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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 15:32:37 GMT -6
How many games are we going to suffer watching Keuchel’s bad luck?
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Post by batman007 on Jun 27, 2018 15:35:35 GMT -6
Only if he does a nude photo shoot
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 27, 2018 15:37:44 GMT -6
Given the number of innings he's thrown, I see nothing wrong with resting Keuchel on the 10-day DL and giving a couple starts to Collin. If he's not fully stretched out, maybe just ask him to throw 75 pitches and then turn it over to Peacock for a couple innings.
It will probably make sense to rest Lance and Charlie the same way after the ASB.
This is also a good way to bring up one or two deserving AAA pitchers and see how they adjust to major league hitting. Cionel Perez is one I'd like to see, and maybe Cy Sneed or Brock Dyxhoorn.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 15:37:48 GMT -6
Only if he does a nude photo shoot What a heathen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 15:39:47 GMT -6
I think I know what’s going on. Keuchel is intentionally putting people on base in order to practice double play drills.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 27, 2018 15:49:13 GMT -6
We haven't seen the Astros turn a triple play in a few years. I think Jonathan Villar started that triple play, so it must have been a while ago.
Keuchel figures, you can't turn a triple play without two men already on.
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Post by m240 on Jun 27, 2018 16:13:50 GMT -6
Given the number of innings he's thrown, I see nothing wrong with resting Keuchel on the 10-day DL and giving a couple starts to Collin. If he's not fully stretched out, maybe just ask him to throw 75 pitches and then turn it over to Peacock for a couple innings. It will probably make sense to rest Lance and Charlie the same way after the ASB. This is also a good way to bring up one or two deserving AAA pitchers and see how they adjust to major league hitting. Cionel Perez is one I'd like to see, and maybe Cy Sneed or Brock Dyxhoorn. Armenteros is the guy I would like to see brought up. I think you are right on getting McHugh stretched out it should go kind of like they do in Spring Training 50, 60-65, 75-80, 90-100. So rotate Keuchel out, then McCullers, and then whoever seems to be waning at that point. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 27, 2018 16:29:19 GMT -6
He didn't give up any earned runs his last two starts....
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 16:33:20 GMT -6
Was that good luck?
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Post by Saint on Jun 27, 2018 17:15:08 GMT -6
You used to understand use stats to support your arguments. What happened? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 17:16:58 GMT -6
Son, I’m just messing with you.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 27, 2018 17:52:37 GMT -6
You used to understand use stats to support your arguments. What happened? wat |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 27, 2018 22:49:45 GMT -6
Only if he does a nude photo shoot What a heathen. Doing a nude photo shoot makes him a classless dumbass. On the subject of McHugh replacing him in the rotation, I voted YES to that awhile back and I've see nothing to make me change my mind. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 0:49:28 GMT -6
The Astros are 7-9 in games started by Keuchel. Average runs scored by the Astros in his starts is 4.75, which should be enough for a winning record.
It's true there have been some games when the offense scored one or zero runs for Keuchel, alongside some blowouts where the Astros scored 10+.
At this point, Keuchel probably would not merit a postseason start, but could make the bullpen as a lefty long reliever.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 0:51:26 GMT -6
Keuchel's 9.5 hits per 9 innings is his worst mark since 2013.
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 7:38:50 GMT -6
Keuchel's 9.5 hits per 9 innings is his worst mark since 2013. But how much of that is soft contact hits with a low % chance? I'd imagine it's higher than normal. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 7:49:07 GMT -6
McHugh and Peacock are perfect right where they're at for now. Let them stay rested and healthy and helping in multi-inning situations. If/when a starter goes down, they'll be ready to step in. Keuchel, even while struggling, is maintaining a 4.00 ERA +/- and is on pace to pitch 200+ innings. If that's our worst starting pitcher that's amazing. And remember, he just came off a 2-game stretch with no earned runs given up before one bad inning yesterday. I think he'll end up with a 3.60ish ERA if he stays healthy.
This is the great thing with having depth. Our rotation is great and Keuchel is being mediocre and saving the bullpen. If he is still only mediocre come postseason, he moves to the bullpen as a lefty reliever. There is no need to change things up right now as long as we keep winning. We will have an injury in the rotation and have to use McHugh and/or Peacock so there is no point in wasting them and potentially tiring them out if we think they could end up being more useful later on.
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Post by m240 on Jun 28, 2018 9:04:11 GMT -6
McHugh and Peacock are perfect right where they're at for now. Let them stay rested and healthy and helping in multi-inning situations. If/when a starter goes down, they'll be ready to step in. Keuchel, even while struggling, is maintaining a 4.00 ERA +/- and is on pace to pitch 200+ innings. If that's our worst starting pitcher that's amazing. And remember, he just came off a 2-game stretch with no earned runs given up before one bad inning yesterday. I think he'll end up with a 3.60ish ERA if he stays healthy. This is the great thing with having depth. Our rotation is great and Keuchel is being mediocre and saving the bullpen. If he is still only mediocre come postseason, he moves to the bullpen as a lefty reliever. There is no need to change things up right now as long as we keep winning. We will have an injury in the rotation and have to use McHugh and/or Peacock so there is no point in wasting them and potentially tiring them out if we think they could end up being more useful later on. When you consider that our top 3 starters will have to get through 162 games, 32/33 games, plus 6 playoff starts, that will mean that they will pitch 240-250 innings before it is all said and done. I am for giving all of our starters a couple of weeks off mid year to keep them fresh for the playoffs. One thing I noticed last year was most of the top pitchers in the playoffs hit a wall and fell apart, Sale, Kluber, Kershaw, Scherzer, all had worse post seasons that they had seasons. The only two guys that seemed to do better were Verlander and Strasberg, at least that is all that comes to mind. So in my little mind it makes good sense to give the guys a break and hold down their inning counts. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 9:09:19 GMT -6
McHugh and Peacock are perfect right where they're at for now. Let them stay rested and healthy and helping in multi-inning situations. If/when a starter goes down, they'll be ready to step in. Keuchel, even while struggling, is maintaining a 4.00 ERA +/- and is on pace to pitch 200+ innings. If that's our worst starting pitcher that's amazing. And remember, he just came off a 2-game stretch with no earned runs given up before one bad inning yesterday. I think he'll end up with a 3.60ish ERA if he stays healthy. This is the great thing with having depth. Our rotation is great and Keuchel is being mediocre and saving the bullpen. If he is still only mediocre come postseason, he moves to the bullpen as a lefty reliever. There is no need to change things up right now as long as we keep winning. We will have an injury in the rotation and have to use McHugh and/or Peacock so there is no point in wasting them and potentially tiring them out if we think they could end up being more useful later on. When you consider that our top 3 starters will have to get through 162 games, 32/33 games, plus 6 playoff starts, that will mean that they will pitch 240-250 innings before it is all said and done. I am for giving all of our starters a couple of weeks off mid year to keep them fresh for the playoffs. One thing I noticed last year was most of the top pitchers in the playoffs hit a wall and fell apart, Sale, Kluber, Kershaw, Scherzer, all had worse post seasons that they had seasons. The only two guys that seemed to do better were Verlander and Strasberg, at least that is all that comes to mind. So in my little mind it makes good sense to give the guys a break and hold down their inning counts. If the Astros can get another top bullpen arm that will allow them to stretch out Peacock and McHugh more....so they can go from long inning relief to starting.....and thus rotate the current starters out of DL stints. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 9:13:02 GMT -6
it's true that most teams would gladly take a 7-9 W/L record behind their #5 starter.
Of course, no one considered Keuchel a #5 at the beginning of the year, and he might be pitching like a #1 by September for all I know.
However I think Hinch would be wise to treat Keuchel just like he's treating Correa right now, meaning to keep him out of games if he's not feeling right, as he'll be needed to contribute down the stretch.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2018 9:51:18 GMT -6
Dallas Keuchel is a soft-tossing groundball artist who is heavily dependent on the umpire for quality outings. I also feel like teams adjust on him easier than most pitchers due to not only the low velocity but also the relative lack of variance in speed between the pitches, which leads to walks, hits, and also hitting balls through the shifts. Regardless of luck, Todd, teams are consistently exposing Keuchel for his mediocrity. Struggling against lowly teams like the Blue Jays and putting the team behind the 8-ball after one inning are not the handiwork on a reliable starting pitcher.
I never said that Keuchel is not a major leaguer or anything, but he is simply not reliable. He has a tendency to have too much traffic on the basepaths where you see batters just aren’t falling for his out of the zone tosses.
I’m down to 50/50 about wanting Luhnow to give a QO to him after the season.
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Post by olpapa on Jun 28, 2018 10:01:27 GMT -6
Only if he does a nude photo shoot What a heathen. I don’t know what the big deal is. Keuchel has been exposed on the mound numerous times this season. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 28, 2018 10:02:41 GMT -6
Keuchel, even while struggling, is maintaining a 4.00 ERA +/- and is on pace to pitch 200+ innings. If that's our worst starting pitcher that's amazing. ..Our rotation is great and Keuchel is being mediocre and saving the bullpen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2018 10:09:29 GMT -6
Keuchel, even while struggling, is maintaining a 4.00 ERA +/- and is on pace to pitch 200+ innings. If that's our worst starting pitcher that's amazing. ..Our rotation is great and Keuchel is being mediocre and saving the bullpen. But would it outdo McHugh if he were the 5th starter? I guess the situation is what it is because they can’t picture what value Keuchel would have if he weren’t in the rotation. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 10:20:39 GMT -6
I don’t know what the big deal is. Keuchel has been exposed on the mound numerous times this season. ******* |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -6
Keuchel's basic stats like FIP, strikeouts per 9 innings, velocity, etc. are all trending downward. No big surprise there given his age; but I wouldn't expect Keuchel next year to be better than Keuchel this year. If he's kicking a 4.30 ERA now, it's likely to be 4.50 by late June 2019. Maybe that is enough to cut it as a #5 starter in MLB. But I think the Astros can do better for a #5 next year.
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Post by talshill on Jun 28, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -6
I can remember a lot of folks being upset that Luhnow didn't extend Keuchel after the 2015 season. I like Keuchel, but soft-tossers don't tend to age well (Greg Maddux notwithstanding). In any event I don't think they're going to yank him from the rotation unless he's injured (or pitches so poorly they pretend he's injured), but I do think he won't pitch well enough the rest of the season to warrant a big-money contract. He'll probably still start in the post-season, but he'll be on a short leash.
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 10:43:11 GMT -6
it's not flashy praise, but the value of it shouldn't be understated But would it outdo McHugh if he were the 5th starter? I guess the situation is what it is because they can’t picture what value Keuchel would have if he weren’t in the rotation. I don't think there is any benefit to swapping them when one is mediocre in his role (if not better) and the other is excelling and might be needed to fill in for somebody else. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 10:44:45 GMT -6
And btw, my defense is for this year. I don't want to bring him back for a multi-year deal. Leave him alone this year unless he collapses. Offer him a QO, take the draft pick when he leaves, and try to bring Morton back.
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Post by Saint on Aug 8, 2018 13:28:15 GMT -6
Keuchel is on pace for:
208 IP 34 Starts 13 Wins and a 3.53 ERA
Since this thread was updated:
5-1 with a 1.65 ERA in July and a 2.77 ERA so far in August
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