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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:05:54 GMT -6
You must not be looking for it. If he hasn't, who has? Sure in the hell not Correa. I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 24, 2021 14:06:23 GMT -6
We were blowing games to bottom feeders well before August.........we were swept by the Rockies, Rangers, Orioles, and Tigers earlier in the season. There was no excuse for that just as there is no excuse for they have played the Royals. I'm tired of hearing "just wait until we get our guys back". We beat the top teams while Bregman was out so that excuse is lame. We were blowing games earlier due to a weak bullpen.......that was supposedly corrected. But, Yimi Garcia and Maton have been inconsistent. Getting Urquidy back will help the rotation. Good teams know how to overcome "issues" instead of using them as excuses for playing bad baseball. Bad baseball? They're the 2nd best team in the AL record-wise, and they've been in mostly healthy control of the AL West for a long time now despite not having their full team. All teams are going to lose games, whether to good or bad teams. They're just barely off the pace of winning 100 games again. I think we're seeing a case of fans not managing their own expectations since expectations have been so high for several years now. Coming into this season, we had a questionable OF, and a questionable rotation. Our only proven blocks were the infield, Greinke, and Pressly. And half of our infield had awful 2020 seasons and we didn't know if they would even bounce back. Despite all of that, we've learned that our OF is actually pretty damn good with good depth, our rotation is so good that we have a guy with a 2.84 ERA pitching in long relief despite having a starter on the IL, and the half of the infield that stunk it up last year are having all-star caliber seasons. They're, right now, on pace for 96 wins and are leading the division by 3.5 games with less than 40 games to go. I don't think there is a poster on this board that wouldn't have been more than happy with that if it was offered before the season started. Preach on, my brother! |
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 14:06:41 GMT -6
I usually watch games out of the corner of my eye while doing something else. How many times has Yimi had a bad outing since we got him? He's had 9 appearances with us, and has given up an earned run or more 3 times in those games. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 24, 2021 14:07:01 GMT -6
Sure in the hell not Correa. I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? Never said "Breggie" was a leader. Why bring him into the conversation? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 14:07:03 GMT -6
Verlander is more of a team leader than Correa. So, a guy who hasn't been around since his first start of 2020 is a leader. LOL LOL LOL Your hatred of Correa is clouding your judgement. Two questions: 1. Besides talking Urquidy down last year, what else has Correa done that was "leadership". 2. If Correa is such a great leader, why have you recently been bitching on this very forum about how the team does not have any player leadership? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 24, 2021 14:07:41 GMT -6
Sure in the hell not Correa. I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? If I had to pick the team leader, I would vote Uncle Mike. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 14:09:16 GMT -6
I usually watch games out of the corner of my eye while doing something else. How many times has Yimi had a bad outing since we got him? He's had 9 appearances with us, and has given up an earned run or more 3 times in those games. That's what I figured, since it was the forum Corky who said he'd sucked in all of his appearances. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 14:10:01 GMT -6
I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? Never said "Breggie" was a leader. Why bring him into the conversation? Buuuuuuuutttttt littttttlllleeee Breeeeegggggiiiiiie |
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 14:15:16 GMT -6
He's had 9 appearances with us, and has given up an earned run or more 3 times in those games. That's what I figured, since it was the forum Corky who said he'd sucked in all of his appearances. He certainly hasn't been great, but I still think it was a good pickup to help shore up the bullpen. The prospect we gave up hadn't done much in the minors until this year, so I feel like he was pretty cheap too. The Maton deal has been more disappointing... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:15:25 GMT -6
We were blowing games to bottom feeders well before August.........we were swept by the Rockies, Rangers, Orioles, and Tigers earlier in the season. There was no excuse for that just as there is no excuse for they have played the Royals. I'm tired of hearing "just wait until we get our guys back". We beat the top teams while Bregman was out so that excuse is lame. We were blowing games earlier due to a weak bullpen.......that was supposedly corrected. But, Yimi Garcia and Maton have been inconsistent. Getting Urquidy back will help the rotation. Good teams know how to overcome "issues" instead of using them as excuses for playing bad baseball. Bad baseball? They're the 2nd best team in the AL record-wise, and they've been in mostly healthy control of the AL West for a long time now despite not having their full team. All teams are going to lose games, whether to good or bad teams. They're just barely off the pace of winning 100 games again. I think we're seeing a case of fans not managing their own expectations since expectations have been so high for several years now. Coming into this season, we had a questionable OF, and a questionable rotation. Our only proven blocks were the infield, Greinke, and Pressly. And half of our infield had awful 2020 seasons and we didn't know if they would even bounce back. Despite all of that, we've learned that our OF is actually pretty damn good with good depth, our rotation is so good that we have a guy with a 2.84 ERA pitching in long relief despite having a starter on the IL, and the half of the infield that stunk it up last year are having all-star caliber seasons. They're, right now, on pace for 96 wins and are leading the division by 3.5 games with less than 40 games to go. I don't think there is a poster on this board that wouldn't have been more than happy with that if it was offered before the season started. I don't give a rat's ass what their record is. They have still played bad baseball against teams they should hammer. If they had won half the games they have handed to KC, Twins, Tigers, Orioles, and Rangers, we'd be on the way to having a playoff spot clinched. Instead, they have not been ready to play and have looked totally uninspired. We have had some injuries to deal with like the other teams. Fortunately, we have had Diaz and Meyers to step up and produce when others did not. The fact that they are on pace to win 96 doesn't disprove the fact that they have played bad, uninspired baseball against bottom feeders. The White Sox and Indians are the top two in the AL Central. Our record against them is 11-3 while we were dominated by the bottom three in that division. We were ready to play the two better teams and just showed up and went through the motions against the others. But, the worst was being swept at home by the Tigers and Orioles. Then, we tanked three straight against the damn Rangers. We are a very good team who have done well overall, but, we have not played to the level we should against the weaker teams. We played down to their level. We have seen it all season and it continues. It's ridiculous. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:17:07 GMT -6
I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? Never said "Breggie" was a leader. Why bring him into the conversation? Because that was as ridiculous as you claiming Correa hasn't been a leader. You still haven't said who is providing leadership. It damn sure ain't the manager. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 24, 2021 14:18:42 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:19:05 GMT -6
He's had 9 appearances with us, and has given up an earned run or more 3 times in those games. That's what I figured, since it was the forum Corky who said he'd sucked in all of his appearances. If you didn't see the games, how can you judge the job he's done? When we got him, we were told how great he is, but, I haven't seen it. He was terrible last night and overall has been mediocre at best. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 14:19:18 GMT -6
I think Correa is a leader. I think Correa is one of the best shortstops in baseball defensively, and he's a very good hitter when he's healthy.
That being said, he just hasn't been consistent enough to warrant more than $210 million and a 7-year deal to me. That is the most I would go.
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 14:20:17 GMT -6
Bad baseball? They're the 2nd best team in the AL record-wise, and they've been in mostly healthy control of the AL West for a long time now despite not having their full team. All teams are going to lose games, whether to good or bad teams. They're just barely off the pace of winning 100 games again. I think we're seeing a case of fans not managing their own expectations since expectations have been so high for several years now. Coming into this season, we had a questionable OF, and a questionable rotation. Our only proven blocks were the infield, Greinke, and Pressly. And half of our infield had awful 2020 seasons and we didn't know if they would even bounce back. Despite all of that, we've learned that our OF is actually pretty damn good with good depth, our rotation is so good that we have a guy with a 2.84 ERA pitching in long relief despite having a starter on the IL, and the half of the infield that stunk it up last year are having all-star caliber seasons. They're, right now, on pace for 96 wins and are leading the division by 3.5 games with less than 40 games to go. I don't think there is a poster on this board that wouldn't have been more than happy with that if it was offered before the season started. I don't give a rat's ass what their record is. They have still played bad baseball against teams they should hammer. If they had won half the games they have handed to KC, Twins, Tigers, Orioles, and Rangers, we'd be on the way to having a playoff spot clinched. Instead, they have not been ready to play and have looked totally uninspired. We have had some injuries to deal with like the other teams. Fortunately, we have had Diaz and Meyers to step up and produce when others did not. The fact that they are on pace to win 96 doesn't disprove the fact that they have played bad, uninspired baseball against bottom feeders. The White Sox and Indians are the top two in the AL Central. Our record against them is 11-3 while we were dominated by the bottom three in that division. We were ready to play the two better teams and just showed up and went through the motions against the others. But, the worst was being swept at home by the Tigers and Orioles. Then, we tanked three straight against the damn Rangers. We are a very good team who have done well overall, but, we have not played to the level we should against the weaker teams. We played down to their level. We have seen it all season and it continues. It's ridiculous. So basically you think they should be winning 125+ games this season despite all of the areas of concern we had going into this season? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2021 14:22:09 GMT -6
Did you not watch last year’s postseason run? He also stood up for Altuve when the others were busy on their knees apologizing to people who’d never accept it. Verlander is more of a team leader than Correa. I think they’re both leaders. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2021 14:23:02 GMT -6
Sure in the hell not Correa. I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? In fairness, Correa’s teammates had to deal with him recuperating from massage trauma. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 14:26:32 GMT -6
I guess you think the little wuss, Breggie, is a leader. Correa has been here doing his job while Breggie has been on vacation nursing his little quad that can't seem to heal.........You say Correa isn't the leader, so, I ask you again. who is? In fairness, Correa’s teammates had to deal with him recuperating from massage trauma. For which Corky bitched unceasingly for several months, wishing that Correa would be traded or cut because he was so worthless. Now he spends all day wallowing Correa's nuts on his tongue. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:27:57 GMT -6
I don't give a rat's ass what their record is. They have still played bad baseball against teams they should hammer. If they had won half the games they have handed to KC, Twins, Tigers, Orioles, and Rangers, we'd be on the way to having a playoff spot clinched. Instead, they have not been ready to play and have looked totally uninspired. We have had some injuries to deal with like the other teams. Fortunately, we have had Diaz and Meyers to step up and produce when others did not. The fact that they are on pace to win 96 doesn't disprove the fact that they have played bad, uninspired baseball against bottom feeders. The White Sox and Indians are the top two in the AL Central. Our record against them is 11-3 while we were dominated by the bottom three in that division. We were ready to play the two better teams and just showed up and went through the motions against the others. But, the worst was being swept at home by the Tigers and Orioles. Then, we tanked three straight against the damn Rangers. We are a very good team who have done well overall, but, we have not played to the level we should against the weaker teams. We played down to their level. We have seen it all season and it continues. It's ridiculous. So basically you think they should be winning 125+ games this season despite all of the areas of concern we had going into this season? I didn't say that. What I am saying is there is no excuse for playing so badly against weaker teams and playing like champs against the better teams, which is exactly what they have done all season. We have a good record and we are better than expected, but, when you get satisfied, you start going backwards. With a reinforced bullpen, the arrival of Jake Meyers (who has been a pleasant surprise), the emergence of Chas McCormick, etc. we are better than most people thought. I thought we'd win the division from the beginning and we should do that. But, we should be more than 3.5 games ahead of Oakland. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2021 14:29:12 GMT -6
In fairness, Correa’s teammates had to deal with him recuperating from massage trauma. For which Corky bitched unceasingly for several months, wishing that Correa would be traded or cut because he was so worthless. Now he spends all day wallowing Correa's nuts on his tongue. LMFAO |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:31:24 GMT -6
In fairness, Correa’s teammates had to deal with him recuperating from massage trauma. For which Corky bitched unceasingly for several months, wishing that Correa would be traded or cut because he was so worthless. Now he spends all day wallowing Correa's nuts on his tongue. And, when do you show up unless it's to bash Correa or some other player other than you hero, Jose? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 24, 2021 14:32:07 GMT -6
Never said "Breggie" was a leader. Why bring him into the conversation? Because that was as ridiculous as you claiming Correa hasn't been a leader. You still haven't said who is providing leadership. It damn sure ain't the manager. Now you have to bring Dusty into it. Both guys I support you attack. I said if I had to pick a leader it would be Uncle Mike. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:33:07 GMT -6
For which Corky bitched unceasingly for several months, wishing that Correa would be traded or cut because he was so worthless. Now he spends all day wallowing Correa's nuts on his tongue. LMFAO To him, any player is fair game for bashing and criticism unless it's Jose.....that is a sin. LOL LOL |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:36:58 GMT -6
Because that was as ridiculous as you claiming Correa hasn't been a leader. You still haven't said who is providing leadership. It damn sure ain't the manager. Now you have to bring Dusty into it. Both guys I support you attack. I said if I had to pick a leader it would be Uncle Mike. Managers are supposed to be leaders. I don't see that trait in Dusty. If you do, that is your right. Mike is the kind of leader who leads by example. I don't think he would be the type to say a lot in the clubhouse. We need a veteran who will speak up and address this issue of not being ready to play against weaker teams. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 14:38:18 GMT -6
On another note, the Mariners lead the A's 3-1 this afternoon.
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 14:42:55 GMT -6
So basically you think they should be winning 125+ games this season despite all of the areas of concern we had going into this season? I didn't say that. What I am saying is there is no excuse for playing so badly against weaker teams and playing like champs against the better teams, which is exactly what they have done all season. We have a good record and we are better than expected, but, when you get satisfied, you start going backwards. With a reinforced bullpen, the arrival of Jake Meyers (who has been a pleasant surprise), the emergence of Chas McCormick, etc. we are better than most people thought. I thought we'd win the division from the beginning and we should do that. But, we should be more than 3.5 games ahead of Oakland. No, that is exactlywhat you're saying. They've been so good against the good teams, that if they were just as good against the bad teams they'd be winning 125+ games this season breaking all types of records. This is a good team, but they're not a record-breaking team. Even the best teams blow games they should win. We've just blown a few more than we would like against the bad teams, and have managed to hold on and win some that we probably shouldn't have against the better teams. Things generally balance out. The same thing is happening this year, just a little more differently than we would expect. That's baseball. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 15:00:05 GMT -6
We won't be playing the bad teams in the playoffs.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 15:20:56 GMT -6
So, a guy who hasn't been around since his first start of 2020 is a leader. LOL LOL LOL Your hatred of Correa is clouding your judgement. Two questions: 1. Besides talking Urquidy down last year, what else has Correa done that was "leadership". 2. If Correa is such a great leader, why have you recently been bitching on this very forum about how the team does not have any player leadership? 1.I have seen him go to the mound to help settle down Valdez, Garcia, Javier which seemed to help. He is also the best defensive player we have. 2. I have said that if we have had any leadership among the veterans, it came from Correa. If he hasn't provided it, I will ask you the same thing I asked abregmanfan.....Who has provided it? Correa may not have provided a lot of it, but, I haven't noticed anyone provide more. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 15:24:28 GMT -6
There quite obviously hasn't been any.
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Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 15:30:17 GMT -6
What does leadership look like to y'all? What makes you think that "leadership" isn't happening in the clubhouse or in the dugout?
Just because we aren't seeing somebody yell at a teammate on the field, doesn't mean it isn't happening. "Veteran leadership" is the same thing as "playing with no fire" to me. Losing teams are always "not playing with fire" and have no "veteran leadership". All of a sudden when they're winning they're not lacking any of that.
Sometimes team just lose. They stink for a while, or the other team stinks a little less. There isn't always some grand answer or cause.
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