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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 23:30:40 GMT -6
Once again, I go to work and entrust to you guys a simple task like seeing the Astros through to victory, and you do this one-run-loss thing.
The baseball gods must not have like Bortaz's singing to start the game.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 23:32:32 GMT -6
they should pinch hit White for Gonzales Hinch seriously didn't use White to go up against Alvarado??? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 23:35:42 GMT -6
No way I want a "rookie" in that position with 2 outs. I'd rather have MarwinThis This is something we have to disagree on. Marwin has been terrible this year. I would rather start looking somewhere else. White hasn't been that bad and in fact has been pretty productive on getting on base. White debuted in 2016 so I don't consider him a rookie. For the past 3 years, he's hit lefties well at all levels, majors and minors alike. It's at least worth giving him a shot against Alvarado. White tends to average 1 HR per 22 PAs or so, and has 15 PAs so far, so he is close to being due for a bomb. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 23:36:35 GMT -6
Marwin is 2 for his last 31. One of my main gripes with Hinch is how he keeps putting the same guys in the lineup even though they are doing nothing positive to help us win. I know Marwin can play all over the field, but, he killed us tonight at the plate and at SS. He made things more complicated than they needed to be yesterday too, with that throwing error with 2 outs in the 9th. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 23:40:23 GMT -6
Nice to see Reed hasn't learned anything yet I kind of think LUhnow gave Hinch marching orders back in March to give all the future 1B candidates (Davis, Reed, White) some time in the bigs this year to evaluate them over 50-70 PAs, regardless of performance. Mainly to build a data set that will help Luhnow decide who stays and who goes at the trade deadline and then later in the offseason. This is a painful strategy as it means one or two dud players like Reed will be able to make a mess of some games, but it does serve a long-term organizational need. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 30, 2018 0:14:42 GMT -6
It sounds like Gurriel, and probably even White, would have grabbed that throw from Marwin, conceivably allowing the Astros to win 2-1.
Gurriel returns on Sunday, I think, so the Astros will have to send somebody down then... I would hope Reed
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 1:31:45 GMT -6
Did not like George being a PR instead of a PH at the end there. Why would you send a guy in a 6-60 slump up to pinch hit? Worth a shot over Marwin batting righty, but the bigger reason against my idea was who do you put in at SS afterwards? Edit: Bregman at SS, White at 3B so my point stands. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 1:48:46 GMT -6
It sounds like Gurriel, and probably even White, would have grabbed that throw from Marwin, conceivably allowing the Astros to win 2-1. Gurriel returns on Sunday, I think, so the Astros will have to send somebody down then... I would hope Reed They had a whole article on how Gurriel is great at throws in the dirt. Reed is slowly becoming more disappointing. Ditto for Marwin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 2:03:25 GMT -6
Nice to see Reed hasn't learned anything yet I kind of think LUhnow gave Hinch marching orders back in March to give all the future 1B candidates (Davis, Reed, White) some time in the bigs this year to evaluate them over 50-70 PAs, regardless of performance. Mainly to build a data set that will help Luhnow decide who stays and who goes at the trade deadline and then later in the offseason. This is a painful strategy as it means one or two dud players like Reed will be able to make a mess of some games, but it does serve a long-term organizational need. I can see that. But we can all see that Reed is a farm system hitter. His ceiling is probably 20 HRs while hitting .260 in the majors. Take what you can get in a trade and don't toy with the notion of bringing him up in hopes he gets off to a fast start. That will backfire. Might as well leave him off the 40 man roster for the rule 5 draft at that point |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 30, 2018 6:52:07 GMT -6
Why would you send a guy in a 6-60 slump up to pinch hit? Worth a shot over Marwin batting righty, but the bigger reason against my idea was who do you put in at SS afterwards? Edit: Bregman at SS, White at 3B so my point stands. that's exactly what i would have done. Let Bregman play SS and White 3B. True, White is not a stellar defender at 3B but the critical thing in that situation is scoring a run or two. It'd be rather unlikely that White would make an error at 3B in what little might remain of the game after that. White has gotten starts at all 4 infield positions at Fresno this year. Specifically, he got: 22 games at 3B 20 games at 2B 9 games at 1B 8 games at SS 2 games in the outfield So, he has some idea of what to do with the glove no matter where he plays, even though he's below average at every position. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 30, 2018 6:53:08 GMT -6
I kind of think LUhnow gave Hinch marching orders back in March to give all the future 1B candidates (Davis, Reed, White) some time in the bigs this year to evaluate them over 50-70 PAs, regardless of performance. Mainly to build a data set that will help Luhnow decide who stays and who goes at the trade deadline and then later in the offseason. This is a painful strategy as it means one or two dud players like Reed will be able to make a mess of some games, but it does serve a long-term organizational need. I can see that. But we can all see that Reed is a farm system hitter. His ceiling is probably 20 HRs while hitting .260 in the majors. Take what you can get in a trade and don't toy with the notion of bringing him up in hopes he gets off to a fast start. That will backfire. Might as well leave him off the 40 man roster for the rule 5 draft at that point It's painful when Luhnow has his clipboard and Hinch has own clipboard too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 7:52:29 GMT -6
Why would you send a guy in a 6-60 slump up to pinch hit? Worth a shot over Marwin batting righty, but the bigger reason against my idea was who do you put in at SS afterwards? Edit: Bregman at SS, White at 3B so my point stands. If we had started the game with Bregman at SS and White at third base, we may have won the game. I am probably the only one who thinks this,but, to me Marwin often looks like he doesn't give a damn. He is another guy t hat Hinch keeps running out there due to what he did last year. He and Keuchel are both in walk years of contracts and they have been the main two who haven't produced as expected. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 30, 2018 8:20:11 GMT -6
We get it, Marshall. You don't like women. That way of thinking may have been okay in the 50's, but they're an equal part of our work force now. I LOVE women. Just not when baseball is supposed to be the focus. Don't dare try to pigeon hole me as a male chauvenist. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 30, 2018 8:39:38 GMT -6
Why would you send a guy in a 6-60 slump up to pinch hit? Worth a shot over Marwin batting righty, but the bigger reason against my idea was who do you put in at SS afterwards? Edit: Bregman at SS, White at 3B so my point stands. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 8:55:39 GMT -6
Worth a shot over Marwin batting righty, but the bigger reason against my idea was who do you put in at SS afterwards? Edit: Bregman at SS, White at 3B so my point stands. If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 30, 2018 9:04:27 GMT -6
they should pinch hit White for Gonzales Hinch seriously didn't use White to go up against Alvarado??? I think Hinch is scared of some of these guys. He has to remember this is not 2017 and he has to go with how these guys are doing today not last year. Last year having Gonzales up there in that spot was a gift, this year it is just plain dumb. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 10:49:17 GMT -6
I'm not so sure White can man 3B. I cringe at the thought of merely trying it If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. Hey I liked Wigginton. We could use a couple guys like that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 11:14:22 GMT -6
Hinch seriously didn't use White to go up against Alvarado??? I think Hinch is scared of some of these guys. He has to remember this is not 2017 and he has to go with how these guys are doing today not last year. Last year having Gonzales up there in that spot was a gift, this year it is just plain dumb. If he is scared to use them, they should not be here..........another reason why many of us want Kyle Tucker. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 30, 2018 12:38:01 GMT -6
I think Hinch is scared of some of these guys. He has to remember this is not 2017 and he has to go with how these guys are doing today not last year. Last year having Gonzales up there in that spot was a gift, this year it is just plain dumb. If he is scared to use them, they should not be here..........another reason why many of us want Kyle Tucker. Not scared to use them, scared of their reaction if he does not use them. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 30, 2018 14:01:41 GMT -6
If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. Hey I liked Wigginton. We could use a couple guys like that. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 14:31:05 GMT -6
Hey I liked Wigginton. We could use a couple guys like that. I didn't pay as much attention to defensive metrics back then. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 15:07:35 GMT -6
If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. Hey I liked Wigginton. We could use a couple guys like that. Not the bat I was talking about. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 30, 2018 19:27:31 GMT -6
I'm not so sure White can man 3B. I cringe at the thought of merely trying it If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. I was so mad when Ty Wigginton was let go. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 21:45:48 GMT -6
If we survived Wigginton at 3B, we can handle a couple innings from White. I was so mad when Ty Wigginton was let go. He was a solid hitter. I appreciated him, especially that one year they shocked everyone and had a winning season. |
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