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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 30, 2023 17:36:52 GMT -6
Could possibly be both. However, I doubt Dusty had as much power to get rid of Click as Bagwell. Actually, if you remember, it was Dusty who vetoed some trades by Click (that Cubs catcher, for one). Yeah, I remember that one. The question, though, was if they got rid of Urquidy, would they have signed Contreras long term?
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 30, 2023 19:12:47 GMT -6
Bagwell has become Crane's biggest advisor after helping chase Click out. He was there for Montero and Brantley as well. The three off-season acquisitions as a whole cost over $100 million and brought negative value. Last off-season I was told I was worrying about nothing re: Bagwell and look what happened in just one off-season. Are you really not concerned at all? Not at all? How many more atrocious signings and moves will it take? Will we have to miss the playoffs (as we almost did this year) before it's not misplaced panic? My contention is that Bagwell has shown himself to be incompetent and backwards as an executive to such a degree already that any move he's in support of should be treated with healthy skepticism. Why would you think he helped chase Click out? If anything Dusty had a big role in that. Dusty did have a role in it for sure. But I also heard very unflattering things about the way Bagwell and Reggie Jackson treated Click and some of his people in the front office. He played a role in poisoning the well that led to a lot of the acrimony between Crane and Click.
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Post by surfintexas on Oct 31, 2023 17:42:09 GMT -6
Looks like we are bringing Maldonado back for another year.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2023 17:42:58 GMT -6
Looks like we are bringing Maldonado back for another year. JFC
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 31, 2023 17:47:18 GMT -6
Looks like we are bringing Maldonado back for another year. JFC It's from a satire/troll account. Breathe easy, everyone.
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Post by surfintexas on Oct 31, 2023 17:47:48 GMT -6
Nevermind I think it was a gag post on X. Sure looked legit.
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Post by jastro on Oct 31, 2023 21:21:03 GMT -6
Maldonado never even should have played the last couple years. What did we trade Garrett Stubbs for to Philly? He’s killing it over there. Click missed that one!
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 31, 2023 22:36:00 GMT -6
Maldonado never even should have played the last couple years. What did we trade Garrett Stubbs for to Philly? He’s killing it over there. Click missed that one! Logan Cerny, who can't stop striking out against A-ball pitchers. That said Stubbs fell back to earth hard this year, and he was clearly behind Diaz and Lee, and even Salazar for some people.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 31, 2023 22:36:16 GMT -6
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Post by jastro on Nov 1, 2023 14:02:30 GMT -6
I see. Well, Diaz has definitely earned his keep. Hopefully he’s smart with the pitcher as well. That’s half the value of a good catcher that isn’t as recognizable as the bat.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 1, 2023 14:04:56 GMT -6
If they couldn’t have Stearns, they could at least take his manager.
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Post by Saint on Nov 2, 2023 6:23:33 GMT -6
What makes Counsel better than Ausmus?
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2023 8:49:26 GMT -6
What makes Counsel better than Ausmus? More success in a small market town, analytics driven and from one of the most analytics-driven organizations, great reputation, won't be hard to confront/guide or outright un-firable due to a connection with Bagwell.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2023 8:56:14 GMT -6
What makes Counsel better than Ausmus? What makes him not?
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 2, 2023 13:34:04 GMT -6
Now that Southern Oklahoma has won the WS, when does FA begin?
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Post by Saint on Nov 2, 2023 14:30:18 GMT -6
What makes Counsel better than Ausmus? More success in a small market town, analytics driven and from one of the most analytics-driven organizations, great reputation, won't be hard to confront/guide or outright un-firable due to a connection with Bagwell. And hasn't won anything despite all of that. I'm not against Counsel, just making a point that I think we're all over valuing a manager change, or that any of these candidates is really that much better than the others. It's not the manager. We need to fix the pitching mental deficits and defense.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 2, 2023 14:44:32 GMT -6
More success in a small market town, analytics driven and from one of the most analytics-driven organizations, great reputation, won't be hard to confront/guide or outright un-firable due to a connection with Bagwell. And hasn't won anything despite all of that. I'm not against Counsel, just making a point that I think we're all over valuing a manager change, or that any of these candidates is really that much better than the others. It's not the manager. We need to fix the pitching mental deficits and defense. Even though I think Dusty > Hinch, management had some mental deficits as well. Dusty was a great PR hire, good players coach and lucky. Until the luck runs out, I will take lucky over good.
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Post by Saint on Nov 2, 2023 15:20:34 GMT -6
And hasn't won anything despite all of that. I'm not against Counsel, just making a point that I think we're all over valuing a manager change, or that any of these candidates is really that much better than the others. It's not the manager. We need to fix the pitching mental deficits and defense. Even though I think Dusty > Hinch, management had some mental deficits as well. Dusty was a great PR hire, good players coach and lucky. Until the luck runs out, I will take lucky over good. Dusty didn't help in some areas, but he didn't make or break the team.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2023 16:34:39 GMT -6
More success in a small market town, analytics driven and from one of the most analytics-driven organizations, great reputation, won't be hard to confront/guide or outright un-firable due to a connection with Bagwell. And hasn't won anything despite all of that. I'm not against Counsel, just making a point that I think we're all over valuing a manager change, or that any of these candidates is really that much better than the others. It's not the manager. We need to fix the pitching mental deficits and defense. What small market team has Ausmus led to a division title?
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Post by m240 on Nov 2, 2023 19:10:11 GMT -6
Even though I think Dusty > Hinch, management had some mental deficits as well. Dusty was a great PR hire, good players coach and lucky. Until the luck runs out, I will take lucky over good. Dusty didn't help in some areas, but he didn't make or break the team. Game 6 bottom of the eight inning, Singleton, McCormick and Diaz on the bench. Game on the line, two solid right handed hitters that are having solid years and demonstrated the ability to hit under pressure on your bench. Also you have a left handed hitting pot head who is hitting about 100. So who do you call for, just about anyone with an iq over 50 call for one of the young Turks. Who does Dusty call for with the season on the line, Mr Hemp himself. unforgivable. That my friend broke the Astros for this year, no coming back from that.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2023 19:27:26 GMT -6
Dusty didn't help in some areas, but he didn't make or break the team. Game 6 bottom of the eight inning, Singleton, McCormick and Diaz on the bench. Game on the line, two solid right handed hitters that are having solid years and demonstrated the ability to hit under pressure on your bench. Also you have a left handed hitting pot head who is hitting about 100. So who do you call for, just about anyone with an iq over 50 call for one of the young Turks. Who does Dusty call for with the season on the line, Mr Hemp himself. unforgivable. That my friend broke the Astros for this year, no coming back from that. True but the others weren’t guaranteed to do anything either. Singleton was the best bet to at least draw a walk.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 2, 2023 20:42:56 GMT -6
Dusty didn't help in some areas, but he didn't make or break the team. Game 6 bottom of the eight inning, Singleton, McCormick and Diaz on the bench. Game on the line, two solid right handed hitters that are having solid years and demonstrated the ability to hit under pressure on your bench. Also you have a left handed hitting pot head who is hitting about 100. So who do you call for, just about anyone with an iq over 50 call for one of the young Turks. Who does Dusty call for with the season on the line, Mr Hemp himself. unforgivable. That my friend broke the Astros for this year, no coming back from that. Dusty should've got himself tossed in Game 6 like he was ejected in Game 5. We might be celebrating right now
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Post by m240 on Nov 3, 2023 9:08:02 GMT -6
Game 6 bottom of the eight inning, Singleton, McCormick and Diaz on the bench. Game on the line, two solid right handed hitters that are having solid years and demonstrated the ability to hit under pressure on your bench. Also you have a left handed hitting pot head who is hitting about 100. So who do you call for, just about anyone with an iq over 50 call for one of the young Turks. Who does Dusty call for with the season on the line, Mr Hemp himself. unforgivable. That my friend broke the Astros for this year, no coming back from that. True but the others weren’t guaranteed to do anything either. Singleton was the best bet to at least draw a walk. It is true he had the best chance to draw a walk. It is also true that he had the lowest of the three as far as obp was concerned. It is also true that he struck out more often than he walked. Other than lefty versus righty there is nothing that can support Dusty's decision. My final word on Dusty is I am glad he came, I appreciate what he did through 22, and I am glad he is gone. Time for him to write a book and get a few lifetime achievement awards.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2023 13:17:36 GMT -6
True but the others weren’t guaranteed to do anything either. Singleton was the best bet to at least draw a walk. It is true he had the best chance to draw a walk. It is also true that he had the lowest of the three as far as obp was concerned. It is also true that he struck out more often than he walked. Other than lefty versus righty there is nothing that can support Dusty's decision. My final word on Dusty is I am glad he came, I appreciate what he did through 22, and I am glad he is gone. Time for him to write a book and get a few lifetime achievement awards. We are of the same mind.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2023 15:07:46 GMT -6
It is true he had the best chance to draw a walk. It is also true that he had the lowest of the three as far as obp was concerned. It is also true that he struck out more often than he walked. Other than lefty versus righty there is nothing that can support Dusty's decision. My final word on Dusty is I am glad he came, I appreciate what he did through 22, and I am glad he is gone. Time for him to write a book and get a few lifetime achievement awards. We are of the same mind. Ditto
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2023 19:45:38 GMT -6
Crane, Sign YY, and all is good, signed everyone here
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 3, 2023 20:46:42 GMT -6
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Nov 3, 2023 22:10:17 GMT -6
Way overdue. Glad Dana got that out there and made it clear Maldy’s days are numbered.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 4, 2023 10:38:09 GMT -6
Way overdue. Glad Dana got that out there and made it clear Maldy’s days are numbered. Watch him re-sign as “the backup”.
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Post by Saint on Nov 4, 2023 12:57:55 GMT -6
And hasn't won anything despite all of that. I'm not against Counsel, just making a point that I think we're all over valuing a manager change, or that any of these candidates is really that much better than the others. It's not the manager. We need to fix the pitching mental deficits and defense. What small market team has Ausmus led to a division title? Detroit.
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