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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2021 10:20:28 GMT -6
Thoughts?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 30, 2021 10:42:52 GMT -6
5-years $150-200 million...but I'd hesitate to do even that. Between his history of injury and history of disappearing for weeks...I'm not sure he'd even be worth it. I know some of you will squawk about his playoff success, but the 162 games in the season count too.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2021 11:20:47 GMT -6
I'd lean toward 5yrs/$150-200 million, but, I also might be willing to go with whatever it takes. Leon can't replace Carlos and there is NO FA shortstop on the market that is his equal defensively or as a clutch hitter. Yes, he has extended slumps at times, but, he can also get hot and carry the team if others go into a slump. We will have the money to keep him.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 30, 2021 12:01:40 GMT -6
5-years $150-200 million...but I'd hesitate to do even that. Between his history of injury and history of disappearing for weeks...I'm not sure he'd even be worth it. I know some of you will squawk about his playoff success, but the 162 games in the season count too. I went for 5 year option....But rather have 4 years, $150-$160....heck I rather 3 years, $120M-$130M |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2021 13:11:44 GMT -6
5 years
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2021 18:03:27 GMT -6
Whoever wants to let him walk has a problem.
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 1, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -6
Correa being so inconsistent at the plate over his career is why I still think he won't get ten years in free agency, and he won't get $30M per. I think someone will wind up landing him for 9yr/$260M, and it won't be that bad an investment cause his glove would still provide value. If Crane would come back to the table with 8yr/$225M at least we could say we tried
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 1, 2021 22:14:30 GMT -6
Correa being so inconsistent at the plate over his career is why I still think he won't get ten years in free agency, and he won't get $30M per. I think someone will wind up landing him for 9yr/$260M, and it won't be that bad an investment cause his glove would still provide value. If Crane would come back to the table with 8yr/$225M at least we could say we tried And then the oft-injured Bregman will have to step up for him on offense, defense, and in leadership. That’s a lot to ask. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 1, 2021 23:31:38 GMT -6
Correa being so inconsistent at the plate over his career is why I still think he won't get ten years in free agency, and he won't get $30M per. I think someone will wind up landing him for 9yr/$260M, and it won't be that bad an investment cause his glove would still provide value. If Crane would come back to the table with 8yr/$225M at least we could say we tried And then the oft-injured Bregman will have to step up for him on offense, defense, and in leadership. That’s a lot to ask. Letting him walk would be the dumbest thing this organization has done since John McMullen let Nolan Ryan because he thought Nolan was too old to keep pitching. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2021 10:04:55 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one that sees this as a win-win situation for the Astros. Either we keep and he's a very valuable player to have for a while, or we free up more money for other moves and get a nice supplemental pick that we desperately need.
Sure, if we keep him we're likely overpaying him for at least a part of the contract, but there is no arguing that he brings a lot of production when he's on the field, even if he's slumping.
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 2, 2021 12:46:49 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one that sees this as a win-win situation for the Astros. Either we keep and he's a very valuable player to have for a while, or we free up more money for other moves and get a nice supplemental pick that we desperately need. Sure, if we keep him we're likely overpaying him for at least a part of the contract, but there is no arguing that he brings a lot of production when he's on the field, even if he's slumping. I agree with you. He can take the money, or we can keep the money to use on someone else and get the draft pick for him. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 4, 2021 16:49:59 GMT -6
I wonder if this is more PR than real ... Tigers’ President: Team Could Pursue “High-Impact” Players This OffseasonThere’s a rather straightforward line to be drawn between Ilitch’s comments and the upcoming star-studded free agent shortstop class. Each of Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, Marcus Semien, Trevor Story and Javier Báez is slated to hit the open market. I don't think the Tigers are poised to be a serious contender in 2022 unless they make several big purchases on the FA market this winter. In any case, I'd hate to see Al Avila making huge long-term deals. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 4, 2021 17:02:22 GMT -6
I wonder if this is more PR than real ... Tigers’ President: Team Could Pursue “High-Impact” Players This OffseasonThere’s a rather straightforward line to be drawn between Ilitch’s comments and the upcoming star-studded free agent shortstop class. Each of Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, Marcus Semien, Trevor Story and Javier Báez is slated to hit the open market. I don't think the Tigers are poised to be a serious contender in 2022 unless they make several big purchases on the FA market this winter. In any case, I'd hate to see Al Avila making huge long-term deals. I could see Hinch trying to get them to go after Correa. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 4, 2021 17:47:30 GMT -6
I would like to make him happy but not at the cost of an eternity deal. Besides, Hinch already has a couple of former Astros. They've been easy on the payroll and excellent. Jake Rogers and Robbie Grossman.
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 4, 2021 18:37:42 GMT -6
I wonder if this is more PR than real ... Tigers’ President: Team Could Pursue “High-Impact” Players This OffseasonThere’s a rather straightforward line to be drawn between Ilitch’s comments and the upcoming star-studded free agent shortstop class. Each of Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, Marcus Semien, Trevor Story and Javier Báez is slated to hit the open market. I don't think the Tigers are poised to be a serious contender in 2022 unless they make several big purchases on the FA market this winter. In any case, I'd hate to see Al Avila making huge long-term deals. I posted that yesterday under Detroit Tigers. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 4, 2021 19:45:10 GMT -6
I wonder if this is more PR than real ... Tigers’ President: Team Could Pursue “High-Impact” Players This OffseasonI don't think the Tigers are poised to be a serious contender in 2022 unless they make several big purchases on the FA market this winter. In any case, I'd hate to see Al Avila making huge long-term deals. I posted that yesterday under Detroit Tigers. ***** My bad. Maybe I can talk ɮօʀȶǟʐ into moving these posts into your thread. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 4, 2021 19:50:01 GMT -6
I posted that yesterday under Detroit Tigers. ***** My bad. Maybe I can talk ɮօʀȶǟʐ into moving these posts into your thread. No need in doing that. I am a closet Tiger fan because of your kindness. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 10, 2021 20:51:56 GMT -6
5-years $150-200 million...but I'd hesitate to do even that. Between his history of injury and history of disappearing for weeks...I'm not sure he'd even be worth it. I know some of you will squawk about his playoff success, but the 162 games in the season count too. No way would I offer Correa a dime over $151 million or a day over 5 years. When Altuve signed his extension in March 2018 he was coming off an incredible 4-year run in which he won an MVP award, 4 silver slugger awards, a gold glove, made 4 all-star teams and accumulated 25.1 WAR. At the time he signed his extension he was already signed for the 2018 and 2019 seasons. His extension added 5 years to his deal. He was paid a $21 million bonus for years 2018-2019 plus $26 million per year for years 2020-2024. Basically he signed a deal that paid him $151 million for an additional 5 years. Correa has done nothing that comes close to what Altuve has accomplished yet he apparently thinks he is entitled to be paid more than Altuve. If he won’t sign for 5 years $151 million or less, piss on him. By the way, have any of you been paying attention to the year our old nemesis Marcus Semien is having for Toronto? His numbers put Correa in the shade. Semien will be a free agent next season. I know he is 31 years old, but I would sign him to a 3 year deal in a heartbeat. |
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Post by talshill on Aug 10, 2021 21:19:34 GMT -6
Man, I don't know what I would do or how long I'd do it for. I could say 8/240 and look like a genius if Correa puts up a couple of MVPs and finally whacks 30 HR while hitting .300. But a bigger part of me thinks Carlos isn't ever going to stay healthy or reach his considerable potential. I still think I'd do 8/240, but only because he's still young and the going rate for an all-star caliber SS will probably be 45 million before the contract is over. But then again I'd probably be wrong. Or right. I'm confused.
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Post by Saint on Aug 11, 2021 8:46:01 GMT -6
5-years $150-200 million...but I'd hesitate to do even that. Between his history of injury and history of disappearing for weeks...I'm not sure he'd even be worth it. I know some of you will squawk about his playoff success, but the 162 games in the season count too. No way would I offer Correa a dime over $151 million or a day over 5 years. When Altuve signed his extension in March 2018 he was coming off an incredible 4-year run in which he won an MVP award, 4 silver slugger awards, a gold glove, made 4 all-star teams and accumulated 25.1 WAR. At the time he signed his extension he was already signed for the 2018 and 2019 seasons. His extension added 5 years to his deal. He was paid a $21 million bonus for years 2018-2019 plus $26 million per year for years 2020-2024. Basically he signed a deal that paid him $151 million for an additional 5 years. Correa has done nothing that comes close to what Altuve has accomplished yet he apparently thinks he is entitled to be paid more than Altuve. If he won’t sign for 5 years $151 million or less, piss on him. By the way, have any of you been paying attention to the year our old nemesis Marcus Semien is having for Toronto? His numbers put Correa in the shade. Semien will be a free agent next season. I know he is 31 years old, but I would sign him to a 3 year deal in a heartbeat. But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 11, 2021 8:48:58 GMT -6
No way would I offer Correa a dime over $151 million or a day over 5 years. When Altuve signed his extension in March 2018 he was coming off an incredible 4-year run in which he won an MVP award, 4 silver slugger awards, a gold glove, made 4 all-star teams and accumulated 25.1 WAR. At the time he signed his extension he was already signed for the 2018 and 2019 seasons. His extension added 5 years to his deal. He was paid a $21 million bonus for years 2018-2019 plus $26 million per year for years 2020-2024. Basically he signed a deal that paid him $151 million for an additional 5 years. Correa has done nothing that comes close to what Altuve has accomplished yet he apparently thinks he is entitled to be paid more than Altuve. If he won’t sign for 5 years $151 million or less, piss on him. By the way, have any of you been paying attention to the year our old nemesis Marcus Semien is having for Toronto? His numbers put Correa in the shade. Semien will be a free agent next season. I know he is 31 years old, but I would sign him to a 3 year deal in a heartbeat. But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. Do you think there's going to be a vast difference of how Carlos and his agent value himself over what the Astros do? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 11, 2021 8:49:31 GMT -6
But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. Do you think there's going to be a vast difference of how Carlos and his agent value himself over what the Astros do? Oh yes. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 11, 2021 8:53:12 GMT -6
No way would I offer Correa a dime over $151 million or a day over 5 years. When Altuve signed his extension in March 2018 he was coming off an incredible 4-year run in which he won an MVP award, 4 silver slugger awards, a gold glove, made 4 all-star teams and accumulated 25.1 WAR. At the time he signed his extension he was already signed for the 2018 and 2019 seasons. His extension added 5 years to his deal. He was paid a $21 million bonus for years 2018-2019 plus $26 million per year for years 2020-2024. Basically he signed a deal that paid him $151 million for an additional 5 years. Correa has done nothing that comes close to what Altuve has accomplished yet he apparently thinks he is entitled to be paid more than Altuve. If he won’t sign for 5 years $151 million or less, piss on him. By the way, have any of you been paying attention to the year our old nemesis Marcus Semien is having for Toronto? His numbers put Correa in the shade. Semien will be a free agent next season. I know he is 31 years old, but I would sign him to a 3 year deal in a heartbeat. But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. This is his contract year, seemingly the best it's going to ever be; and for a while, he was looking elite. Now, he has had a big stretch of being below average at the plate. Olpapa had a point, Altuve production warranted a great pay raise. Carlos past production is not near as good as Altuve, so it's being based on potential? Do you greatly overpay based on potential as opposed to previous production? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 11, 2021 8:54:51 GMT -6
Do you think there's going to be a vast difference of how Carlos and his agent value himself over what the Astros do? Oh yes. Are we talking AAV, contracted years or both? Which one of the two, AAV or contracted years, is the value difference between the two part of the most vast? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 11, 2021 9:00:30 GMT -6
But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. Do you think there's going to be a vast difference of how Carlos and his agent value himself over what the Astros do? Of course, AEB the contract they already offered him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 11, 2021 9:06:20 GMT -6
Do you think there's going to be a vast difference of how Carlos and his agent value himself over what the Astros do? Of course, AEB the contract they already offered him. Considering his production up to that point, the final offer of 5 years/125M was not bad. Based on 2021, factoring his recent decline in production and FA going rate, I think at best Astros offer 5 years/$150M with a 6th year option. Of course this can change, he can start producing again, or come playoffs time, he kicks into gear |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 11, 2021 9:07:20 GMT -6
Of course, AEB the contract they already offered him. Considering his production up to that point, the final offer of 5 years/125M was not bad. Based on 2021, factoring his recent decline in production and FA going rate, I think at best Astros offer 5 years/$150M with a 6th year option. Of course this can change, he can start producing again, or come playoffs time, he kicks into gear All true |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 11, 2021 9:08:37 GMT -6
But do you think he can maintain it past this year? He had a really good year before and then immediately pulled a Marwin. This is his contract year, seemingly the best it's going to ever be; and for a while, he was looking elite. Now, he has had a big stretch of being below average at the plate. Olpapa had a point, Altuve production warranted a great pay raise. Carlos past production is not near as good as Altuve, so it's being based on potential? Do you greatly overpay based on potential as opposed to previous production? if he doesn't get back to the level of production we saw before this strange "sickness" they said he had, he probably needs to lower his contract demands, but, don't expect his agent to go for it. The choice the Astros have to make is whether they give Correa enough to keep him or end up with a SS that is not close to his level defensively nor capable of being a better run producer. He has proven to be clutch in September and the post-season. If he can do that again, he will get close to what he wants. We have nobody in our farm system to replace him. Guys like Baez and Story will be available, but, neither is as good as Correa. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 11, 2021 9:09:13 GMT -6
Are we talking AAV, contracted years or both? Which one of the two, AAV or contracted years, is the value difference between the two part of the most vast? I don't think the Astros will go over 6 years and $180 million. I think CC will be wanting a minimum of 8 years and $200+. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 11, 2021 9:11:39 GMT -6
Of course, AEB the contract they already offered him. Considering his production up to that point, the final offer of 5 years/125M was not bad. Based on 2021, factoring his recent decline in production and FA going rate, I think at best Astros offer 5 years/$150M with a 6th year option. Of course this can change, he can start producing again, or come playoffs time, he kicks into gear At the present, the final offer you mention is more than reasonable. 5 years with an option at $30 million a year should satisfy him. There is no way of knowing how he would react to it. He knows we need him, and, I think he likes playing here and with Altuve and the rest. What happens with him will be the key to the off season. |
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