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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 12:10:23 GMT -6
You can’t win with the fans. Miley shat the bed here, and they’re crediting his success in Cincinnati to Strom. You can’t make this up. Who is crediting Miley's success with the Reds to Strom? I guess I missed that. You two keep digging up lame excuses for bashing Strom while our pitchers keep doing the job. That says a lot about what you know about evaluating a pitching coach. I don't see you bashing the hitting coaches when former Astros put up better numbers with new teams after they leave. That tells a lot about the incompetence of Centron and Snitker. Miley was 0-3 last season with a 5.65 ERA after having after "shitting the bed" here to the the tune of 14-6 with a 3.86 ERA. I wish more of our pitchers would shit the bed and put up that kind of season. He sucked at the end of 2019, but, was good overall. Fans on this one Facebook group. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 12:12:26 GMT -6
As usual, you are too dumb to come up with a sensible argument so you post one of your famous useless photos......nice job. lmao You post complete and utter nonsense and you expect a ' sensible argument' in return? Wake up and smell the coffee, Mongo. There is absolutely no way you can justify your absurd statement: I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. You can prattle on about teams all you want. It won't change the fact you made a ridiculous assessment of the 'completeness' of one PLAYER over the other. By the way here's another famously appropriate image:  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 12:12:26 GMT -6
Who is crediting Miley's success with the Reds to Strom? I guess I missed that. You two keep digging up lame excuses for bashing Strom while our pitchers keep doing the job. That says a lot about what you know about evaluating a pitching coach. I don't see you bashing the hitting coaches when former Astros put up better numbers with new teams after they leave. That tells a lot about the incompetence of Centron and Snitker. Miley was 0-3 last season with a 5.65 ERA after having after "shitting the bed" here to the the tune of 14-6 with a 3.86 ERA. I wish more of our pitchers would shit the bed and put up that kind of season. He sucked at the end of 2019, but, was good overall. Fans on this one Facebook group. Reds fans or Astros fans? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 12:14:21 GMT -6
Fans on this one Facebook group. Reds fans or Astros fans? Astros, of course. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 12:14:59 GMT -6
Cintrón and Snitker get almost no praise when the offense hits. Coaches in the past have been praised and criticized depending on the output of the team, which is fair. When guys like Paredes come in and walk 4 hitters in a row, you don’t hear a peep about Strom. When a guy like Verlander, an already future HoF’er does well, credit goes to Strom. I’ve never seen anything like it from a Houston coach.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 29, 2021 12:18:32 GMT -6
Cintrón and Snitker get almost no praise when the offense hits. Coaches in the past have been praised and criticized depending on the output of the team, which is fair. When guys like Paredes come in and walk 4 hitters in a row, you don’t hear a peep about Strom. When a guy like Verlander, an already future HoF does well, credit goes to Strom. I’ve never seen anything like it from a Houston coach. Astros have had the best offensive stats in the league for most of the season, but Mongo the Tard can't see why he is a dumb f***ing hypocrite due to praising Strom while condemning the hitting coaches. Truly ignorant. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 12:26:32 GMT -6
Cintrón and Snitker get almost no praise when the offense hits. Coaches in the past have been praised and criticized depending on the output of the team, which is fair. When guys like Paredes come in and walk 4 hitters in a row, you don’t hear a peep about Strom. When a guy like Verlander, an already future HoF does well, credit goes to Strom. I’ve never seen anything like it from a Houston coach. Astros have had the best offensive stats in the league for most of the season, but Mongo the Tard can't see why he is a dumb f***ing hypocrite due to praising Strom while condemning the hitting coaches. Truly ignorant. Watch Strom get praise for Graveman’s success. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 12:31:54 GMT -6
As usual, you are too dumb to come up with a sensible argument so you post one of your famous useless photos......nice job. lmao You post complete and utter nonsense and you expect a ' sensible argument' in return? Wake up and smell the coffee, Mongo. There is absolutely no way you can justify your absurd statement: I think Vlad jr. is a more complete player than Ohtani. You can prattle on about teams all you want. It won't change the fact you made a ridiculous assessment of the 'completeness' of one PLAYER over the other. By the way here's another famously appropriate image: Dumbass, because an idiot like you.....or one of your little playmates.........thinks my post is absurd doesn't make it that way. No more absurd than your ridiculous claim that Dusty did the smart thing by using McCullers to pinch hit in LA so it could prepare him to hit in the post season. LOL LOL You insisted that ONE AB on August 4th would get him ready to hit in October. That shows what you know about the game. LOL LOL Vlad. Jr: 36 HR 91 RBI .311 BA .405 OBP .588 SLG .992 OPS Ohtani 41 HR 89 RBI .264 BA .363 OBP .623 SLG .986 OPS Numbers are basically equal but Vlad's BS is nearly 50 points higher, OBP higher, SLG higher. Ohtani has the best SLG% Vlad plays every day defensively.....Ohtani is the DH and pitches. There is no clear cut difference between the two offensively. Ohtani gets hyped up by the media because he also pitches. He has had some good games on the mound and has been knocked out early by weak teams on occasion. You want Ohtani for MVP. I'd rather have Vlad. Jr. My criteria is no more "aburd" than yours. But, feel free to keep posting photos and cartoons to make your argument. LOL |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 12:35:14 GMT -6
Reds fans or Astros fans? Astros, of course. You have never spelled out your problem with Strom as a pitching coach. The numbers his pitchers put up year in and year out speak for themselves. Miley could have taken things he learned from Strom with him to the Reds. Morton took it with him to Tampa Bay and beat us with it. Morton had never experienced any consistent success before coming here, but, took what he picked up from Strom to Tampa and they go to the WS after he eliminates us in the ALCS. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 29, 2021 12:39:12 GMT -6
You have never spelled out your problem with Strom as a pitching coach. The numbers his pitchers put up year in and year out speak for themselves. Miley could have taken things he learned from Strom with him to the Reds. Morton took it with him to Tampa Bay and beat us with it. Morton had never experienced any consistent success before coming here, but, took what he picked up from Strom to Tampa and they go to the WS after he eliminates us in the ALCS. My problem is simple: he gets special treatment from the fans as I have outlined ad nauseam. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 13:58:24 GMT -6
That's a steaming pile of shit, you filthy liar. I NEVER said anything about who I wanted for MVP this year. NEVER. There is no clear cut difference between the two offensively. Ohtani gets hyped up by the media because he also pitches. He be noteworthy even if the ONLY thing he did was pitch. He's a Starting Pitcher with an ERA+ of 153. That makes him comparable to Framber Valdez who has an ERA+ of 147 (nearly as high as Ohanti). No need to quibble about the few points Ohanti is ahead. It's statistically insignificant. The point is, Framber and Shohei are both excellent starting pitchers. Vlad plays every day defensively He plays 1B (poorly, -0.9 dWAR) in about 80% of his games this year. DH in the other 20%.
So let's add up the facts.We have two GREAT hitters where you admit there is "no clear cut difference between the two offensively". Yet somehow in your twisted and delusional thinking, the one who is below REPLACEMENT level defensively at 1B, is "more complete" than the other one who is an excellent starting pitcher? That might be true in the strange, bizarre, and vacuous world between your ears, Mongo. In the real world, it's total and utter nonsense. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 29, 2021 14:34:36 GMT -6
That's a steaming pile of shit, you filthy liar. I NEVER said anything about who I wanted for MVP this year. NEVER. There is no clear cut difference between the two offensively. Ohtani gets hyped up by the media because he also pitches. He be noteworthy even if the ONLY thing he did was pitch. He's a Starting Pitcher with an ERA+ of 153. That makes him comparable to Framber Valdez who has an ERA+ of 147 (nearly as high as Ohanti). No need to quibble about the few points Ohanti is ahead. It's statistically insignificant. The point is, Framber and Shohei are both excellent starting pitchers. Vlad plays every day defensively He plays 1B (poorly, -0.9 dWAR) in about 80% of his games this year. DH in the other 20%.
So let's add up the facts.We have two GREAT hitters where you admit there is "no clear cut difference between the two offensively". Yet somehow in your twisted and delusional thinking, the one who is below REPLACEMENT level defensively at 1B, is "more complete" than the other one who is an excellent starting pitcher? That might be true in the strange, bizarre, and vacuous world between your ears, Mongo. In the real world, it's total and utter nonsense. Did you forget that corch is retarded? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 14:50:07 GMT -6
That's a steaming pile of shit, you filthy liar. I NEVER said anything about who I wanted for MVP this year. NEVER. He be noteworthy even if the ONLY thing he did was pitch. He's a Starting Pitcher with an ERA+ of 153. That makes him comparable to Framber Valdez who has an ERA+ of 147 (nearly as high as Ohanti). No need to quibble about the few points Ohanti is ahead. It's statistically insignificant. The point is, Framber and Shohei are both excellent starting pitchers. He plays 1B (poorly, -0.9 dWAR) in about 80% of his games this year. DH in the other 20%.
So let's add up the facts.We have two GREAT hitters where you admit there is "no clear cut difference between the two offensively". Yet somehow in your twisted and delusional thinking, the one who is below REPLACEMENT level defensively at 1B, is "more complete" than the other one who is an excellent starting pitcher? That might be true in the strange, bizarre, and vacuous world between your ears, Mongo. In the real world, it's total and utter nonsense. Did you forget that corch is retarded? LOL I'm glad your echo showed up today. When that moron goes to such extremes to try to look like he knows his ass from a hole in the ground, I know I struck a nerve. I'm not retarded enough to want to use McCullers as a pinch hitter or to keep blasting a pitching coach whose pitchers have allowed the fewest runs in the AL. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 14:53:36 GMT -6
That's a steaming pile of shit, you filthy liar. I NEVER said anything about who I wanted for MVP this year. NEVER. There is no clear cut difference between the two offensively. Ohtani gets hyped up by the media because he also pitches. He be noteworthy even if the ONLY thing he did was pitch. He's a Starting Pitcher with an ERA+ of 153. That makes him comparable to Framber Valdez who has an ERA+ of 147 (nearly as high as Ohanti). No need to quibble about the few points Ohanti is ahead. It's statistically insignificant. The point is, Framber and Shohei are both excellent starting pitchers. Vlad plays every day defensively He plays 1B (poorly, -0.9 dWAR) in about 80% of his games this year. DH in the other 20%.
So let's add up the facts.We have two GREAT hitters where you admit there is "no clear cut difference between the two offensively". Yet somehow in your twisted and delusional thinking, the one who is below REPLACEMENT level defensively at 1B, is "more complete" than the other one who is an excellent starting pitcher? That might be true in the strange, bizarre, and vacuous world between your ears, Mongo. In the real world, it's total and utter nonsense. You add up your facts..........I'll gladly stick to mine. If you think for one minute that I care if you and any of your little playmates agrees with me, you are more full of shit than I thought. The FACT is that Ohtani plays for a LOSER and doesn't deserve the MVP. In your warped mind, you think big, gaudy personal stats make him an MVP. They don't.........his team sucks and would suck with or without him. I am through feeding the troll. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 14:58:10 GMT -6
When that moron goes to such extremes to try to look like he knows his ass from a hole in the ground lmao This from the shit-for-brains who's trying to tell us that weak defense at 1B is 'more complete' than excellent Starting Pitching. Try again, Mongo. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 16:26:07 GMT -6
When that moron goes to such extremes to try to look like he knows his ass from a hole in the ground lmao This from the shit-for-brains who's trying to tell us that weak defense at 1B is 'more complete' than excellent Starting Pitching. Try again, Mongo. Not what I said at all, but, feel free to put your own spin on it, dumbass. You just like to argue and I should apologize for continuing to feed the troll who thinks he's always right. Tell you what..I'll consider that I might possibly be wrong about Ohtani when you admit that you were dead wrong to think it was the right move to use McCullers as a PH the way Dusty did in LA. Nobody here agreed with you, but, you never took a step back and retracted it. I will also be totally honest here.... I have known for a long time that Shohei Ohtani was going to win the MVP, and, he has put up the numbers to earn it. But, for my own very personal reasons, there is no way in hell that I would ever vote for him to be the MVP. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 17:07:00 GMT -6
lmao This from the shit-for-brains who's trying to tell us that weak defense at 1B is 'more complete' than excellent Starting Pitching. Try again, Mongo. Not what I said at all, but, feel free to put your own spin on it, dumbass. lol 'spin'. That's exactly how what you said adds up. Unless of course you meant something completely different by 'more complete". Perhaps you meant Vlad has a more complete waistline and you're a chubby-chaser. Don't worry we won't judge. hahaha |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 19:16:47 GMT -6
Not what I said at all, but, feel free to put your own spin on it, dumbass. lol 'spin'. That's exactly how what you said adds up. Unless of course you meant something completely different by 'more complete". Perhaps you meant Vlad has a more complete waistline and you're a chubby-chaser. Don't worry we won't judge. hahaha Interesting that a buffoon like you would try to add things up. You kept insisting that a DH who would get lost trying to play any defensive position was a better defender than a guy who plays defense every day. I don't recall saying Vlad Jr. was up for a gold glove. The only time Ohtani steps on the field other than as DH is when he pitches, providing he isn't nursing some injury that keeps him off the mound. You obviously keep a close watch on waistlines and other parts of the anatomy, which is your own business. I don't notice and don't give a damn about their physical makeup. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 29, 2021 20:13:35 GMT -6
lmao This from the shit-for-brains who's trying to tell us that weak defense at 1B is 'more complete' than excellent Starting Pitching. Try again, Mongo. Not what I said at all, but, feel free to put your own spin on it, dumbass. You just like to argue and I should apologize for continuing to feed the troll who thinks he's always right. Tell you what..I'll consider that I might possibly be wrong about Ohtani when you admit that you were dead wrong to think it was the right move to use McCullers as a PH the way Dusty did in LA. Nobody here agreed with you, but, you never took a step back and retracted it. I will also be totally honest here.... I have known for a long time that Shohei Ohtani was going to win the MVP, and, he has put up the numbers to earn it. But, for my own very personal reasons, there is no way in hell that I would ever vote for him to be the MVP. “I ain’t gwanna be votin fer no dam gook” - Corch |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 21:37:59 GMT -6
You kept insisting that a DH who would get lost trying to play any defensive position was a better defender than a guy who plays defense every day. I don't recall saying Vlad Jr. was up for a gold glove. The only time Ohtani steps on the field other than as DH is when he pitches, providing he isn't nursing some injury that keeps him off the mound. You obviously keep a close watch on waistlines and other parts of the anatomy, which is your own business. I don't notice and don't give a damn about their physical makeup. There you go again, LYING about what I said, you worthless sack of shit. I never ONCE said anything about Ohtani playing a defensive position. I said that he's an excellent Starting Pitcher. Perhaps in your point of view, being a pitcher somehow makes him "less complete". Here's a newsflash for you, shit-for-brains. Some years, a player who never played a defensive 'position' and never even got one hit during the regular season, has won the MVP. Just ask the 1981, 1984, 1992, and 2011 AL MVP winners. I'm sure they'll all be interested to hear you think they're incomplete players. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 29, 2021 21:38:41 GMT -6
Not what I said at all, but, feel free to put your own spin on it, dumbass. You just like to argue and I should apologize for continuing to feed the troll who thinks he's always right. Tell you what..I'll consider that I might possibly be wrong about Ohtani when you admit that you were dead wrong to think it was the right move to use McCullers as a PH the way Dusty did in LA. Nobody here agreed with you, but, you never took a step back and retracted it. I will also be totally honest here.... I have known for a long time that Shohei Ohtani was going to win the MVP, and, he has put up the numbers to earn it. But, for my own very personal reasons, there is no way in hell that I would ever vote for him to be the MVP. “I ain’t gwanna be votin fer no dam gook” - Corch I reckon you, I, and everyone else reading, already knew what the forum racist meant when he said "for my own very personal reasons" but I was trying to give him a less embarrassing way out with the waistline thing. lol |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 22:46:06 GMT -6
You kept insisting that a DH who would get lost trying to play any defensive position was a better defender than a guy who plays defense every day. I don't recall saying Vlad Jr. was up for a gold glove. The only time Ohtani steps on the field other than as DH is when he pitches, providing he isn't nursing some injury that keeps him off the mound. You obviously keep a close watch on waistlines and other parts of the anatomy, which is your own business. I don't notice and don't give a damn about their physical makeup. There you go again, LYING about what I said, you worthless sack of shit. I never ONCE said anything about Ohtani playing a defensive position. I said that he's an excellent Starting Pitcher. Perhaps in your point of view, being a pitcher somehow makes him "less complete". Here's a newsflash for you, shit-for-brains. Some years, a player who never played a defensive 'position' and never even got one hit during the regular season, has won the MVP. Just ask the 1981, 1984, 1992, and 2011 AL MVP winners. I'm sure they'll all be interested to hear you think they're incomplete players. No, you ignorant piece of shit. I said you were hammering Vlad Jr. for being a weak defensive first baseman. I NEVER said that you mentioned Ohtani's defense. And, NO DH who never plays defense is as much of a complete player as one who does. I also don't buy into pitchers being awarded the MVP. An every day position player deserves that honor. The pitchers compete for the Cy Young or Fireman of the Year awards. Neither Verlander, Rollie Fingers, Willie Hernandez, or Dennis Eckersley should have been given the MVP. I don't give a damn if any or all of them disagree and I sure as hell don't care what a clown and troll like you thinks about it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 22:56:21 GMT -6
Astros have had the best offensive stats in the league for most of the season, but Mongo the Tard can't see why he is a dumb f***ing hypocrite due to praising Strom while condemning the hitting coaches. Truly ignorant. Watch Strom get praise for Graveman’s success. Graveman himself is already giving Strom praise for using analytics to help him in some areas. I know you hate to hear about Strom getting praise while you try so hard to find things to use to try to bash him. Facts are facts. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 29, 2021 23:07:28 GMT -6
“I ain’t gwanna be votin fer no dam gook” - Corch I reckon you, I, and everyone else reading, already knew what the forum racist meant when he said "for my own very personal reasons" but I was trying to give him a less embarrassing way out with the waistline thing. lol You have no idea what I meant about "personal reasons". You want to say I meant that because it gives you something to add to your list of insults. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 30, 2021 5:34:47 GMT -6
Hey Mongo, it's not my fault you can't remember what you said from one post to the next. I even tried to help you by highlighting your own words, but to no avail! You kept insisting that a DH who would get lost trying to play any defensive position was a better defender I NEVER said that you mentioned Ohtani's defense. This isn't the first time you've lost track of your own words. It isn't even the first time in this thread. Trout is being replaced as the media darling by Ohtani who the media wants to hand the MVP even though the Angels are in 4th place in the division. It 's a damn joke. Are we going to rekindle that argument again? How amusing. You question rekindling an old argument when you were the first one to bring it into the thread.
Speaking of old arguments, you are decades out of date for one particular misconception about MVP to even make even the slightest bit of sense: The MVP should come from the team that wins the AL. Same in the NL. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2021 8:11:01 GMT -6
Watch Strom get praise for Graveman’s success. Graveman himself is already giving Strom praise for using analytics to help him in some areas. I know you hate to hear about Strom getting praise while you try so hard to find things to use to try to bash him. Facts are facts. That wasn’t the point of my joke. He was doing excellently prior to Strom. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 30, 2021 8:52:54 GMT -6
Ohtani vs. Vlad an interesting debate, but Ohtani should win it
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -6
Graveman himself is already giving Strom praise for using analytics to help him in some areas. I know you hate to hear about Strom getting praise while you try so hard to find things to use to try to bash him. Facts are facts. That wasn’t the point of my joke. He was doing excellently prior to Strom. Yes, he was. That is why we wanted him. He was good before Strom got him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2021 9:28:58 GMT -6
Ohtani vs. Vlad an interesting debate, but Ohtani should win it Ohtani will win it.......he plays in LA and because he hits home runs and pitches......Vlad plays in Toronto and doesn't pitch. Ohtani plays in a huge media market....Vlad does not. Everyone in the media is either slobbering all over Ohtani or the Yankees. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2021 9:30:14 GMT -6
Hey Mongo, it's not my fault you can't remember what you said from one post to the next. I even tried to help you by highlighting your own words, but to no avail! You kept insisting that a DH who would get lost trying to play any defensive position was a better defender I NEVER said that you mentioned Ohtani's defense. This isn't the first time you've lost track of your own words. It isn't even the first time in this thread. Trout is being replaced as the media darling by Ohtani who the media wants to hand the MVP even though the Angels are in 4th place in the division. It 's a damn joke. Are we going to rekindle that argument again? How amusing. You question rekindling an old argument when you were the first one to bring it into the thread.
Speaking of old arguments, you are decades out of date for one particular misconception about MVP to even make even the slightest bit of sense: The MVP should come from the team that wins the AL. Same in the NL. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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