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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 17, 2024 17:19:54 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 17, 2024 18:41:22 GMT -6
What do you think his asking price would be? FTR - I think Bregman stays |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 17, 2024 19:34:53 GMT -6
What do you think his asking price would be? FTR - I think Bregman stays He did well in his limited playing time this year and is a solid defender, and if he looks good in winter ball, I wouldn't be shocked to see a two year deal for $10-15 million each. But a one year deal might get it done, especially if it's from a winner. And really, he might prefer a one year deal so he could try to hit the market again ASAP after a bounce back. Third base being pretty barren after Bregman (assuming the D-Backs indeed pick up Suarez's option) could give him a boost though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 17, 2024 19:36:30 GMT -6
What do you think his asking price would be? FTR - I think Bregman stays I hope Bregman does. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 17, 2024 21:28:21 GMT -6
What do you think his asking price would be? FTR - I think Bregman stays I hope Bregman does. I have concluded Tucker is gone after next season , and Astros should not overly commit themselves to Valdez; therefore, trade them both in the offseason. Astros didn’t trade Bregman , so the only compensation they can get is a QO, and that doesn’t help the team for the near future. Therefore, hopefully, Bregman takes a 5 year deal (6 max) and Astros get a landfall in both the Tucker and Valdez trades. Astros need an infusion of some young, top talent. We need players that act like making the playoffs is like going to the WS. The core is Alvarez, Altuve, Diaz, Brown and Javier With hopefuls from Hader, B Abreu, Pena, spaghetti, Garcia |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2024 6:10:15 GMT -6
I have concluded Tucker is gone after next season , and Astros should not overly commit themselves to Valdez; therefore, trade them both in the offseason. Astros didn’t trade Bregman , so the only compensation they can get is a QO, and that doesn’t help the team for the near future. Therefore, hopefully, Bregman takes a 5 year deal (6 max) and Astros get a landfall in both the Tucker and Valdez trades. Astros need an infusion of some young, top talent. We need players that act like making the playoffs is like going to the WS. The core is Alvarez, Altuve, Diaz, Brown and Javier With hopefuls from Hader, B Abreu, Pena, spaghetti, Garcia I don’t get the need to infuse young talent when Tucker is already young. Also, they create the problem when they keep trading prospects for rentals. Just keep your young stars and keep drafting. Otherwise, trade guys like Tucker and Framber to get more prospects. I’m starting to think keeping the window open just means halfassing a rebuild. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 18, 2024 6:50:16 GMT -6
I have concluded Tucker is gone after next season , and Astros should not overly commit themselves to Valdez; therefore, trade them both in the offseason. Astros didn’t trade Bregman , so the only compensation they can get is a QO, and that doesn’t help the team for the near future. Therefore, hopefully, Bregman takes a 5 year deal (6 max) and Astros get a landfall in both the Tucker and Valdez trades. Astros need an infusion of some young, top talent. We need players that act like making the playoffs is like going to the WS. The core is Alvarez, Altuve, Diaz, Brown and Javier With hopefuls from Hader, B Abreu, Pena, spaghetti, Garcia I don’t get the need to infuse young talent when Tucker is already young. Also, they create the problem when they keep trading prospects for rentals. Just keep your young stars and keep drafting. Otherwise, trade guys like Tucker and Framber to get more prospects. I’m starting to think keeping the window open just means halfassing a rebuild. I don’t see how re-signing Tucker to a 8 year/$300M and Valdez to a 5 year/$150M is going to be the answer, on keeping the Astros as a WS contender. When they have so many needs and Not enough possible means to address them. Very shallow in depth. And by young, I mean 23 to 25 year old players with 4 to 6 years of control. Tucker should land 4 good prospects/ two of them major league ready and two lower level minor leaguers Valdez should land 3 good players. One major league ready and two lower levels. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2024 7:37:38 GMT -6
I don’t get the need to infuse young talent when Tucker is already young. Also, they create the problem when they keep trading prospects for rentals. Just keep your young stars and keep drafting. Otherwise, trade guys like Tucker and Framber to get more prospects. I’m starting to think keeping the window open just means halfassing a rebuild. I don’t see how re-signing Tucker to a 8 year/$300M and Valdez to a 5 year/$150M is going to be the answer, on keeping the Astros as a WS contender. When they have so many needs and Not enough possible means to address them. Very shallow in depth. And by young, I mean 23 to 25 year old players with 4 to 6 years of control. Tucker should land 4 good prospects/ two of them major league ready and two lower level minor leaguers Valdez should land 3 good players. One major league ready and two lower levels. That's the problem. We're paying Yordan and Altuve a lot of money over the next few years already. If we keep Bregman he'll be in a similar range. You're talking upwards of a $100 million a year for those three players. I just don't see how you can add on the contracts of Tucker and Framber while also maintaining decent players for the rest of the roster. No team in baseball finds a way to pay all of their veteran star homegrown players and also keep other areas filled well. You have to find ways to add value without adding a ton of salary. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 18, 2024 8:16:14 GMT -6
I don’t see how re-signing Tucker to a 8 year/$300M and Valdez to a 5 year/$150M is going to be the answer, on keeping the Astros as a WS contender. When they have so many needs and Not enough possible means to address them. Very shallow in depth. And by young, I mean 23 to 25 year old players with 4 to 6 years of control. Tucker should land 4 good prospects/ two of them major league ready and two lower level minor leaguers Valdez should land 3 good players. One major league ready and two lower levels. That's the problem. We're paying Yordan and Altuve a lot of money over the next few years already. If we keep Bregman he'll be in a similar range. You're talking upwards of a $100 million a year for those three players. I just don't see how you can add on the contracts of Tucker and Framber while also maintaining decent players for the rest of the roster. No team in baseball finds a way to pay all of their veteran star homegrown players and also keep other areas filled well. You have to find ways to add value without adding a ton of salary. I agree, they need to be traded now, when they have optimal value. Tucker is going to a command gigantic contract. Valdez’s will be significant as well. Thus handicapping the team for years to come, Therefore, the Astros need to retool. It’s not a rebuild. That would entail putting Alvarez and Altuve on the trade block. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2024 17:22:12 GMT -6
I don’t see how re-signing Tucker to a 8 year/$300M and Valdez to a 5 year/$150M is going to be the answer, on keeping the Astros as a WS contender. When they have so many needs and Not enough possible means to address them. Very shallow in depth. And by young, I mean 23 to 25 year old players with 4 to 6 years of control. Tucker should land 4 good prospects/ two of them major league ready and two lower level minor leaguers Valdez should land 3 good players. One major league ready and two lower levels. That's the problem. We're paying Yordan and Altuve a lot of money over the next few years already. If we keep Bregman he'll be in a similar range. You're talking upwards of a $100 million a year for those three players. I just don't see how you can add on the contracts of Tucker and Framber while also maintaining decent players for the rest of the roster. No team in baseball finds a way to pay all of their veteran star homegrown players and also keep other areas filled well. You have to find ways to add value without adding a ton of salary. The problem is they’re forced into these tough decisions on keeping Bregman and Tucker in order to keep the window open because they continue to disregard their lowly ranked farm. Do people honestly think they can replace Bregman and Tucker without missing a beat? Altuve isn’t getting any younger, patient, or more defensive minded at this rate, and Yordan is becoming a DH only player. Bregman is their best infielder. Tucker is their best outfielder. Their farm is ranked dead last. All this “next man up” talk is just coping. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 18, 2024 17:53:32 GMT -6
That's the problem. We're paying Yordan and Altuve a lot of money over the next few years already. If we keep Bregman he'll be in a similar range. You're talking upwards of a $100 million a year for those three players. I just don't see how you can add on the contracts of Tucker and Framber while also maintaining decent players for the rest of the roster. No team in baseball finds a way to pay all of their veteran star homegrown players and also keep other areas filled well. You have to find ways to add value without adding a ton of salary. The problem is they’re forced into these tough decisions on keeping Bregman and Tucker in order to keep the window open because they continue to disregard their lowly ranked farm. Do people honestly think they can replace Bregman and Tucker without missing a beat? Altuve isn’t getting any younger, patient, or more defensive minded at this rate, and Yordan is becoming a DH only player. Bregman is their best infielder. Tucker is their best outfielder. Their farm is ranked dead last. All this “next man up” talk is just coping. The Astros only get 1 draft compensatory pick if they offer Bregman a QO, and he signs elsewhere. The time/years to see if that one comp pick pans out doesn’t work for the current group of players. Therefore, the Astros should try to sign Bregman, if he will do a 5 year deal (6 year max). Tucker and even Valdez should yield the Astros top major league ready players. At least it gives the team the opportunity to have players that can contribute to the current team’s success for the next 3 to 4 years. When is the last time the Astros traded away top players to get top talent? I would way rather get something good for Tucker now, before I see him wearing some other team’s jersey in 2026. Valdez, I just don’t want the Astros to commit a big contract to him. Therefore, trade him this offseason as well. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 19, 2024 6:29:55 GMT -6
Would you be against this trade
Phillies trade
Castellanos ($20 M for next two years)
Painter (top 100 prospect)
Crawford (top 100 prospect)
Phillies prospect probably 10-20 range in their farm
Astros trade
Tucker
Pressly ($14 M next year)
Phillies would probably want to shed Castellanos contract to sign Tucker to a huge contract. Castellanos is a decent filler piece for next two years. Main thing is to get one of the best pitching prospects in the minors (is coming off an injury) and a super talented. OF prospect. Main negative to Crawford he is more small ball player (can get on base and wreak havoc on the bases - below average power), than the all or nothing player that the Astros covet.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 19, 2024 7:18:45 GMT -6
For Shits and Giggles - this probably is a no-way, in your dreams
Red Sox trade:
Brayan Bello (25 year old pitcher - #3 in their currrent rotation)
And two Red Sox prospects -10 to 20 range
Astros:
Valdez
Pedro Leon
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 19, 2024 7:48:33 GMT -6
For Shits and Giggles - this probably is a no-way, in your dreams Red Sox trade: Brayan Bello (25 year old pitcher - #3 in their currrent rotation) And two Red Sox prospects -10 to 20 range Astros: Valdez Pedro Leon I couldn’t care less who they trade Framber for if they’re not keeping him. I wanted him traded last offseason. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 19, 2024 19:16:25 GMT -6
For Shits and Giggles - this probably is a no-way, in your dreams Red Sox trade: Brayan Bello (25 year old pitcher - #3 in their currrent rotation) And two Red Sox prospects -10 to 20 range Astros: Valdez Pedro Leon I couldn’t care less who they trade Framber for if they’re not keeping him. I wanted him traded last offseason. Honestly, the Astros had a good run, one for the ages. If they don’t trade Tucker and Valdez this offseason, can they still win the AL West this upcoming season? I think it’s highly probable, but that is the ceiling, just like it was this last season. Thus, it’s time to go back to the drawing board. Trade Tucker and Valdez, get some top talent that is major league ready. They could still win the AL West, albeit it will be a lot harder. However, if those top talented, major league ready prospects really establish themselves, then after 2 seasons the team might be ready to go deep in the playoffs. And that is perfect timing bc McCullers’, Montero’s and Abreu’s contracts will all have expired. (Remember Pressly’s contract expires after next season. Then the Astros should be in prime position to go after the most sought after FAs. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 19, 2024 19:18:55 GMT -6
I couldn’t care less who they trade Framber for if they’re not keeping him. I wanted him traded last offseason. Honestly, the Astros had a good run, one for the ages. If they don’t trade Tucker and Valdez this offseason, can they still win the AL West this upcoming season? I think it’s highly probable, but that is the ceiling, just like it was this last season. Thus, it’s time to go back to the drawing board. Trade Tucker and Valdez, get some top talent that is major league ready. They could still win the AL West, albeit it will be a lot harder. However, if those top talented, major league ready prospects really establish themselves, then after 2 seasons the team might be ready to go deep in the playoffs. And that is perfect timing bc McCullers’, Montero’s and Abreu’s will have expired. (Remember Pressly’s contract expires after next season. Then the Astros should be in prime position to go after the most sought after FAs. Do you think they go for payroll relief by getting rid of Montero, Pressly, or Neris? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 19, 2024 19:25:45 GMT -6
Honestly, the Astros had a good run, one for the ages. If they don’t trade Tucker and Valdez this offseason, can they still win the AL West this upcoming season? I think it’s highly probable, but that is the ceiling, just like it was this last season. Thus, it’s time to go back to the drawing board. Trade Tucker and Valdez, get some top talent that is major league ready. They could still win the AL West, albeit it will be a lot harder. However, if those top talented, major league ready prospects really establish themselves, then after 2 seasons the team might be ready to go deep in the playoffs. And that is perfect timing bc McCullers’, Montero’s and Abreu’s will have expired. (Remember Pressly’s contract expires after next season. Then the Astros should be in prime position to go after the most sought after FAs. Do you think they go for payroll relief by getting rid of Montero, Pressly, or Neris? Pressly , we might find someone to give up something decent for him.. maybe. Montero, now you’re just being silly. Neris, they don’t owe him anything, he was DFA’d by another team, right? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 19, 2024 21:57:51 GMT -6
Do you think they go for payroll relief by getting rid of Montero, Pressly, or Neris? Pressly , we might find someone to give up something decent for him.. maybe. Montero, now you’re just being silly. Neris, they don’t owe him anything, he was DFA’d by another team, right? Neris is still on the team next season and they’re at least paying some of that unless they were dumb enough to assume the whole contract. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 26, 2024 15:35:59 GMT -6
Cleveland 1B Josh Naylor may hit the trade block. He had a down year by his standards but still hit 30+ HR without striking out much and posting a career-best walk rate. He's only going to be 28 next year and would be a significant upgrade over Singleton and yet you could still give Dezenzo some time there against tougher lefties that Naylor struggles against. If they could sign him to an extension after the trade it could end up solving the 1B problem without costing what Vlad will.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 26, 2024 15:41:56 GMT -6
Cleveland 1B Josh Naylor may hit the trade block. He had a down year by his standards but still hit 30+ HR without striking out much and posting a career-best walk rate. He's only going to be 28 next year and would be a significant upgrade over Singleton and yet you could still give Dezenzo some time there against tougher lefties that Naylor struggles against. If they could sign him to an extension after the trade it could end up solving the 1B problem without costing what Vlad will. The question is why is he on the trade block? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 27, 2024 5:53:12 GMT -6
Rank these deals from best to worst that you would hope the Astros would offer
1. Bregman 6 years/$168M
2. Valdez 4 years/$120M
3. Tucker 8 years/$300M
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 27, 2024 9:06:32 GMT -6
Cleveland 1B Josh Naylor may hit the trade block. He had a down year by his standards but still hit 30+ HR without striking out much and posting a career-best walk rate. He's only going to be 28 next year and would be a significant upgrade over Singleton and yet you could still give Dezenzo some time there against tougher lefties that Naylor struggles against. If they could sign him to an extension after the trade it could end up solving the 1B problem without costing what Vlad will. The question is why is he on the trade block? Cleveland, like the Rays, and unlike certain other teams, has the cajones to trade a popular player they know they won't sign long-term. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 27, 2024 9:10:32 GMT -6
Rank these deals from best to worst that you would hope the Astros would offer 1. Bregman 6 years/$168M 2. Valdez 4 years/$120M 3. Tucker 8 years/$300M Tucker: that's a huge AAV, but I believe the talent will bear out his worth at that level if he keeps healthy. I would try to lower it a bit, like $280 over eight. Bregman: AAV is fine, but six years is scary. We may already be seeing decline. I would not be shocked to see him fall apart well before that contract is up. Valdez: Honestly not a terrible deal, but he's untrustworthy and has played arguably the single biggest role in the last two playoff runs ending. I just don't trust him. There is a very real chance that Kikuchi matches his value over the next 3-4 years for 33% less money than that proposed deal, and I think Framber's cache will get him a fifth year and possibly a higher AAV than that even. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 27, 2024 10:25:26 GMT -6
Rank these deals from best to worst that you would hope the Astros would offer 1. Bregman 6 years/$168M 2. Valdez 4 years/$120M 3. Tucker 8 years/$300M Tucker: that's a huge AAV, but I believe the talent will bear out his worth at that level if he keeps healthy. I would try to lower it a bit, like $280 over eight. Bregman: AAV is fine, but six years is scary. We may already be seeing decline. I would not be shocked to see him fall apart well before that contract is up. Valdez: Honestly not a terrible deal, but he's untrustworthy and has played arguably the single biggest role in the last two playoff runs ending. I just don't trust him. There is a very real chance that Kikuchi matches his value over the next 3-4 years for 33% less money than that proposed deal, and I think Framber's cache will get him a fifth year and possibly a higher AAV than that even. Would you rather Bregman 5 years/$150M or 6 years/$168M Also Tucker 8 years/$300M Or Tucker and Pressly For Castellanos + Painter + Crawford + Phillies X prospect in their 15-20 range |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 27, 2024 19:47:14 GMT -6
Tucker: that's a huge AAV, but I believe the talent will bear out his worth at that level if he keeps healthy. I would try to lower it a bit, like $280 over eight. Bregman: AAV is fine, but six years is scary. We may already be seeing decline. I would not be shocked to see him fall apart well before that contract is up. Valdez: Honestly not a terrible deal, but he's untrustworthy and has played arguably the single biggest role in the last two playoff runs ending. I just don't trust him. There is a very real chance that Kikuchi matches his value over the next 3-4 years for 33% less money than that proposed deal, and I think Framber's cache will get him a fifth year and possibly a higher AAV than that even. Would you rather Bregman 5 years/$150M or 6 years/$168M Also Tucker 8 years/$300M Or Tucker and Pressly For Castellanos + Painter + Crawford + Phillies X prospect in their 15-20 range Saving just two million per year would not be enough saving to be worth risking an extra year. I'd go for the five year deal for sure. If they're willing to extend Tucker, that is the best bet. He is a superstar level hitter and we will not be able to replace him. I only want him traded if they know they won't sign him, IOW either extend him or get a big package for his last year. Don't just let him walk for a mediocre draft pick slot. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 27, 2024 20:09:51 GMT -6
Would you rather Bregman 5 years/$150M or 6 years/$168M Also Tucker 8 years/$300M Or Tucker and Pressly For Castellanos + Painter + Crawford + Phillies X prospect in their 15-20 range Saving just two million per year would not be enough saving to be worth risking an extra year. I'd go for the five year deal for sure. If they're willing to extend Tucker, that is the best bet. He is a superstar level hitter and we will not be able to replace him. I only want him traded if they know they won't sign him, IOW either extend him or get a big package for his last year. Don't just let him walk for a mediocre draft pick slot. Bregman , I agree with you. Tucker, partially. I trade him this OS, bc I know Crane will not pay him for what he is asking/will get |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 28, 2024 7:22:51 GMT -6
Saving just two million per year would not be enough saving to be worth risking an extra year. I'd go for the five year deal for sure. If they're willing to extend Tucker, that is the best bet. He is a superstar level hitter and we will not be able to replace him. I only want him traded if they know they won't sign him, IOW either extend him or get a big package for his last year. Don't just let him walk for a mediocre draft pick slot. Bregman , I agree with you. Tucker, partially. I trade him this OS, bc I know Crane will not pay him for what he is asking/will get That's what I'm saying too. If Crane knows he doesn't want to give him that huge contract, then the wise move is to trade him. You could get away with it with Springer, Correa, Cole etc. because the system was healthy and it was next man up back then. Not so anymore. There is no replacing Tucker internally. You have to do the hard but smart thing for the long-term success of the team. Letting Tucker walk for just one pick would be foolish. At best that pick would be essentially a third round pick, and if the Astros are over the CBT threshold it will essentially be just a fifth round pick. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 28, 2024 7:57:23 GMT -6
Bregman , I agree with you. Tucker, partially. I trade him this OS, bc I know Crane will not pay him for what he is asking/will get That's what I'm saying too. If Crane knows he doesn't want to give him that huge contract, then the wise move is to trade him. You could get away with it with Springer, Correa, Cole etc. because the system was healthy and it was next man up back then. Not so anymore. There is no replacing Tucker internally. You have to do the hard but smart thing for the long-term success of the team. Letting Tucker walk for just one pick would be foolish. At best that pick would be essentially a third round pick, and if the Astros are over the CBT threshold it will essentially be just a fifth round pick. It’s time for Crane and the fans to face reality. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2024 9:31:33 GMT -6
1. Sign Bregman.
2. Sign Kikuchi.
3. Move Diaz to 1B.
4. Trade Tucker.
5. Promote Melton and hope for the best.
6. Trade Framber if out of contention by the AS break.
7. Promote Salazar to primary backup catcher.
8. Sign Santander
Altuve 2B
Bregman 3B
Yordan DH
Santander RF
Diaz 1B
Pena SS
Caratini C
Melton CF
Chas LF
Framber
Brown
Kikuchi
Blanco
Arrighetti
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 28, 2024 15:10:53 GMT -6
1. Sign Bregman. 2. Sign Kikuchi. 3. Move Diaz to 1B. 4. Trade Tucker. 5. Promote Melton and hope for the best. 6. Trade Framber if out of contention by the AS break. 7. Promote Salazar to primary backup catcher. 8. Sign Santander Altuve 2B Bregman 3B Yordan DH Santander RF Diaz 1B Pena SS Caratini C Melton CF Chas LF Framber Brown Kikuchi Blanco Arrighetti No McCullers? |
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