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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2024 19:12:21 GMT -6
What moves do you make?
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 2, 2024 19:18:39 GMT -6
This team is gonna suck tailpipe next season if we don't re-sign Bregman
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2024 20:20:14 GMT -6
This team is gonna suck tailpipe next season if we don't re-sign Bregman After seeing Whitcomb there, I’m inclined to agree. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 2, 2024 20:53:56 GMT -6
1. Re-Sign Bregman.
2. Re-Sign Kikuchi.
3. FA Bat for either the OF or 1B. Cheap Goldy deal?
4. Kick the tires on JV's price.
5. Explore trade offers for Framber if we Re-Sign Kikuchi. Help get a bat? Depends on the offers.
6. Explore trade offers for Caratini (use Salazar as backup).
7. New Hitting Coaches
8. Sign Heyward to a 1-year deal to a straight platoon with Chas.
9. Soul-searching with the back end of the bullpen.
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talshill
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Post by talshill on Oct 2, 2024 20:56:20 GMT -6
3B
1B
SP
RP x 2
CF
If my rough guesstimate is correct Brown should have 80M to play with
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2024 8:44:04 GMT -6
3B 1B SP RP x 2 CF If my rough guesstimate is correct Brown should have 80M to play with Is that before or after arbitration estimates? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2024 9:22:40 GMT -6
So Bregman's average season using his last 3 years:
154 Games
152 Hits
25 HR
89 RBI
92 Runs
32 Doubles
74/83 BB/SO
.260/.349/.449 (.798 OPS // 124 OPS+)
4.5 WAR
I just don't see how you replace that production/value with anybody we have in our farm system.
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Oct 3, 2024 9:36:14 GMT -6
So Bregman's average season using his last 3 years: 154 Games 152 Hits 25 HR 89 RBI 92 Runs 32 Doubles 74/83 BB/SO .260/.349/.449 (.798 OPS // 124 OPS+) 4.5 WAR I just don't see how you replace that production/value with anybody we have in our farm system. You can’t. They really have to resign him. Resign Breggy, Kikuchi, and bring in a 1B or OF: Alonso or Santander anyone? |
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Post by mihdennabios on Oct 3, 2024 13:46:06 GMT -6
Dbacks fired Brent Strom.
like, umm, really?
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 3, 2024 17:31:20 GMT -6
Dbacks fired Brent Strom. like, umm, really? Can he teach hitting and /or base running? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 3, 2024 17:33:31 GMT -6
Dbacks fired Brent Strom. like, umm, really? FTR - if we didn’t have Miller, I would definitely welcome him back. Gladly. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Oct 3, 2024 18:21:12 GMT -6
Dbacks fired Brent Strom. like, umm, really? FTR - if we didn’t have Miller, I would definitely welcome him back. Gladly. Same but we are lucky we have someone just as good. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 3, 2024 18:51:53 GMT -6
FTR - if we didn’t have Miller, I would definitely welcome him back. Gladly. Same but we are lucky we have someone just as good. I agree. The torch could have not been better passed |
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Post by m240 on Oct 3, 2024 19:16:20 GMT -6
3B 1B SP RP x 2 CF If my rough guesstimate is correct Brown should have 80M to play with Is that before or after arbitration estimates? That appears to be before arbitration estimates. Montero and Abreu really mess with the payroll flexibility. After the allocations it looks to me like about 30 million before signing anyone. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2024 20:17:32 GMT -6
Dbacks fired Brent Strom. like, umm, really? Any good fired hitting coaches? |
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Post by talshill on Oct 4, 2024 5:00:44 GMT -6
Is that before or after arbitration estimates? That appears to be before arbitration estimates. Montero and Abreu really mess with the payroll flexibility. After the allocations it looks to me like about 30 million before signing anyone. Correct. It's before. The Astros have a $14M team option on Pressly next year. This was assuming they don't exercise it. My thought process was that 14M goes a long way toward the first year of Bregman's new contract. But I've read speculation that he may want 200-240M, so it may be a non-starter. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 4, 2024 6:11:14 GMT -6
That appears to be before arbitration estimates. Montero and Abreu really mess with the payroll flexibility. After the allocations it looks to me like about 30 million before signing anyone. Correct. It's before. The Astros have a $14M team option on Pressly next year. This was assuming they don't exercise it. My thought process was that 14M goes a long way toward the first year of Bregman's new contract. But I've read speculation that he may want 200-240M, so it may be a non-starter. If Presley's option is a team option for 14 million I would run like a mad man away from doing that deal. He does not seem to have the same juice he had in previous years. Age catches us all. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2024 7:47:46 GMT -6
So Pressly's buyout was reached. We'd pay him $2 million to walk. So we would save $12 million if I understand correctly...
I can't imagine Bregman getting $200 million if Chapman got $150.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 7:56:06 GMT -6
There's been confusion on Pressly. His option vested because he reached the required innings total. Options vesting makes them guarunteed. It cannot be bought out. The buyout was in case he did not reach the required innings total, we would have had the option to pick it up or buy it out. From MLB: www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/vesting-option"A vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold. TL/DR Ryan Pressly is an Astro next year and will make $14 million. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2024 8:07:36 GMT -6
There's been confusion on Pressly. His option vested because he reached the required innings total. Options vesting makes them guarunteed. It cannot be bought out. The buyout was in case he did not reach the required innings total, we would have had the option to pick it up or buy it out. From MLB: www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/vesting-option"A vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold. TL/DR Ryan Pressly is an Astro next year and will make $14 million. Ahh well sh*t. I like Pressly but he isn't worth $14 million. I wonder if there would be any trade value if we ate some of his salary... |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 8:33:39 GMT -6
I'm out on Bregman at this point. I think he'll want too much, but even if not, I think a Bregman resigning would mean there's no chance for a Tucker resigning. I want to save what we can, get the deadweight off the books next year, and go all in on Tucker, who is IMO simply the better player and three years younger too. But of course we need a 3B.
Option 1: Eugenio Suarez - He's honestly as good as Bregman in terms of overall value. He strikes out a lot more, but has more power, and his glove is either as good as or close. He even still plays a passible SS from time to time. He's three years older so he will not command the kind of long-term deal Bregman will, but at 33 he's not Jose Abreu either. My guess would be $25 million per year for three years. The main problem is that the D-Backs have a $15 million option on him, so unless they're insane they'll pick it up and he won't even hit the market.
Option 2: Yoan Moncada - This is my favorite option. I can't fathom the White Sox picking up his $25 million option, unless ownership is willing to pay all that in hopes of a huge rebound that will net them a blue chip prospect at the deadline. Assuming he hits the market, two injury-ravaged years following up a terrible 2022 means he will not command a long term commitment. One year plus an option at $15 million or so should do it, especially since we're contenders. He was hitting well before the injury so presumably good health should let him rebound.
Option 3: Zach Dezenzo - Just go with him. He can play 1B with Dubon at 3B against lefties, and play 3B with Singleton at 1B against righties. This of course is by far the cheapest option, using only internal pieces.
Option 4: A Trade - this is of course impossible to predict, because who knows who is available and what they'll cost and what we're willing to pay etc. But a few thoughts; Nolan Arenado has three expensive years on his deal left, and the Cardinals sound like they're about to rebuild. Despite some decline, he's still a league-average or better hitter (especially if he gets some protection around him) and a super-elite defender. He's coming off two straight years of averaging around 3.0 WAR despite not being in his prime anymore. He's also been about the most healthy player on earth; excluding 2020, he has NINE straight years of 600 PA or more. Another possibility might be Ramon Urias, an Oriole. Two years left before free agency. Baltimore is still a small market so he's the type of guy they might look to off-load, especially if it could be part of a package to get something to help the rest of their roster. Maybe a Framber for Urias + a good prospect or two deal could be reached. He is a solid hitter and passable defender. A clear downgrade from Bregman but if you're worried about the worst case scenario for Dezenzo just falling on his face and the purse strings are tight, this might be the kind of guy they could target.
For a 1B upgrade, if Goldschmidt is willing to swallow his pride and no longer be the everyday guy, that would make all kinds of sense. I don't see a really better option that won't be a lot more expensive for little gain. A Dezenzo/Singleton/Caratini situation is not great but costs nothing, don't be surprised if that ends up as the plan. Singleton was 20% above average against RHP so you can get away with a platoon there until the books get cleared.
Let JV walk if he wants more than maybe $10-15 million guaranteed. The dude, and his wife, are already ludicrously rich, so if he really wants to leave the team he says feels like home for an extra few million, whatever, let him.
Resign Kikuchi. You've given up two solid MLB players plus Loperfido. His age means a 3-4 year deal should be all it takes. Do it.
Trade Framber. They won't resign him and he chokes in the playoffs, so get what you can now.
Ferguson pitched quite well despite everyone on this board thinking otherwise, and only Hader, Kikuchi, and Abreu had better strikeout rates. xFIP was 3.27 with us. 3.68 career ERA. In fact his ERA only ballooned with the Yankees, which happens to a lot of guys. Along with strikeouts he gets a good number of grounders so he's not homer prone. He likely won't cost more than $5 million a year for a couple of years and I am a buyer at that level of commitment. Or, hey, would could just let him walk and then have to deal prospects at the deadline AGAIN for a reliever no better than him.
Tayler Scott is a guy who looks like a flash in the pan to me, so maybe they could trade him befo- who am I kidding, they fired Click so those kinds of smart things don't happen anymore.
Bringing Heyward back would be fine, but I'd love to see Jesse Winker here. He's a lefty and crushes righties, so a Winker + Chas/Dubon platoon could be solid.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 8:36:41 GMT -6
There's been confusion on Pressly. His option vested because he reached the required innings total. Options vesting makes them guarunteed. It cannot be bought out. The buyout was in case he did not reach the required innings total, we would have had the option to pick it up or buy it out. From MLB: www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/vesting-option"A vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold. TL/DR Ryan Pressly is an Astro next year and will make $14 million. Ahh well sh*t. I like Pressly but he isn't worth $14 million. I wonder if there would be any trade value if we ate some of his salary... He would be ideal for some lesser team that is getting competitive and could use both a second-tier closer/setup man + guy with excellent experience on their young team. We might only need to eat $5 million or so to get a good return. But his stuff hasn't really declined much so they might just want to hope for a rebound. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2024 9:37:54 GMT -6
Something to factor in is Altuve's desire to keep Bregman here. Altuve has never gone to bat for another player like he has Bregman. That has to count for something besides just the stats.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 4, 2024 12:52:14 GMT -6
Something to factor in is Altuve's desire to keep Bregman here. Altuve has never gone to bat for another player like he has Bregman. That has to count for something besides just the stats. I'm not keen on gooey fan-site pieces, but everything I've read says his work ethic has been an inspiration to the youngsters |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2024 12:56:52 GMT -6
Something to factor in is Altuve's desire to keep Bregman here. Altuve has never gone to bat for another player like he has Bregman. That has to count for something besides just the stats. I'm not keen on gooey fan-site pieces, but everything I've read says his work ethic has been an inspiration to the youngsters All I will say is that Altuve has been mostly very quiet his entire career. (Which is a pretty nice breath of fresh air from many superstars.) So if he finally speaks up adamantly and thinks something really needs to be done, they really ought to listen. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 13:04:34 GMT -6
Tomoyuki Sugano is expected to sign with an MLB team. He's won the Japanese equivalent of the Cy Young three times, and yet he's days away from his 35th birthday, so he will certainly not get the kind of long-term deal many elite Japanese pitchers do. The fact that he's that old means there will be no posting fees and such either. A two year plus an option deal might be high reward play.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 13:05:34 GMT -6
I'm not keen on gooey fan-site pieces, but everything I've read says his work ethic has been an inspiration to the youngsters All I will say is that Altuve has been mostly very quiet his entire career. (Which is a pretty nice breath of fresh air from many superstars.) So if he finally speaks up adamantly and thinks something really needs to be done, they really ought to listen. It will be interesting to see. No matter how vocal he is about it, if Bregman is asking for a 7-8 year deal for $30 million each or something, I just don't see Crane doing it, no matter what Altuve says. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2024 13:15:00 GMT -6
All I will say is that Altuve has been mostly very quiet his entire career. (Which is a pretty nice breath of fresh air from many superstars.) So if he finally speaks up adamantly and thinks something really needs to be done, they really ought to listen. It will be interesting to see. No matter how vocal he is about it, if Bregman is asking for a 7-8 year deal for $30 million each or something, I just don't see Crane doing it, no matter what Altuve says. I think Bregman is more reasonable than that. As baseball savvy as he is, he has to understand how well his value compares to Chapman. Plus his wife is from Houston and I'm sure they would prefer to stay. I would be very surprised if a 5-6 year for $140-170 type deal wasn't agreeable to both sides. Maybe add on some performance incentives to increase it if necessary. Out of the two (Tucker and Bregman), Tucker definitely has more long-term value and is worthy of a bigger contract. But, if you factor in need, we have more need for Bregman than we do Tucker, and it's easier to replace an OFer. (Not to mention that Tucker's postseason performances leave quite a bit to be desired.) |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 4, 2024 14:14:55 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see. No matter how vocal he is about it, if Bregman is asking for a 7-8 year deal for $30 million each or something, I just don't see Crane doing it, no matter what Altuve says. I think Bregman is more reasonable than that. As baseball savvy as he is, he has to understand how well his value compares to Chapman. Plus his wife is from Houston and I'm sure they would prefer to stay. I would be very surprised if a 5-6 year for $140-170 type deal wasn't agreeable to both sides. Maybe add on some performance incentives to increase it if necessary. Out of the two (Tucker and Bregman), Tucker definitely has more long-term value and is worthy of a bigger contract. But, if you factor in need, we have more need for Bregman than we do Tucker, and it's easier to replace an OFer. (Not to mention that Tucker's postseason performances leave quite a bit to be desired.) It is easier to replace an OF, but if this season is any indication, Tucker isn't just any OF. Tucker kind of exploded this year, he was on pace for the MVP and like 45+ bombs when he got hurt. But then floundered in the playoffs. And his 22-24 playoffs were all pretty bad, yet he was actually pretty good in the playoffs before then. Don't know what to make of him, but he looks like a guy that could put up Berkman-esque career numbers while also being a plus defender in RF. There really isn't a prospect on the farm that can ever hope to replace him. I think six years, $150 would be my absolute max on Bregman. All the talking heads seem to think he's destined for $200+ million though. Guess we'll see. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 4, 2024 16:36:02 GMT -6
I'm not keen on gooey fan-site pieces, but everything I've read says his work ethic has been an inspiration to the youngsters All I will say is that Altuve has been mostly very quiet his entire career. (Which is a pretty nice breath of fresh air from many superstars.) So if he finally speaks up adamantly and thinks something really needs to be done, they really ought to listen. All I'll say is McCrane should be more amenable to Tuve's testimony on Bregs' value to the team than Baggy would've been about Abreu. Regardless of luxury taxes |
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