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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 17:50:25 GMT -6
What is Vlad's fastball sitting at? Can you imagine how good Ohtani would be if Strom was his pitching coach? Seriously, coming from a huge Strom fan. Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 27, 2021 17:55:09 GMT -6
Can you imagine how good Ohtani would be if Strom was his pitching coach? Seriously, coming from a huge Strom fan. Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 18:00:15 GMT -6
Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 27, 2021 18:06:07 GMT -6
I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. I respect that. I am a big fan of Strom. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 27, 2021 18:26:27 GMT -6
I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. Corch 2.0, you're better than that....at least go a little higher, Nathan 2.0 |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 27, 2021 18:41:28 GMT -6
I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. Corch 2.0, you're better than that....at least go a little higher, Nathan 2.0  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 21:51:34 GMT -6
Can you imagine how good Ohtani would be if Strom was his pitching coach? Seriously, coming from a huge Strom fan. Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. I wish you would explain what you are going on by continuing to belittle Brent Strom. He has proven to be one of the top pitching coaches in the game. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 21:52:52 GMT -6
I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. In other words, you like to jump on and off the bandwagon? All he can do is teach......he doesn't go to the mound and execute the pitches. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 21:53:21 GMT -6
Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. I wish you would explain what you are going on by continuing to belittle Brent Strom. He has proven to be one of the top pitching coaches in the game. Anything that isn’t a declaration that Strom is a Messiah is considered a belittling. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 21:53:41 GMT -6
Strom is y’all’s Reverend Jim Jones. I was thinking more of David Koresh. Either way, I will stand with him. I am glad that you stand with our elite pitching coach while also standing with our dumbass manager. LOL |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 21:53:48 GMT -6
I stand with him when the pitching is great. When it’s not, I stand against him. People treat him as if we’ve just had four straight championships. In other words, you like to jump on and off the bandwagon? All he can do is teach......he doesn't go to the mound and execute the pitches. Why isn’t the same logic applied to Dusty? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 21:55:42 GMT -6
I wish you would explain what you are going on by continuing to belittle Brent Strom. He has proven to be one of the top pitching coaches in the game. Anything that isn’t a declaration that Strom is a Messiah is considered a belittling. No, but continuing to belittle him without saying why doesn't mean much. We only had one Messiah and they crucified him. I don't think Strom is perfect....none of them are........but, he is head and shoulders the best coach on this staff. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 21:58:14 GMT -6
Anything that isn’t a declaration that Strom is a Messiah is considered a belittling. No, but continuing to belittle him without saying why doesn't mean much. We only had one Messiah and they crucified him. I don't think Strom is perfect....none of them are........but, he is head and shoulders the best coach on this staff. The why is the fans choosing to not attribute ANY of the shortcomings of the pitching with Strom while blaming every problem on Dusty. Note: I’m not a Dusty fan. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 21:58:59 GMT -6
In other words, you like to jump on and off the bandwagon? All he can do is teach......he doesn't go to the mound and execute the pitches. Why isn’t the same logic applied to Dusty? You need to ask those who support him one day and hammer him the next. I never liked the idea of hiring him and I've see nothing to make me think I was wrong. We win in spite of his constant asinine pitching moves. At times, he also seems to be more concerned with "giving guys a breather" than he is in winning the game being played that day. I have my doubts about Dusty teaching these guys anything. He pretended to coach Myles Straw which is probably why he was pissed off when Click traded him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 22:02:13 GMT -6
No, but continuing to belittle him without saying why doesn't mean much. We only had one Messiah and they crucified him. I don't think Strom is perfect....none of them are........but, he is head and shoulders the best coach on this staff. The why is the fans choosing to not attribute ANY of the shortcomings of the pitching with Strom while blaming every problem on Dusty. Note: I’m not a Dusty fan. The main thing I blame Dusty with is making pitching moves that cost us games. I don't like some of his lineups, but, I can live with that. He has cost us several games bringing in Raley or Javier with runners on base. He never learns from that mistake. He has used Pressly in the 9th of some games when he wasn't needed and then lost the next game because he said Pressly wasn't available. He would have been if the idiot hadn't wasted him the day before. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2021 22:05:03 GMT -6
Why isn’t the same logic applied to Dusty? You need to ask those who support him one day and hammer him the next. I never liked the idea of hiring him and I've see nothing to make me think I was wrong. We win in spite of his constant asinine pitching moves. At times, he also seems to be more concerned with "giving guys a breather" than he is in winning the game being played that day. I have my doubts about Dusty teaching these guys anything. He pretended to coach Myles Straw which is probably why he was pissed off when Click traded him. I didn’t support his hire either. I’ve never liked him, but every loss isn’t his fault either. My point is that Strom basically gets zero blame when the pitching shits the bed. Dusty, Strom, Espada, Cintrón, etc. all have reasons for praise and blame. Only one is canonized. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2021 22:15:40 GMT -6
You need to ask those who support him one day and hammer him the next. I never liked the idea of hiring him and I've see nothing to make me think I was wrong. We win in spite of his constant asinine pitching moves. At times, he also seems to be more concerned with "giving guys a breather" than he is in winning the game being played that day. I have my doubts about Dusty teaching these guys anything. He pretended to coach Myles Straw which is probably why he was pissed off when Click traded him. I didn’t support his hire either. I’ve never liked him, but every loss isn’t his fault either. My point is that Strom basically gets zero blame when the pitching shits the bed. Dusty, Strom, Espada, Cintrón, etc. all have reasons for praise and blame. Only one is canonized. I agree that every loss isn't his fault. At times, we have just been outplayed or dominated by a pitcher a few times. I don't canonize any of them. I just think Strom excels at what he does while Centron and Snitker are average at best as hitting coaches. I don't know enough about what Espada actually does to give an opinion on him. Most of the pitching problems have been with young, inexperienced guys that he hasn't had enough time with. Most of their problems are due to bad pitch location or just lack of control. We have some young, hard throwers who have the talent to be dominant in the future IF they can control emotions and have good pitch location. Problems of Javier, Abreu, and Paredes are from inexperience and not having learned to control emotions and execute pitches. They all get behind in the count and often get hit hard when they have to come in the zone with a fastball. It takes some work and repetition to correct those kinds of problems. Mind set has a lot to do with it. I am a little concerned about who Crane and Click go after to replace him. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 28, 2021 7:07:47 GMT -6
Yes, I realize that. I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. What is Vlad's fastball sitting at? PotY! |
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Post by Ashitaka on Aug 28, 2021 21:44:01 GMT -6
Ok. Well, you do realize the Bluejays are a 4th place team just like the Angels are? Yes, I realize that. I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. The guy who is an elite hitter and pitcher is less complete than the guy who is just an elite hitter? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 28, 2021 22:39:13 GMT -6
Yes, I realize that. I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. The guy who is an elite hitter and pitcher is less complete than the guy who is just an elite hitter? As long as he plays on a losing team, I will never think he's the MVP. In my view, MVP's play for winners. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 5:26:18 GMT -6
The guy who is an elite hitter and pitcher is less complete than the guy who is just an elite hitter? As long as he plays on a losing team, I will never think he's the MVP. In my view, MVP's play for winners. The MVP is the measure of the individual and how well he does. He has no control over how sorry the rest of the roster is composed. That’s why guys like Andre Dawson and Álex Rodríguez won their awards. Let’s say a Triple Crown winner who also led in stolen bases was on a last place team. Would you deny him the award for a less impressive player? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 5:59:09 GMT -6
Yes, I realize that. I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. The guy who is an elite hitter and pitcher is less complete than the guy who is just an elite hitter? Corch logic.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 9:57:42 GMT -6
The guy who is an elite hitter and pitcher is less complete than the guy who is just an elite hitter? Corch logic. As usual, you are too dumb to come up with a sensible argument so you post one of your famous useless photos......nice job. I have served on committees over the years selecting honor teams at the district, regional, and state levels. We selected first and second team players, MVP's, coach of the year award, etc. The MVP winner ALWAYS came from the team who won the district, region, or state titles. A good player from a mediocre team was never considered because his team didn't win anything. He was not "valuable" to his team since they could have been just as mediocre or bad without this good player. You and others want to go along with the media in honoring these players whose team didn't win anything like the media does, have at it. Ohtani has put up fantastic numbers......the Angels are still losers. People "ooh" and "aah" because he is Japanese, hits home runs, and plays in LA. The Angels wouldn't be any worse if Ohtani played for t he Rockies. He is a great player but not an MVP because his team is awful just like it has been over the years because they spend their money on hitters who spend half of the season on the IL and ignore their pitching problems. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 29, 2021 11:02:20 GMT -6
That's why they have Nlcs and Alcs mvps. It still makes no sense to give an MVP award to a player whose team accomplished nothing. Just because your opinion on this matter is stupid is no reason not to doggedly stick to it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 29, 2021 11:06:30 GMT -6
How can Strom be the best coach in the league when his team hasn’t won a WS in 4 years?
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 11:08:09 GMT -6
How can Strom be the best coach in the league when his team hasn’t won a WS in 4 years? You can’t win with the fans. Miley shat the bed here, and they’re crediting his success in Cincinnati to Strom. You can’t make this up. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 11:46:10 GMT -6
It still makes no sense to give an MVP award to a player whose team accomplished nothing. Just because your opinion on this matter is stupid is no reason not to doggedly stick to it. Because you and a few others disagree with what I consider criteria in awarding an MVP doesn't make it stupid. I happen to think giving an MVP to a guy who piles up stats on weak team is stupid. When you start agreeing with me, then, I'll reconsider my opinions. LOL |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 11:51:26 GMT -6
Just because your opinion on this matter is stupid is no reason not to doggedly stick to it. Because you and a few others disagree with what I consider criteria in awarding an MVP doesn't make it stupid. I happen to think giving an MVP to a guy who piles up stats on weak team is stupid. When you start agreeing with me, then, I'll reconsider my opinions. LOL Most impressive player = MVP Most impressive team = Commissioner’s Trophy |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 12:07:37 GMT -6
How can Strom be the best coach in the league when his team hasn’t won a WS in 4 years? You can’t win with the fans. Miley shat the bed here, and they’re crediting his success in Cincinnati to Strom. You can’t make this up. Who is crediting Miley's success with the Reds to Strom? I guess I missed that. You two keep digging up lame excuses for bashing Strom while our pitchers keep doing the job. That says a lot about what you know about evaluating a pitching coach. I don't see you bashing the hitting coaches when former Astros put up better numbers with new teams after they leave. That tells a lot about the incompetence of Centron and Snitker. Miley was 0-3 last season with a 5.65 ERA after having after "shitting the bed" here to the the tune of 14-6 with a 3.86 ERA. I wish more of our pitchers would shit the bed and put up that kind of season. He sucked at the end of 2019, but, was good overall. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 12:08:57 GMT -6
Because you and a few others disagree with what I consider criteria in awarding an MVP doesn't make it stupid. I happen to think giving an MVP to a guy who piles up stats on weak team is stupid. When you start agreeing with me, then, I'll reconsider my opinions. LOL Most impressive player = MVP Most impressive team = Commissioner’s Trophy The darling of the media who puts up big stats=MVP who doesn't deserve the award. The team that wins the WS=Commissioner's trophy |
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