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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 11, 2021 22:27:18 GMT -6
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 12, 2021 3:22:42 GMT -6
Correa's such a streaky hitter I didn't think a team would give him 10 years. The way he's hitting now he won't get 9 years |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 12, 2021 3:54:23 GMT -6
Correa's such a streaky hitter I didn't think a team would give him 10 years. The way he's hitting now he won't get 9 years Maybe not 8 |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 12, 2021 6:06:59 GMT -6
Difference between #2 and #6 is that #2 will more than likely never be worn by another Astro. It will one day be in the rafters! Well said grasshopper, but can you walk on the rice paper without leaving a mark? Or catch a fly with chopsticks? |
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Post by m240 on Aug 12, 2021 6:14:11 GMT -6
I tried real hard to figure out how to keep Correa and allow him to keep his crazy notion that he needs record breaking dollars on a long term deal. That was really a bridge too far. If he wants more than 5 years let him walk. Offer him money that allows you to keep Alvarez, Tucker, and a few of the starters as they are coming along in behind him.
if I ever doubted it, I doubt it no longer. The secret to a consistently strong offense is to be 11 bats deep with men who can deliver at an ops of 750 or better. Having that many guys keeps you rested, protected from injury, and out of prolonged scoring slumps. When Guirrel and Bregman get back we will be up to 9.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 12, 2021 9:52:52 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Aug 12, 2021 10:55:46 GMT -6
Prospect rankings make for interesting conversation, but what matters to me is what a player does on the field. Lots of no name players in the minor leagues outperform the so-called top prospects.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 12, 2021 11:10:03 GMT -6
Prospect rankings make for interesting conversation, but what matters to me is what a player does on the field. Lots of no name players in the minor leagues outperform the so-called top prospects. Lots of top prospects end up being flops while low round draft picks become stars in the major leagues. To prove the point, compare Phil Nevin and Todd Van Poppel to Roy Oswalt. There is no such thing as a "can't miss". I think this was the label Nolan Ryan attached to Forrest Whitley, and, we see how that is turning out. Of course, Nolan didn't know he would have a suspension and all types of injury issues. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 12, 2021 13:32:04 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 12, 2021 14:14:55 GMT -6
Castro did start for us at one time. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 12, 2021 14:28:24 GMT -6
Castro did start for us at one time. He had a great season and several average at best ones. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 12, 2021 15:03:37 GMT -6
Castro did start for us at one time. He had a great season and several average at best ones. The last year he was here, the main thing I remember about him is how he would take third called strikes with runners on base and then drag his ass back to the dugout after looking at the umpire like it was his fault. Most of the time when he was called out, there was no question that he had taken a strike. Frankly, I was glad they let him walk. This time, after a wasted year with Garneau, I was OK with re-signing him. I'll be glad when Korey Lee is ready. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 12, 2021 16:00:20 GMT -6
He had a great season and several average at best ones. The last year he was here, the main thing I remember about him is how he would take third called strikes with runners on base and then drag his ass back to the dugout after looking at the umpire like it was his fault. Most of the time when he was called out, there was no question that he had taken a strike. Frankly, I was glad they let him walk. This time, after a wasted year with Garneau, I was OK with re-signing him. I'll be glad when Korey Lee is ready. Garneau is one name I am glad I don't have to hear anymore. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 12, 2021 16:34:50 GMT -6
The last year he was here, the main thing I remember about him is how he would take third called strikes with runners on base and then drag his ass back to the dugout after looking at the umpire like it was his fault. Most of the time when he was called out, there was no question that he had taken a strike. Frankly, I was glad they let him walk. This time, after a wasted year with Garneau, I was OK with re-signing him. I'll be glad when Korey Lee is ready. Garneau is one name I am glad I don't have to hear anymore. You and me both. Robel is another name I hope to never hear again. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 12, 2021 16:38:59 GMT -6
The last year he was here, the main thing I remember about him is how he would take third called strikes with runners on base and then drag his ass back to the dugout after looking at the umpire like it was his fault. Most of the time when he was called out, there was no question that he had taken a strike. Frankly, I was glad they let him walk. This time, after a wasted year with Garneau, I was OK with re-signing him. I'll be glad when Korey Lee is ready. Garneau is one name I am glad I don't have to hear anymore. Garneau was terrible. At least Robel had one memorable hit. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 13, 2021 8:32:59 GMT -6
Prospect rankings make for interesting conversation, but what matters to me is what a player does on the field. Lots of no name players in the minor leagues outperform the so-called top prospects. Top prospects are more likely to eventually become impact players than lower ranking players but prospect ranking doesn't guarantee squat. Draft is even less reliable Justin Verlander was taken first round in the 2004 draft, 2nd overall pick. His career lived up to expectations. Matt Bush was taken first round in the 2004 draft, FIRST overall pick. His career has been unremarkable. Delmon Young was taken first round in the 2003 draft, FIRST overall pick. He was #1 on Baseball Prospectus' Top 50 list in 2006 (JV was #15 that year) Delmon's career has been unremarkable. A LOT of players build their skills in the minors through hard work and determination. They fly under the radar of the 'top prospect' rankings, then earn their way to the bigs and rock the house. Was Jose Altuve ever a top prospect? I don't think so. But his career has been remarkable! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 13, 2021 10:58:35 GMT -6
Prospect rankings make for interesting conversation, but what matters to me is what a player does on the field. Lots of no name players in the minor leagues outperform the so-called top prospects. Top prospects are more likely to eventually become impact players than lower ranking players but prospect ranking doesn't guarantee squat. Draft is even less reliable Justin Verlander was taken first round in the 2004 draft, 2nd overall pick. His career lived up to expectations. Matt Bush was taken first round in the 2004 draft, FIRST overall pick. His career has been unremarkable. Delmon Young was taken first round in the 2003 draft, FIRST overall pick. He was #1 on Baseball Prospectus' Top 50 list in 2006 (JV was #15 that year) Delmon's career has been unremarkable. A LOT of players build their skills in the minors through hard work and determination. They fly under the radar of the 'top prospect' rankings, then earn their way to the bigs and rock the house. Was Jose Altuve ever a top prospect? I don't think so. But his career has been remarkable! Chipper Jones was a number 1 pick, and he was, well, never mind. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 11:14:47 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.php |
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Post by m240 on Aug 13, 2021 11:45:09 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.phpValid point. Another valid point is Altuve agreed to sign a short term extension. If Correa would agree to a similar deal then it would be a no brained. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 12:15:12 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.phpValid point. Another valid point is Altuve agreed to sign a short term extension. If Correa would agree to a similar deal then it would be a no brained. Altuve signed a 7yr/$163 million dollar deal. If Carlos is really wanting a longer extension at $30 million, he is not being realistic. At least Correa is not being represented by Scott Boras so that could help in negotiations. If he wants more than 5yrs/$150 million with an option for a 6th year, I doubt if we give it to him. Someone else might, and, we have to decide if overpaying him is worth it instead of settling for a lesser SS. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 13, 2021 12:21:22 GMT -6
Valid point. Another valid point is Altuve agreed to sign a short term extension. If Correa would agree to a similar deal then it would be a no brained. Altuve signed a 7yr/$163 million dollar deal. If Carlos is really wanting a longer extension at $30 million, he is not being realistic. At least Correa is not being represented by Scott Boras so that could help in negotiations. If he wants more than 5yrs/$150 million with an option for a 6th year, I doubt if we give it to him. Someone else might, and, we have to decide if overpaying him is worth it instead of settling for a lesser SS. Remember though on Altuve’s deal bought out the last two year options that the Astros had at real low prices. His aav on the New Years added was around 30 million as best as I can remember. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 13, 2021 12:49:40 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.phpAltuve's power numbers are there, but his average, hits, doubles, steals are not there, as opposed to what he providing leading up to contract extension in the 2017-2018 offseason. And his 2021 current numbers are slightly better than Correa's (who is in his contract year), how do you justify giving more money and years to Correa than what was given to Altuve? Altuve numbers leading up to his extension were off the charts, but Carlos' are not. If Correa gets a 5+ year deal/$150M+ then he got a better deal than Altuve, and it less warranted. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 13, 2021 13:49:12 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.phpAltuve's power numbers are there, but his average, hits, doubles, steals are not there, as opposed to what he providing leading up to contract extension in the 2017-2018 offseason. And his 2021 current numbers are slightly better than Correa's (who is in his contract year), how do you justify giving more money and years to Correa than what was given to Altuve? Altuve numbers leading up to his extension were off the charts, but Carlos' are not. If Correa gets a 5+ year deal/$150M+ then he got a better deal than Altuve, and it less warranted. Correa can just say he plays a more demanding position with better defense and that he has a similar batting average. He can always talk up with postseason walkoff history. Of course, he won’t mention how he goes MIA at times on offense while taking endless meatball pitches, but the other information is enough to get him well paid. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 13, 2021 14:14:49 GMT -6
Altuve's power numbers are there, but his average, hits, doubles, steals are not there, as opposed to what he providing leading up to contract extension in the 2017-2018 offseason. And his 2021 current numbers are slightly better than Correa's (who is in his contract year), how do you justify giving more money and years to Correa than what was given to Altuve? Altuve numbers leading up to his extension were off the charts, but Carlos' are not. If Correa gets a 5+ year deal/$150M+ then he got a better deal than Altuve, and it less warranted. Correa can just say he plays a more demanding position with better defense and that he has a similar batting average. He can always talk up with postseason walkoff history. Of course, he won’t mention how he goes MIA at times on offense while taking endless meatball pitches, but the other information is enough to get him well paid. But Altuve got that extension off years being the hits leader 3 or 4 times, and being an MVP. After Correa's contract is up, his resume/accomplishments pale in comparison to what Altuve's were after the 2017 season....So 2017 Altuve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 Correa..... I just think we are fooling ourselves if we think the Astros are going to offer Carlos 8 years+/240M+ deal...They shouldn't.....5 years/150M is better than what was offered to Altuve, and is very respectable. I still like my idea the other day for Correa: 3 years/$110M to Correa, and team options for years $40 M in years 4 and 5. Highest paid player on the team for the next 3 years. Plus, if he can consistently live up to his ability, in years 4 and 5, the Astros would have the option on paying him $40M a year. Unless things change, he would be one of the highest paid players in baseball. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 14:25:16 GMT -6
We have been watching Correa go through an extended slump, and, he has been getting bashed by most of us, and, most of it is deserved. He has been taking too many center cut fastballs that he should hit and going after pitches off the plate. Yordan has been doing the same thing a lot of the time. Even after this long slump, it is interesting to compare the overall numbers of Carlos Correa to those of Jose Altuve. I think we can see the overall production of the two is not that far apart. www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/carlos-correa-jose-altuve.phpAltuve's power numbers are there, but his average, hits, doubles, steals are not there, as opposed to what he providing leading up to contract extension in the 2017-2018 offseason. And his 2021 current numbers are slightly better than Correa's (who is in his contract year), how do you justify giving more money and years to Correa than what was given to Altuve? Altuve numbers leading up to his extension were off the charts, but Carlos' are not. If Correa gets a 5+ year deal/$150M+ then he got a better deal than Altuve, and it less warranted. I agree, But, the fact remains that we will probably have to decide to give Correa at least that much or have to find another SS who isn't as good. Yes, it's a better deal than Altuve got, and, Jose deserved what he got more than Correa deserves what he will get from us or another team. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 14:30:58 GMT -6
Altuve's power numbers are there, but his average, hits, doubles, steals are not there, as opposed to what he providing leading up to contract extension in the 2017-2018 offseason. And his 2021 current numbers are slightly better than Correa's (who is in his contract year), how do you justify giving more money and years to Correa than what was given to Altuve? Altuve numbers leading up to his extension were off the charts, but Carlos' are not. If Correa gets a 5+ year deal/$150M+ then he got a better deal than Altuve, and it less warranted. Correa can just say he plays a more demanding position with better defense and that he has a similar batting average. He can always talk up with postseason walkoff history. Of course, he won’t mention how he goes MIA at times on offense while taking endless meatball pitches, but the other information is enough to get him well paid. All of them go MIA at times on offense, including Altuve. Carlos DOES play a more demanding position and he is a better defensive SS than Jose is a 2B. Jose is a good second baseman, but, I wouldn't put his defense in the elite category. Carlos takes "meatball" pitches at times and swings at pitches out of the zone, and, that is exactly what Yordan does at times. Jose often gets in the habit of going to the plate and just hacking away at whatever he sees. Often, he gets himself out without ever seeing a pitch in the zone. Replacing Correa's defense would be right at impossible. He is also a clutch hitter in the post-season and usually comes through in September. He is due to break out of his slump. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2021 14:33:17 GMT -6
Altuve signed a 7yr/$163 million dollar deal. If Carlos is really wanting a longer extension at $30 million, he is not being realistic. At least Correa is not being represented by Scott Boras so that could help in negotiations. If he wants more than 5yrs/$150 million with an option for a 6th year, I doubt if we give it to him. Someone else might, and, we have to decide if overpaying him is worth it instead of settling for a lesser SS. Remember though on Altuve’s deal bought out the last two year options that the Astros had at real low prices. His aav on the New Years added was around 30 million as best as I can remember. At the time Altuve signed his extension in March 2018, he was already under contract for 2018 at $6 million and 2019 at $6.5 million. His extension paid him a $21 million signing bonus ($1 million paid upon approval of the contract, $10 million paid on 7/1/2018 and $10 million paid on 7/1/2019) and then added 5 years to his contract at $26 million per year. So his extension added $151 million and 5 years (plus some incentives and perks) to the 2-year deal he already had with the team. You are correct. In reality he signed a 5-year extension for $151 million... slightly over $30 million AAV. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2021 15:07:50 GMT -6
If Correa cannot be re-signed, what would you think of offering Trevor Story a one-year “pillow” contract. This year’s FA class is loaded with big-name shortstops. The 2022-2023 FA class? Not so much. If I’m not mistaken, the only big name SS in the 2022-2023 FA class is Trea Turner and I would be willing to bet that the Dodgers will pay him whatever necessary to keep him in LA.
The big knock on Story is that his numbers aren’t legit because he plays his home games at Coors field. If Story was willing to bet on himself and sign a one-year deal, he would have a year to prove his worth without benefit of playing at Coors and then would likely be the biggest name available among FA shortstops in the 2022-2023 offseason.
Toronto is reaping big dividends this season from signing Marcus Semien to a pillow contract.
Pena should be ready to step in by 2023.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 15:18:03 GMT -6
If Correa cannot be re-signed, what would you think of offering Trevor Story a one-year “pillow” contract. This year’s FA class is loaded with big-name shortstops. The 2022-2023 FA class? Not so much. If I’m not mistaken, the only big name SS in the 2022-2023 FA class is Trea Turner and I would be willing to bet that the Dodgers will pay him whatever necessary to keep him in LA. The big knock on Story is that his numbers aren’t legit because he plays his home games at Coors field. If Story was willing to bet on himself and sign a one-year deal, he would have a year to prove his worth without benefit of playing at Coors and then would likely be the biggest name available among FA shortstops in the 2022-2023 offseason. Toronto is reaping big dividends this season from signing Marcus Semien to a pillow contract. Pena should be ready to step in by 2023. Not a bad idea. If we can't re-sign Correa, what do you think of offering Semien a two-year deal before making an offer to Story? |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2021 15:23:23 GMT -6
If Correa cannot be re-signed, what would you think of offering Trevor Story a one-year “pillow” contract. This year’s FA class is loaded with big-name shortstops. The 2022-2023 FA class? Not so much. If I’m not mistaken, the only big name SS in the 2022-2023 FA class is Trea Turner and I would be willing to bet that the Dodgers will pay him whatever necessary to keep him in LA. The big knock on Story is that his numbers aren’t legit because he plays his home games at Coors field. If Story was willing to bet on himself and sign a one-year deal, he would have a year to prove his worth without benefit of playing at Coors and then would likely be the biggest name available among FA shortstops in the 2022-2023 offseason. Toronto is reaping big dividends this season from signing Marcus Semien to a pillow contract. Pena should be ready to step in by 2023. Not a bad idea. If we can't re-sign Correa, what do you think of offering Semien a two-year deal before making an offer to Story? I would absolutely offer Semien a two-year deal. Heck I would offer him a three-year deal. |
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