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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 4, 2022 22:42:56 GMT -6
Jose Altuve leads MLB in three-plus hit games (176) since entering the league in 2011. He also leads the Majors in multi-hit games (541) and four-plus hit games (34) in that same time span.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2022 10:27:19 GMT -6
Jose Altuve leads MLB in three-plus hit games (176) since entering the league in 2011. He also leads the Majors in multi-hit games (541) and four-plus hit games (34) in that same time span. I saw that on Facebook. Why did they word it that way? He also leads in AVG even with the lower average the last few years. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2022 10:31:25 GMT -6
I just don't understand defensive metrics I guess. Altuve's defensive WAR went down .2 in a game where he made every play close to him.
And unfortunately it's those same defensive metrics keeping him from getting more attention as a potential MVP candidate. Obviously Judge and Ohtani should be the front runners, but Altuve is close to his top form offensively and has been our most consistent player all year.
His defense is dragging his overall value down statistically, but I don't completely see why.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2022 19:04:19 GMT -6
You jinxed him, ɮօʀȶǟʐ. 0-3 so far today. He responds to boos and criticism! |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2022 21:45:31 GMT -6
You jinxed him, ɮօʀȶǟʐ . 0-3 so far today. He responds to boos and criticism! 1-4 and an exciting play at home. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2022 22:10:03 GMT -6
You jinxed him, ɮօʀȶǟʐ . 0-3 so far today. He responds to boos and criticism! 1-4 and an exciting play at home. He was safe. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 6, 2022 6:05:36 GMT -6
You jinxed him, ɮօʀȶǟʐ . 0-3 so far today. He responds to boos and criticism! 1-4 and an exciting play at home. He got the hit after I called out your thread jinxing him. He was safe too. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 6, 2022 6:09:21 GMT -6
Even after dropping slightly with his 1-4 day, Altuve is now 2nd in the AL in offensive WAR behind only Judge. He is 3rd in OPS+.
I know the odds are against it, but it would be badass to see him get back to .300 again. Either way though, his OPS in the .900 range during a down year for offense is very impressive.
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Post by Saint on Sept 6, 2022 11:27:34 GMT -6
Also, Altuve has just now barely broken 50 RBI on the season, which isn't super unusual for a leadoff hitter...but when you factor in that 23 of those are from him driving himself in it gets weirder. So only 28 RBI that aren't from HRs. Yet, he has a fantastic .342 AVG with RISP and only 1 GIDP with RISP.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 6, 2022 11:33:21 GMT -6
Also, Altuve has just now barely broken 50 RBI on the season, which isn't super unusual for a leadoff hitter...but when you factor in that 23 of those are from him driving himself in it gets weirder. So only 28 RBI that aren't from HRs. Yet, he has a fantastic .342 AVG with RISP and only 1 GIDP with RISP. What are the chances next season Altuve doesn't leadoff? |
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Post by Saint on Sept 6, 2022 11:43:25 GMT -6
Also, Altuve has just now barely broken 50 RBI on the season, which isn't super unusual for a leadoff hitter...but when you factor in that 23 of those are from him driving himself in it gets weirder. So only 28 RBI that aren't from HRs. Yet, he has a fantastic .342 AVG with RISP and only 1 GIDP with RISP. What are the chances next season Altuve doesn't leadoff? I don't think we have anybody better suited at this point. Tucker would probably be fine, but he also drives in 100 Runs. Bregman wouldn't be bad, but he's soooo streaky. Altuve, despite his frustrating approach at times, gets on base as well as or better than anybody else on the team outside of Yordan (whom I have ongoing doubts about his health). And those first pitch leadoff HRs have to be very frustrating for opposing teams. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 7, 2022 12:33:34 GMT -6
So with a year similar to this year, Altuve could potentially reach all of these secondary-ish milestones in 2023 (and likely a 9th AS appearance):
2000 Hits
1000 Runs
200 HR
400 Doubles
300 SB
50 WAR
His contract is only for two more years past this one. I would assume he would keep playing, but it's interesting that he hasn't said anything about his future. I could very well see him retiring to spend time with his family since we know family is very important to him. So if he does hang it up, and has reached those milestones (plus a little more most likely) he would also end up with the below awards (possibly another one or two). Is he a HoFer if that's where he finishes?
8x AS
6x SS (counting this year)
MVP
ALCS MVP
3x Batting Titles (and possibly a .300 career AVG)
2x POY
1x GG
That seems like enough hardware and secondary milestones to make him a no-brainer to me. But, with the reputation of the Astros now, is it enough? It would put him at a very eerily similar final line/totals/awards to Kirby Puckett.
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2022 10:20:36 GMT -6
So looking ahead to next year's regular season, Altuve should reach 200 HR and 2000 Hits (as well as 1000 Runs). Only 51 players have reached the 200/200 club (including Biggio and Bagwell).
He's currently at 192 HR and 279 SB. With his power improvement, he has a fairly realistic shot at joining the 300/300 club if he plays a couple years past his extension. Only *8* players have made that. See the below list:
Barry Bonds
Willie Mays
Andre Dawson
Bobby Bonds
Reggie Sanders
Steve Finley
Alex Rodriguez
Carlos Beltran
Way before he reaches 300 HR, he'll reach the 2000 Hit mark. This will put him into the 300/300/2000 group:
Barry Bonds
Willie Mays
Andre Dawson
Steve Finley
Alex Rodriguez
Carlos Beltran
That alone should get him in the HoF by most reasoning. But, if he does stay healthy and get to the 3000-Hit mark, he'll join only Willie Mays and A-Rod to make the 300/300/3000 club. That would be pretty damn amazing.
What's a shame is that, even if it continued to be a down year for him in 2020, he would have reached 200 HR and 2000 Hits this year at only age-32.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 28, 2022 10:46:53 GMT -6
I remember when people questioned Altuve being past his prime during 2020.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 28, 2022 11:00:59 GMT -6
I remember when people questioned Altuve being past his prime during 2020. I remember in the start of each season of late, where most think he is done |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2022 12:02:43 GMT -6
My concern is always "is he healthy" when he starts off slow or goes into a prolonged slump.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 11:50:11 GMT -6
So Altuve's final line:
.300/.387/.533 .920 OPS (160 OPS+)
28 HR 57 RBI 103 Runs 18 SB 39 Doubles
.318 with RISP
His OPS+ is tied for the highest of his career (2017). He also scored 100+ Runs for the 4th time, and should get his 6th SS award.
Going into 2023 he'll be close to these milestones:
2000 Hits (75 to go)
1000 Runs (14 to go)
400 Doubles (21 to go)
200 HR (8 to go)
300 SB (21 to go)
50 WAR (3.5 to go)
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2022 12:12:58 GMT -6
So Altuve's final line:.300/.387/.533 .920 OPS (160 OPS+) 28 HR 57 RBI 103 Runs 18 SB 39 Doubles .318 with RISP His OPS+ is tied for the highest of his career (2017). He also scored 100+ Runs for the 4th time, and should get his 6th SS award. Going into 2023 he'll be close to these milestones:2000 Hits (75 to go) 1000 Runs (14 to go) 400 Doubles (21 to go) 200 HR (8 to go) 300 SB (21 to go) 50 WAR (3.5 to go) And yet, come 1/2 way through game 2 of the 2023 Regular Season, you'll be creating another: What's Wrong With Altuve Thread |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 12:18:32 GMT -6
So Altuve's final line:.300/.387/.533 .920 OPS (160 OPS+) 28 HR 57 RBI 103 Runs 18 SB 39 Doubles .318 with RISP His OPS+ is tied for the highest of his career (2017). He also scored 100+ Runs for the 4th time, and should get his 6th SS award. Going into 2023 he'll be close to these milestones:2000 Hits (75 to go) 1000 Runs (14 to go) 400 Doubles (21 to go) 200 HR (8 to go) 300 SB (21 to go) 50 WAR (3.5 to go) And yet, come 1/2 way through game 2 of the 2023 Regular Season, you'll be creating another: What's Wrong With Altuve Thread SHOTS FIRED |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 12:23:15 GMT -6
So Altuve's final line:.300/.387/.533 .920 OPS (160 OPS+) 28 HR 57 RBI 103 Runs 18 SB 39 Doubles .318 with RISP His OPS+ is tied for the highest of his career (2017). He also scored 100+ Runs for the 4th time, and should get his 6th SS award. Going into 2023 he'll be close to these milestones:2000 Hits (75 to go) 1000 Runs (14 to go) 400 Doubles (21 to go) 200 HR (8 to go) 300 SB (21 to go) 50 WAR (3.5 to go) And yet, come 1/2 way through game 2 of the 2023 Regular Season, you'll be creating another: What's Wrong With Altuve Thread 1. That's tradition. You don't mess with tradition. 2. Look how much it helps him. 3. I fear because I love. |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 5, 2022 12:23:40 GMT -6
Looking at those numbers Should not be a problem mext year with Altuve reaching everyone of those maybe the SB would be the hardest
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 12:30:28 GMT -6
Looking at those numbers Should not be a problem mext year with Altuve reaching everyone of those maybe the SB would be the hardest Yeah, I expect it takes him another season to reach the SB mark. He might have been able to make it if he had gotten a few more this year. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 5, 2022 13:16:43 GMT -6
So Altuve's final line:.300/.387/.533 .920 OPS (160 OPS+) 28 HR 57 RBI 103 Runs 18 SB 39 Doubles .318 with RISP His OPS+ is tied for the highest of his career (2017). He also scored 100+ Runs for the 4th time, and should get his 6th SS award. Going into 2023 he'll be close to these milestones:2000 Hits (75 to go) 1000 Runs (14 to go) 400 Doubles (21 to go) 200 HR (8 to go) 300 SB (21 to go) 50 WAR (3.5 to go) And yet, come 1/2 way through game 2 of the 2023 Regular Season, you'll be creating another: What's Wrong With Altuve Thread No lie detected. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 5, 2022 13:17:39 GMT -6
And yet, come 1/2 way through game 2 of the 2023 Regular Season, you'll be creating another: What's Wrong With Altuve Thread SHOTS FIRED And you’ll be doing the same complaining, while moping about Carla. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 13:22:52 GMT -6
And you’ll be doing the same complaining, while moping about Carla. And you'll be complaining about the roleplayers and relievers that have limited roles on the team to begin with even if the stats say they're decent players. All while also claiming that not all players need to be all-stars and MVPs. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 13:55:35 GMT -6
And you’ll be doing the same complaining, while moping about Carla. I do mope about Correa, I’ll give you that. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 13:56:11 GMT -6
And you’ll be doing the same complaining, while moping about Carla. And you'll be complaining about the roleplayers and relievers that have limited roles on the team to begin with even if the stats say they're decent players. All while also claiming that not all players need to be all-stars and MVPs. SHOTS FIRED AGAIN |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 14:01:40 GMT -6
And you’ll be doing the same complaining, while moping about Carla. I do mope about Correa, I’ll give you that. Correa actually had a good season and showed that he can stay mostly healthy two years in a row. Now that he won't have a draft compensation pick tied to him, I wonder if there will be stronger interest. His 2022 numbers going into the final game:.291/.366/.467 .834 OPS (139 OPS+) 22 HR 64 RBI 70 Runs 5.4 WAR If you believe in WAR, he was close to the same overall value as Altuve, and was slightly better than Pena (although not significantly so). Offensively from a percentage standpoint, he would have been the 3rd best player on our team behind Yordan and Altuve. It was another good season, but you still feel like he isn't reaching his potential offensively. Still not close to 30 HRs, didn't steal any bases at all for unknown reasons (when even Yuli stole 8), still didn't drive in 100 RBI, etc. I honestly believe if he would keep his mouth shut, he'd get a $250+ million deal from a contender. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 14:09:21 GMT -6
I do mope about Correa, I’ll give you that. Correa actually had a good season and showed that he can stay mostly healthy two years in a row. Now that he won't have a draft compensation pick tied to him, I wonder if there will be stronger interest. His 2022 numbers going into the final game:.291/.366/.467 .834 OPS (139 OPS+) 22 HR 64 RBI 70 Runs 5.4 WAR If you believe in WAR, he was close to the same overall value as Altuve, and was slightly better than Pena (although not significantly so). Offensively from a percentage standpoint, he would have been the 3rd best player on our team behind Yordan and Altuve. It was another good season, but you still feel like he isn't reaching his potential offensively. Still not close to 30 HRs, didn't steal any bases at all for unknown reasons (when even Yuli stole 8), still didn't drive in 100 RBI, etc. I honestly believe if he would keep his mouth shut, he'd get a $250+ million deal from a contender. He’s more valuable than the fans believe but less than what he believes. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 15:15:26 GMT -6
Correa actually had a good season and showed that he can stay mostly healthy two years in a row. Now that he won't have a draft compensation pick tied to him, I wonder if there will be stronger interest. His 2022 numbers going into the final game:.291/.366/.467 .834 OPS (139 OPS+) 22 HR 64 RBI 70 Runs 5.4 WAR If you believe in WAR, he was close to the same overall value as Altuve, and was slightly better than Pena (although not significantly so). Offensively from a percentage standpoint, he would have been the 3rd best player on our team behind Yordan and Altuve. It was another good season, but you still feel like he isn't reaching his potential offensively. Still not close to 30 HRs, didn't steal any bases at all for unknown reasons (when even Yuli stole 8), still didn't drive in 100 RBI, etc. I honestly believe if he would keep his mouth shut, he'd get a $250+ million deal from a contender. He’s more valuable than the fans believe but less than what he believes. That's an accurate statement. |
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