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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 7, 2018 8:21:48 GMT -6
I’d offer the QO to Morton in hopes he would stay. I’d offer it to Keuchel in hopes he would go. I’m 50/50 on what I’d want Gattis to do with his. I don’t think I’d offer Marwin that much money. Let Mariwn go.......I'd say what Keuchel is offerred is yet to be determined........I would definitely try to keep Morton and Gattis. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 7, 2018 8:24:43 GMT -6
I’d offer the QO to Morton in hopes he would stay. I’d offer it to Keuchel in hopes he would go. I’m 50/50 on what I’d want Gattis to do with his. I don’t think I’d offer Marwin that much money. Let Mariwn go.......I'd say what Keuchel is offerred is yet to be determined........I would definitely try to keep Morton and Gattis. The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 8:28:48 GMT -6
Let Mariwn go.......I'd say what Keuchel is offerred is yet to be determined........I would definitely try to keep Morton and Gattis. The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. Think about it. I'd say the odds of having an OF'er or IF'er go down with a month plus injury in any given season is probably 60-75% Having a versatile elite bench player is worth a lot more than people realize. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 7, 2018 8:37:16 GMT -6
The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. Think about it. I'd say the odds of having an OF'er or IF'er go down with a month plus injury in any given season is probably 60-75% Having a versatile elite bench player is worth a lot more than people realize. Therein lies his value. People like González and Zobrist are diamonds in the rough. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 7, 2018 8:46:20 GMT -6
I'd give everyone a QO. Gattis, Morton, Keuchel & Marwin The QO should be around $18 million this offseason. If they continue to pitch well through the end of the season, I think Luhnow will make the QO to Morton and Keuchel. Morton had indicated previously that he would likely retire after his current contract is up at the end of this season, but by his more recent comments seems to be considering playing another year or two beyond this season. If he decides not to retire, I think he will accept the QO. Keuchel will likely play several more before retiring so I think he will probably reject the QO and sign a multi-year contract with the highest bidder. I don't think Luhnow will make the QO to Gattis or Marwin. If he does, I have no doubt that Gattis would accept and Marwin probably would to. I could see Luhnow maybe re-signing one or both of them, to a 2-3 year deal with a AAV of much less than $18 million, if they were willing, but I just can’t see him paying either of those guys $18 million to play next season.
a smidge of loyalty are why I'd risk a QO on Marwin. Gattis is an easy call. Solid effort, his teammates love him, and he can fill in behind the dish in a pinch. It's also not a given
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Post by bannedfan on Jul 7, 2018 8:53:36 GMT -6
I agree that Morton needs to be brought back. Another 2 year deal would be great.
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 8:57:58 GMT -6
Gattis is tied for third in RBI’s with 61. Where would this team be without him? Yeah, they should sign him. Three years, $45 million. He’s 31. Three years sounds about right. The only problem with that is he'll probably get an offer we can't match and still keep Morton. I'm afraid it will come down to an either/or situation. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 7, 2018 9:31:54 GMT -6
Let Mariwn go.......I'd say what Keuchel is offerred is yet to be determined........I would definitely try to keep Morton and Gattis. The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. What, exactly, is elite about him? He can’t hit. He can’t run. He doesn’t hustle. He’s a mediocre fielder most of the time, Really, all he offers is versatility of positions he can stand in. |
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Post by bannedfan on Jul 7, 2018 9:37:25 GMT -6
The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. What, exactly, is elite about him? He can’t hit. He can’t run. He doesn’t hustle. He’s a mediocre fielder most of the time, Really, all he offers is versatility of positions he can stand in. With Tucker up playing the outfield...plus Kemp, Springer and Reddick, Marwin will be on the bench a lot when Correa comes back. Yeah he can play multiple positions but I can’t see Houston resigning him assuming we have the same 4 outfielders next season. |
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Post by bannedfan on Jul 7, 2018 9:38:41 GMT -6
Tucker is 6’4” and 190. Tall and slender.
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 9:40:51 GMT -6
The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. What, exactly, is elite about him? He can’t hit. He can’t run. He doesn’t hustle. He’s a mediocre fielder most of the time, Really, all he offers is versatility of positions he can stand in. As a Super Sub, he is above average at many positions defensively and not too far below average offensively. He is doing more than simply filling up space. He is doing it well, though not elite. With the number of injuries a team experiences over the course of a season, this is valuable.
Jake was a superior OFer defensively, but wasn't good enough offensively to stay up. I hope he gets the opportunity to fix his offensive problems in AAA. But I think pegging him to go down is an indication that Tucker will be given frequent opportunities to start which reduces the need for Marisnick's utility.
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Post by bannedfan on Jul 7, 2018 9:47:12 GMT -6
Scott Boras is Marwin’s agent. No, he won’t be back. Ludnow can sign somebody else and save money.
He’s also Keuchel’s agent. You can see the writing on the wall with these 2 players.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 7, 2018 9:56:00 GMT -6
What, exactly, is elite about him? He can’t hit. He can’t run. He doesn’t hustle. He’s a mediocre fielder most of the time, Really, all he offers is versatility of positions he can stand in. As a Super Sub, he is above average at many positions defensively and not too far below average offensively. He is doing more than simply filling up space. He is doing it well, though not elite. With the number of injuries a team experiences over the course of a season, this is valuable.
Jake was a superior OFer defensively, but wasn't good enough offensively to stay up. I hope he gets the opportunity to fix his offensive problems in AAA. But I think pegging him to go down is an indication that Tucker will be given frequent opportunities to start which reduces the need for Marisnick's utility.
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 10:08:52 GMT -6
As a Super Sub, he is above average at many positions defensively and not too far below average offensively. He is doing more than simply filling up space. He is doing it well, though not elite. With the number of injuries a team experiences over the course of a season, this is valuable.
Jake was a superior OFer defensively, but wasn't good enough offensively to stay up. I hope he gets the opportunity to fix his offensive problems in AAA. But I think pegging him to go down is an indication that Tucker will be given frequent opportunities to start which reduces the need for Marisnick's utility.
That’s all great and all, but I was asking why he is being called elite. You nailed it in your question. He is elite in being able to to well at so many positions, even though not elite at any of them. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 7, 2018 10:16:25 GMT -6
That’s all great and all, but I was asking why he is being called elite. You nailed it in your question. He is elite in being able to to well at so many positions, even though not elite at any of them. That’s not elite...that’s versatile. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 7, 2018 10:25:36 GMT -6
Marwin has value for his versatility and durability, but you don't pay a lot of money for that. He might be hard to replace but we can cover things without him.
Gattis is tough. I love Gattis. But I'm not sure we can afford to pay him and try to keep some of the other guys, and it's possible to refill the DH spot more cost effectively.
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Post by Saint on Jul 7, 2018 10:29:49 GMT -6
Eat it, Koolade. Gattis HR. LOL Give me at least partial credit ! |
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Post by m240 on Jul 7, 2018 10:38:26 GMT -6
I'd give everyone a QO. Gattis, Morton, Keuchel & Marwin The QO should be around $18 million this offseason. If they continue to pitch well through the end of the season, I think Luhnow will make the QO to Morton and Keuchel. Morton had indicated previously that he would likely retire after his current contract is up at the end of this season, but by his more recent comments seems to be considering playing another year or two beyond this season. If he decides not to retire, I think he will accept the QO. Keuchel will likely play several more before retiring so I think he will probably reject the QO and sign a multi-year contract with the highest bidder. I don't think Luhnow will make the QO to Gattis or Marwin. If he does, I have no doubt that Gattis would accept and Marwin probably would to. I could see Luhnow maybe re-signing one or both of them, to a 2-3 year deal with a AAV of much less than $18 million, if they were willing, but I just can’t see him paying either of those guys $18 million to play next season. A QO to Gattis or Gonzales is a bad idea. A QO to both Keuchel and Morton are both good ideas so long as neither is injured or pitches for long periods like they are. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 7, 2018 10:45:46 GMT -6
The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. What, exactly, is elite about him? He can’t hit. He can’t run. He doesn’t hustle. He’s a mediocre fielder most of the time, Really, all he offers is versatility of positions he can stand in. Bingo, the versatility. That’s why I wouldn’t throw a QO at him. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 7, 2018 11:18:11 GMT -6
Marwin has value for his versatility and durability, but you don't pay a lot of money for that. He might be hard to replace but we can cover things without him. Gattis is tough. I love Gattis. But I'm not sure we can afford to pay him and try to keep some of the other guys, and it's possible to refill the DH spot more cost effectively. I am in complete agreement with you. Honestly, I think Yuli will be used as the DH next season. He is due to make $10 million next season and $8 million in 2020. Luhnow may try to re-sign Gattis to a 2-3 year contract at $8-$10 million AAV, but I just can’t believe he would offer Gattis the QO and take the chance of paying $18 million for a DH next season when he already has a guy in-house who would make an excellent DH for the next 2 years for the same $18 million. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 7, 2018 11:23:44 GMT -6
Let Mariwn go.......I'd say what Keuchel is offerred is yet to be determined........I would definitely try to keep Morton and Gattis. The thing with Marwin is he’s an elite bench player, if there is such a thing. You’d want to keep him but likely not for what he’ll either want to be paid or for how much others would pay for his services. The season he's having is probably costing Marwin a pile of money and saving the Astros a bundle if they want to keep him. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 7, 2018 11:27:22 GMT -6
Marwin has value for his versatility and durability, but you don't pay a lot of money for that. He might be hard to replace but we can cover things without him. Gattis is tough. I love Gattis. But I'm not sure we can afford to pay him and try to keep some of the other guys, and it's possible to refill the DH spot more cost effectively. I am in complete agreement with you. Honestly, I think Yuli will be used as the DH next season. He is due to make $10 million next season and $8 million in 2020. Luhnow may try to re-sign Gattis to a 2-3 year contract at $8-$10 million AAV, but I just can’t believe he would offer Gattis the QO and take the chance of paying $18 million for a DH next season when he already has a guy in-house who would make an excellent DH for the next 2 years for the same $18 million. Yup. If Gattis signs a team friendly deal for something like that, great. Otherwise you don't pay $18 mil a year for a DH unless it's Edgar or JD Martinez. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 7, 2018 11:30:35 GMT -6
As a Super Sub, he is above average at many positions defensively and not too far below average offensively. He is doing more than simply filling up space. He is doing it well, though not elite. With the number of injuries a team experiences over the course of a season, this is valuable.
Jake was a superior OFer defensively, but wasn't good enough offensively to stay up. I hope he gets the opportunity to fix his offensive problems in AAA. But I think pegging him to go down is an indication that Tucker will be given frequent opportunities to start which reduces the need for Marisnick's utility.
That’s all great and all, but I was asking why he is being called elite. I have the same question. I think the proper word to describe Marwin is "versatile" in terms of positions he can play. He is adequate at many......elite at none. this season he is not coming close to producing at the level he did last year. Instead, h e has resorted to being what he was before he had his career year in 2017. This season he has made a habit of swing at pitches outside the zone, taking obvious strikes and then pissing off the umpire by staring at him or mouthing off..sometimes being ejected. He has dragged his lazy ass down to first base on ground balls to the infield. Could be he is pouting because he wasn't offered a big contract extension in the off-season. It won't bother me to see him gone and if Keuchel demands what Boras will want, he should be allowed to walk, too. |
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 11:38:12 GMT -6
You nailed it in your question. He is elite in being able to to well at so many positions, even though not elite at any of them. That’s not elite...that’s versatile. Would you believe... Elite versatility?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 7, 2018 11:38:46 GMT -6
No.
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 11:39:14 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 7, 2018 11:50:36 GMT -6
Nothing elite about a guy who drags his ass when he thinks he is out. NO excuse for not hustling.........EVER.
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Post by marshall on Jul 7, 2018 12:01:28 GMT -6
Nothing elite about a guy who drags his ass when he thinks he is out. NO excuse for not hustling.........EVER. I agree. But he has been productive, even if he could have been even better by hustling. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 7, 2018 12:26:29 GMT -6
Give me at least partial credit ! I did hence the LOL. I figured you would bring that back up. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 7, 2018 12:31:25 GMT -6
Give me at least partial credit ! I did hence the LOL. I figured you would bring that back up. I predict Tucker gets one hit today, and Stassi goes yard. |
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