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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2021 22:17:06 GMT -6
The guys on MLB tonight are saying Story will be traded to the A's and Marte will go to the Astros. I don't want Straw or McCormick to go in the deal. If we can get him for a couple of mid-level prospects then do it. He can walk at the end of the year so don't give much for him.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 23, 2021 22:30:05 GMT -6
I like Marte.
I think we won't be done after that.
We will have to wait and see. I think we will try for Marte and a BP arm in the same trade with the Marlins.
Then see what we can do from there.
The John Hicks guy Catcher slash 1B would be a great pick up aswell
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2021 22:42:56 GMT -6
I like Marte. I think we won't be done after that. We will have to wait and see. I think we will try for Marte and a BP arm in the same trade with the Marlins. Then see what we can do from there. The John Hicks guy Catcher slash 1B would be a great pick up aswell Don't be surprised if Crane has told Click to go get Scherzer. Remember, we pulled the trigger on deals for Verlander and Greinke so this is something Crane likes to do. I am just afraid of what we'd have to give up. I'm betting Whitley, Javier or Abreu, and Paredes. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 23, 2021 23:13:56 GMT -6
Scherzer wouldn’t be the best move but also wouldn’t be the worst. I’m torn on that one.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2021 23:24:32 GMT -6
Scherzer wouldn’t be the best move but also wouldn’t be the worst. I’m torn on that one. With me, it all depends on what we have to give up for him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 23, 2021 23:28:50 GMT -6
A’s finally die. 4-3, Mariners.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 23, 2021 23:29:42 GMT -6
Scherzer wouldn’t be the best move but also wouldn’t be the worst. I’m torn on that one. With me, it all depends on what we have to give up for him. The thing with him is he won’t be a rental because he wants a contract extension with his new team. However, he’s 37 already. Yeah, I don’t want to give up a lot for him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2021 23:34:49 GMT -6
With me, it all depends on what we have to give up for him. The thing with him is he won’t be a rental because he wants a contract extension with his new team. However, he’s 37 already. Yeah, I don’t want to give up a lot for him. I would say NO to Straw, McCormick, Lee, and Leon. We could talk about Javier, Paredes, and Whitley. If I gave them all three, they have to put Hudson in the deal to help the pen. I think the odds of us getting Scherzer are slim and none, but, who knows. Crane likes to make big moves at the deadline. I am OK with getting Marte because I think he'd come cheap. What I've seen in a deal for him is Ronnie Dawson and a lower level minor league pitcher. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 7:32:42 GMT -6
Three deals I would do;
Urquidy, Whitley,, and Straw for Scherzer and a 90 million dollar 3 year extension
Dawson, Gonzales, and.Dubin For Marte, and Curtiss
Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 24, 2021 8:02:13 GMT -6
John Hicks in only 10 Games 2021 Stats AVG R HR RBI SB OPS .258 6 4 7 0 .935 They needed room for Trevino the only reason they cut him. Might be OK to sign him to a minor league deal and watch him. Not a horrible idea but it's not likely to happen. Any team can claim him, if they put him directly on their 40. If there is a team who had a season-ending catcher injury, brought up a young catcher from their minors and currently only have two catchers on their 40, they'll surely claim Hicks and option their young catcher. Let's say Hicks makes it through the waiver systems, what then? Okay, so you sign him to a minors contract (and probably have to pay him a substantial signing bonus). And he's raking in the minors. How do you actually use him in the majors? A - You happen to have a catcher go to the DL-60. That opens a slot on your 40, and you're good to go. The insurance policy you created by signing him has now paid off. B - The three catchers on your 40 stay healthy so you DFA someone else to make the 40-man slot available. Now you're tying up four slots on your 40 with catchers. And you may have already cut some 'expendable' player(s) to create a 40-man slot for someone you acquired at the trade deadline ... or to accommodate Pedro Baez returning from the DL-60. Clumsy business, eh?
And it all becomes a moot point if another team claims Hicks directly via the waiver system.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2021 10:05:10 GMT -6
Three deals I would do; Urquidy, Whitley,, and Straw for Scherzer and a 90 million dollar 3 year extension Dawson, Gonzales, and.Dubin For Marte, and Curtiss Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez. I am beginning to think this shoulder problem that keeps popping up for Urquidy is going to be an ongoing issue. That is the only reason I would consider putting him in this trade. I don't want to deal Straw and that would be a last resort. Are you sure you want to extend a 37 year old pitcher for three years at $30 million per year. I don't want to tie up that much money for that length of time for a pitcher that old. I'm all for Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez. Why would a rebuilding team like the Marlins be interested in trading Curtiss? He's 28 years old, makes minimum salary, won't be a FA until 2026. and is putting up great numbers? If they would do the deal you suggested, I'd jump on it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2021 10:13:21 GMT -6
We are about to head out on a West coast trip for three with the Mariners, three with the Giants, and two with the Dodgers. It would be great if Click could give the roster the "attention" he says it needs by the middle of the week instead of waiting until the last hour of the last day of the deadline.
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 10:21:54 GMT -6
Three deals I would do; Urquidy, Whitley,, and Straw for Scherzer and a 90 million dollar 3 year extension Dawson, Gonzales, and.Dubin For Marte, and Curtiss Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez. I am beginning to think this shoulder problem that keeps popping up for Urquidy is going to be an ongoing issue. That is the only reason I would consider putting him in this trade. I don't want to deal Straw and that would be a last resort. Are you sure you want to extend a 37 year old pitcher for three years at $30 million per year. I don't want to tie up that much money for that length of time for a pitcher that old. I'm all for Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez. Why would a rebuilding team like the Marlins be interested in trading Curtiss? He's 28 years old, makes minimum salary, won't be a FA until 2026. and is putting up great numbers? If they would do the deal you suggested, I'd jump on it. Scherzer is kind of like Ryan and Verlander in his dedication to the game and that is what he wants according to one of the talking heads. So 90 million for a great shot at another ring sounds ok to me. Pirates really want santos and Solomon and someone else. Haven’t read any speculation on who. Curtiss is 28 and only figured it out recently so who knows how long he can maintain. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2021 10:31:00 GMT -6
I am beginning to think this shoulder problem that keeps popping up for Urquidy is going to be an ongoing issue. That is the only reason I would consider putting him in this trade. I don't want to deal Straw and that would be a last resort. Are you sure you want to extend a 37 year old pitcher for three years at $30 million per year. I don't want to tie up that much money for that length of time for a pitcher that old. I'm all for Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez. Why would a rebuilding team like the Marlins be interested in trading Curtiss? He's 28 years old, makes minimum salary, won't be a FA until 2026. and is putting up great numbers? If they would do the deal you suggested, I'd jump on it. Scherzer is kind of like Ryan and Verlander in his dedication to the game and that is what he wants according to one of the talking heads. So 90 million for a great shot at another ring sounds ok to me. Pirates really want santos and Solomon and someone else. Haven’t read any speculation on who. Curtiss is 28 and only figured it out recently so who knows how long he can maintain. I know I'd do the deal with the Marlins. If that was done, I'd consider trading Straw to get Scherzer since we still have McCormick who may end up the better player of the two. I'd give the Pirates Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez before they changed their minds. Looking at the roster if these deals came through, we add Scherzer to the top of a rotation with Greinke, Valdez, McCullers, and Garcia. (I wish somebody wanted Odorizzi). Our pen would have Pressly, Rodriguez, Stanek, Javier, Taylor, Baez, Abreu, and Curtiss. Bielak goes to Sugar Land. Nobody cares where Joe Smith goes. Raley would be a question mark. Our outfield would have Brantley/Alvarrez, Marte/McCormick, and Tucker. We will be getting Bregman and Diaz back for the infield which means we can DFA Garcia and send Toro to Sugar Land. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 10:48:14 GMT -6
Scherzer is kind of like Ryan and Verlander in his dedication to the game and that is what he wants according to one of the talking heads. So 90 million for a great shot at another ring sounds ok to me. Pirates really want santos and Solomon and someone else. Haven’t read any speculation on who. Curtiss is 28 and only figured it out recently so who knows how long he can maintain. I know I'd do the deal with the Marlins. If that was done, I'd consider trading Straw to get Scherzer since we still have McCormick who may end up the better player of the two. I'd give the Pirates Santos and Solomon for Rodriguez before they changed their minds. Looking at the roster if these deals came through, we add Scherzer to the top of a rotation with Greinke, Valdez, McCullers, and Garcia. (I wish somebody wanted Odorizzi). Our pen would have Pressly, Rodriguez, Stanek, Javier, Taylor, Baez, Abreu, and Curtiss. Bielak goes to Sugar Land. Nobody cares where Joe Smith goes. Raley would be a question mark. Our outfield would have Brantley/Alvarrez, Marte/McCormick, and Tucker. We will be getting Bregman and Diaz back for the infield which means we can DFA Garcia and send Toro to Sugar Land. The Pirates are said to want those two plus a lower level high upside ptnl. No idea who that may be. Miami is trying to off load Dickerson as well. Makes you wonder who plays the outfield for them if they trade both. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 24, 2021 11:15:31 GMT -6
Let’s be honest. Nothing we have to offer outside of our regular starting nine and the young pitchers in the rotation are really worth much. This even includes McCormick, Toro, and maybe Straw.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2021 11:23:29 GMT -6
Let’s be honest. Nothing we have to offer outside of our regular starting nine and the young pitchers in the rotation are really worth much. This even includes McCormick, Toro, and maybe Straw. Correct. That's why we will not have a blockbuster trade. We should end up with a pen piece and that's about it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2021 11:26:56 GMT -6
Let’s be honest. Nothing we have to offer outside of our regular starting nine and the young pitchers in the rotation are really worth much. This even includes McCormick, Toro, and maybe Straw. Correct. That's why we will not have a blockbuster trade. We should end up with a pen piece and that's about it. If what Click has done up to this point is an example of what to expect this week, there isn't much help on the way. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2021 11:47:24 GMT -6
Correct. That's why we will not have a blockbuster trade. We should end up with a pen piece and that's about it. If what Click has done up to this point is an example of what to expect this week, there isn't much help on the way. With such a weak farm I am afraid Click will not be in position to do much. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -6
Let’s be honest. Nothing we have to offer outside of our regular starting nine and the young pitchers in the rotation are really worth much. This even includes McCormick, Toro, and maybe Straw. Very few teams will let go of top 100 prospects these days. Letting go of Leon or Lee is a hard no even for Scherzer or a top bullpen guy(s). |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2021 12:03:47 GMT -6
Let’s be honest. Nothing we have to offer outside of our regular starting nine and the young pitchers in the rotation are really worth much. This even includes McCormick, Toro, and maybe Straw. Very few teams will let go of top 100 prospects these days. Letting go of Leon or Lee is a hard no even for Scherzer or a top bullpen guy(s). We would have to give up Leon, Lee plus to get Scherzer. Our farm is better than last year, but we have to build it back up. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 12:25:10 GMT -6
Very few teams will let go of top 100 prospects these days. Letting go of Leon or Lee is a hard no even for Scherzer or a top bullpen guy(s). We would have to give up Leon, Lee plus to get Scherzer. Our farm is better than last year, but we have to build it back up. I guess that will depend on whether the Dodgers get into the bidding for him. Supposedly the fans went batsh*t crazy at the very thought of the Astros getting Scherzer. Still if it takes Leon or Lee to get the deal done that would be a hard no. Crane wants another ring according to some so if that is true no telling what we give up. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2021 12:28:31 GMT -6
We would have to give up Leon, Lee plus to get Scherzer. Our farm is better than last year, but we have to build it back up. I guess that will depend on whether the Dodgers get into the bidding for him. Supposedly the fans went batsh*t crazy at the very thought of the Astros getting Scherzer. Still if it takes Leon or Lee to get the deal done that would be a hard no. Crane wants another ring according to some so if that is true no telling what we give up. I doubt the Nationals trade Max. If I was the Dodgers I would keep my eye on the Padres, not the Astros. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 12:32:25 GMT -6
I guess that will depend on whether the Dodgers get into the bidding for him. Supposedly the fans went batsh*t crazy at the very thought of the Astros getting Scherzer. Still if it takes Leon or Lee to get the deal done that would be a hard no. Crane wants another ring according to some so if that is true no telling what we give up. I doubt the Nationals trade Max. If I was the Dodgers I would keep my eye on the Padres, not the Astros. The hatred runs deep in Dodgerland. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 24, 2021 12:41:24 GMT -6
I doubt the Nationals trade Max. If I was the Dodgers I would keep my eye on the Padres, not the Astros. The hatred runs deep in Dodgerland. They should definitely worry about the Padres... They have the means (prospects) to get him... |
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 12:41:48 GMT -6
The thing about Scherzer is that this is the last year of his current contract and he is a 10 and 5 guy so no trades without his approval and he says no trade without an extension that is supposed to be worth 3 years and 90 million. He is open to deferred money as his current deal calls for 105 million in deferred money that will pay him 15 million a year for 7 years starting next year.
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 12:43:16 GMT -6
The hatred runs deep in Dodgerland. They should definitely worry about the Padres... They have the means (prospects) to get him... I agree but if the Padres are in the hunt they are being very quiet about it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 24, 2021 12:50:42 GMT -6
I don’t get hyped up about rumors. So far, I’ve seen rumors about Click wanting to sign Hendriks or Treinen but getting Stanek and Báez. The splashiest move, if you could call it that, was getting León.
Basically, in terms of making a big move on the part of the Astros, I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2021 12:53:20 GMT -6
I guess that will depend on whether the Dodgers get into the bidding for him. Supposedly the fans went batsh*t crazy at the very thought of the Astros getting Scherzer. Still if it takes Leon or Lee to get the deal done that would be a hard no. Crane wants another ring according to some so if that is true no telling what we give up. I doubt the Nationals trade Max. If I was the Dodgers I would keep my eye on the Padres, not the Astros. I forgot to mention that the Nats knew he wanted 90 million to sign an extension and they have said no up to this point. If they do not trade him and will not pay him they are in the same boat as we are with Correa but they are not in serious contention for a playoff run. So trade him or get a comp pick. Given the circumstances a trade brings back more with Urquidy, Whitley and Straw. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2021 13:01:21 GMT -6
I doubt the Nationals trade Max. If I was the Dodgers I would keep my eye on the Padres, not the Astros. I forgot to mention that the Nats knew he wanted 90 million to sign an extension and they have said no up to this point. If they do not trade him and will not pay him they are in the same boat as we are with Correa but they are not in serious contention for a playoff run. So trade him or get a comp pick. Given the circumstances a trade brings back more with Urquidy, Whitley and Straw. Do you think they would settle for that package? |
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