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Post by olpapa on Jul 12, 2021 20:24:57 GMT -6
We all know that the Astros’ bullpen could use some help. Click has got his work cut out for him. I can’t see how he will be able to deal for a reliever of any significance without trading away some of our ML level players.
The Pirates need outfielders. Richard Rodríguez would be a great addition, but would you trade away Chas McCormick in a deal for him?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2021 22:07:48 GMT -6
We all know that the Astros’ bullpen could use some help. Click has got his work cut out for him. I can’t see how he will be able to deal for a reliever of any significance without trading away some of our ML level players. The Pirates need outfielders. Richard Rodríguez would be a great addition, but would you trade away Chas McCormick in a deal for him? NO WAY do I trade Chas McCormick for a relief pitcher. He shows his value to this team nearly every time he's in the lineup. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 6:48:25 GMT -6
We all know that the Astros’ bullpen could use some help. Click has got his work cut out for him. I can’t see how he will be able to deal for a reliever of any significance without trading away some of our ML level players. The Pirates need outfielders. Richard Rodríguez would be a great addition, but would you trade away Chas McCormick in a deal for him? To entice a team like the Pirates, you don't necessarily need to trade from the 40-man but you do need to create an opening on your roster to accommodate the player you're adding. The Pirates will be looking for future talent, so the centerpiece of the deal might be someone who's not currently on your 40 but has a promising upside. If the centerpiece isn't on the 40, you'll probably include someone who is currently on the 40 to open the needed slot without exposing a player to waivers. Richard Rodriguez is a highly competent reliever who has TWO more years of team control (arbitration) after this season. So his salary requirement will be modest compared to the level of performance. You'll have plenty of competition from other contending teams, when trying to broker a deal on a player like that. I don't know enough about Chas to say whether he's the right player to trade one-for-one, or if that would be an overpay or an underpay. I also don't know if the Pirates will have a crowded outfield moving forward. Maybe a trade involving Chas would need to be a three-team deal. idk. But I will say you won't get Rodriguez by offering scraps. Even if the Pirates don't trade him, Rodriguez has strong value to the Pirates in 2022 and 2023. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 13, 2021 7:37:52 GMT -6
I hate to give up Chas when we have such little depth in the OF... Obviously you have to give up value to get value, but we have such limited value that we can spare without hurting ourselves, imo.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 7:59:08 GMT -6
I hate to give up Chas when we have such little depth in the OF... Obviously you have to give up value to get value, but we have such limited value that we can spare without hurting ourselves, imo. There are different ways of offering value. For instance, you could look at your prospect list and find a player who has never seen the majors but represents a bright future and plays a position where you have more depth. Then include a player from the 40 who is of less use to you. Since Bregman and Diaz will return to service, Toro or Garcia could be a choice for the player from the 40. Or a struggling reliever. Of course the less value from the player leaving your 40 means more value would be needed from the prospect who hasn't seen ML action. And we haven't considered what position(s) would be more desirable to Pirates moving forward. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 8:04:36 GMT -6
Another name worth inclusion in the conversation is José Cisnero from the Tigers. I think he has similar, but lesser value than Rodriguez. Like Rodriguez, he has two years of arb after this season. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 13, 2021 8:04:48 GMT -6
I hate to give up Chas when we have such little depth in the OF... Obviously you have to give up value to get value, but we have such limited value that we can spare without hurting ourselves, imo. There are different ways of offering value. For instance, you could look at your prospect list and find a player who has never seen the majors but represents a bright future and plays a position where you have more depth. Then include a player from the 40 who is of less use to you. Since Bregman and Diaz will return to service, Toro or Garcia could be a choice for the player from the 40. Or a struggling reliever. Of course the less value from the player leaving your 40 means more value would be needed from the prospect who hasn't seen ML action. And we haven't considered what position(s) would be more desirable to Pirates moving forward. Yes, I think all of us here know how trades work (except maybe for Nathan). |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 8:30:54 GMT -6
Yes, I think all of us here know how trades work (except maybe for Nathan). Okay. So Chas doesn't have much of a pedigree (21st round of the 2017 draft) but he's shown value at the ML level. Would you trade someone who hasn't looked good lately but has more of a pedigree ... say Forrest Whitley or Tyler Ivey? btw, both of them are on the 40 so it could be a one-for-one deal, although I reckon the Astros would want more than Rodriguez on the return for Whitley. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 13, 2021 8:39:26 GMT -6
Yes, I think all of us here know how trades work (except maybe for Nathan). Okay. So Chas doesn't have much of a pedigree (21st round of the 2017 draft) but he's shown value at the ML level. Would you trade someone who hasn't looked good lately but has more of a pedigree ... say Forrest Whitley or Tyler Ivey? btw, both of them are on the 40 so it could be a one-for-one deal, although I reckon the Astros would want more than Rodriguez on the return for Whitley. I'd trade Forrest Whitley for a chewy hotdog. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 13, 2021 8:47:59 GMT -6
Okay. So Chas doesn't have much of a pedigree (21st round of the 2017 draft) but he's shown value at the ML level. Would you trade someone who hasn't looked good lately but has more of a pedigree ... say Forrest Whitley or Tyler Ivey? btw, both of them are on the 40 so it could be a one-for-one deal, although I reckon the Astros would want more than Rodriguez on the return for Whitley. I'd trade Forrest Whitley for a chewy hotdog. Both Whitley and Ivey are recovering from TJS. I would trade either one or both of them to get a solid relief pitcher. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 13, 2021 9:31:38 GMT -6
Yes, I think all of us here know how trades work (except maybe for Nathan). Okay. So Chas doesn't have much of a pedigree (21st round of the 2017 draft) but he's shown value at the ML level. Would you trade someone who hasn't looked good lately but has more of a pedigree ... say Forrest Whitley or Tyler Ivey? btw, both of them are on the 40 so it could be a one-for-one deal, although I reckon the Astros would want more than Rodriguez on the return for Whitley. I would gift wrap Whitley and send him to the Pirates for Rodriguez. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 9:36:40 GMT -6
Both Whitley and Ivey are recovering from TJS. I would trade either one or both of them to get a solid relief pitcher. I had forgotten about Whitley going under the knife. I hadn't heard about Ivey other than he had some elbow discomfort. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 9:45:39 GMT -6
We all know that the Astros’ bullpen could use some help. Click has got his work cut out for him. I can’t see how he will be able to deal for a reliever of any significance without trading away some of our ML level players. The Pirates need outfielders. Richard Rodríguez would be a great addition, but would you trade away Chas McCormick in a deal for him? It would be hard for me to deal Chas for Rodriguez. Baez and James both will be back soon. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 10:11:25 GMT -6
While nowhere near the value of Richard Rodríguez or José Cisnero, Yimi García (Marlins) would be worth a look. He's FA this winter, so the Marlins would be motivated to exchange a half season of him (when they aren't in contention) for a modest amount of future value. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 13, 2021 11:20:21 GMT -6
I'm hesitant to give up anybody of value at all for a reliever rental that isn't a guaranteed upgrade. Somebody that is obviously a huge boost.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 13, 2021 15:47:34 GMT -6
So what do you think of Anthony Bender? His numbers look pretty good. I wonder if we could pry him loose from the Marlins.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 16:08:15 GMT -6
I hope Nathan is doing his homework. I want a World Serious!
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 13, 2021 16:23:03 GMT -6
I hope Nathan is doing his homework. I want a World Serious! Shirley you can't be series |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 13, 2021 16:31:16 GMT -6
So what do you think of Anthony Bender? His numbers look pretty good. I wonder if we could pry him loose from the Marlins. His numbers look great for 30 ML innings so far. He made his debut in May so he has a full clock of at least six year of team control. Unless there's reason to believe this season's results were a fortunate blip, he would be the most costly in terms of prospects of any name mentioned thus far. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 16:41:46 GMT -6
I hope Nathan is doing his homework. I want a World Serious! Shirley you can't be series You donts want us in the World Serious? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 13, 2021 16:46:55 GMT -6
Shirley you can't be series You donts want us in the World Serious? Yes, but No to Nathan actually doing homework... |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 16:49:55 GMT -6
We have already agreed in principle with our 4th-7th round draft picks.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 17:26:53 GMT -6
Sometimes the best trade is the one never made.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 13, 2021 19:08:20 GMT -6
Sometimes the best trade is the one never made. Astros signed Billy Wagner's kid, Will Wagner, 2B.....Wish he could pitch like his dad. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 13, 2021 19:11:46 GMT -6
Sometimes the best trade is the one never made. Astros signed Billy Wagner's kid, Will Wagner, 2B.....Wish he could pitch like his dad. Billy at his old age would be an upgrade for our pen... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 13, 2021 20:11:20 GMT -6
Astros signed Billy Wagner's kid, Will Wagner, 2B.....Wish he could pitch like his dad. Billy at his old age would be an upgrade for our pen... You got that right. When I saw that we had drafted Wagner, I wondered if he was Billy's son. At least he comes from good stock. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 13, 2021 21:30:31 GMT -6
Congratulations, the Astros are now done with their punishment.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 14, 2021 5:12:15 GMT -6
Congratulations, the Astros are now done with their punishment. We still have Robel Garcia, right? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 14, 2021 8:20:20 GMT -6
Congratulations, the Astros are now done with their punishment. We still have Robel Garcia, right? Shit. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 14, 2021 9:18:46 GMT -6
Congratulations, the Astros are now done with their punishment. We still have Robel Garcia, right? Hopefully not for much longer. |
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