well...at least Muppets are real...unlike aliens. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 10, 2018 14:42:16 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on May 10, 2018 14:44:15 GMT -6
My wife loves Orbit as much as or even more than the Astros.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 10, 2018 14:44:47 GMT -6
There's a reason he always wins mascot awards.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 10, 2018 14:47:51 GMT -6
Orbit is a great mascot. I’m glad he’s there instead of that rabbit thing they had back in the pinstripe days.
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2018 15:15:19 GMT -6
Yeah, well...at least Muppets are real...unlike aliens. There's no proof that says they aren't! |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2018 15:54:27 GMT -6
My wife loves Orbit as much as or even more than the Astros. Eww... Furry Sex Couple. |
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Post by marshall on May 10, 2018 15:59:57 GMT -6
Orbit needs to get some Reddick Speedos. |
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Post by sempersmom on May 10, 2018 16:06:37 GMT -6
Orbit needs to get some Reddick Speedos. That would be hilarious! |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 10, 2018 18:54:16 GMT -6
I was looking ahead to the Giants series coming up. They played PHI yesterday, who started former Astro Vince Velasquez.
VV got 2 hits to support himself and barely qualified for a QS.
My general impression of the Giants is that they have some good hitters, but not much pitching. Cueto is on the 60-day DL and their bullpen+rotation have been revolving doors with the SF minor league system.
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Post by olpapa on May 11, 2018 9:52:58 GMT -6
That seems like an excessive reaction. It is an overrated stat....but a lot of people love stats.... This on the history of the “save” rule from Baseball Reference: “Before the 1974 season, the save rule was modified and simplified. Under this new rule, a relief pitcher earned a save under one of two conditions: He had to enter the game with either the potential tying or winning run either on base or at the plate and preserve the lead; or He had to pitch at least three or more effective innings and preserve the lead.” That makes a lot more sense than the way the rule is written now. If a relief pitcher was successful in closing the game out under one of those conditions, it could at least be argued that the game was in jeopardy when he was brought in and he saved the team from losing the game. The way it is now if a relief pitcher comes in with his team leading by 3 runs or less and pitches one inning without blowing the lead he gets credited with a save. When your team has a 3 run lead in the 9th inning with nobody on base for the other team your team is not in jeopardy of losing that game, unless of course your relief pitcher pitcher puts your team in jeopardy of losing by not pitching effectively. When you look up stats for pitchers there is a stat identified as “GF” which is stands for games finished. IMO in order to earn a “save” a relief pitcher should have to meet one of the conditions required by the save rule as it was modified/simplified prior to the 1974 season. IMO if a relief pitcher pitches less than 3 innings; never faces a situation where the tying or lead run is either on base or at the plate; and finishes the game, the pitcher should simply be credited with a “GF” in the box score/stats. |
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Post by Saint on May 11, 2018 11:16:57 GMT -6
I don't disagree.
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