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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 1, 2018 16:10:12 GMT -6
Says thar he won't be the closer I take that as a “for now” situation. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 1, 2018 16:20:29 GMT -6
For now until some time next season I'm betting
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 1, 2018 17:37:00 GMT -6
Says thar he won't be the closer I take that as a “for now” situation. I can see not installing him as closer right now. He can spell Rondon or replace him as closer if necessary. Rondon has done a good job and should remain the closer for now. Osuna hasn't been in a major league game since May and should not be counted on to close. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 1, 2018 17:38:34 GMT -6
I take that as a “for now” situation. I can see not installing him as closer right now. He can spell Rondon or replace him as closer if necessary. Rondon has done a good job and should remain the closer for now. Agreed. Rondon has earned the job. I am not a fan of the term "closer". But if we have to have one it should be Rondon. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Aug 1, 2018 17:43:11 GMT -6
Osuna is going to be under enough pressure as it is, with his court dates, the media microscope, a few disgruntled teammates, etc.
The last thing Hinch should do is add to the pressure by anointing him the Closer right from the get-go. Much better to let him settle into his new job, try to build a good relationship with his coaches and teammates, and in time it may be possible to give him the tougher on-field assignments.
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 1, 2018 17:48:11 GMT -6
Osuna is going to be under enough pressure as it is, with his court dates, the media microscope, a few disgruntled teammates, etc. The last thing Hinch should do is add to the pressure by anointing him the Closer right from the get-go. Much better to let him settle into his new job, try to build a good relationship with his coaches and teammates, and in time it may be possible to give him the tougher on-field assignments. There is no doubt Osuna is talented. He is a stud. But man, don't put your hands on a woman regardless of the situation. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Aug 1, 2018 18:25:46 GMT -6
according to Rotoworld, Osuna's next court date is Sept. 5
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 1, 2018 20:42:31 GMT -6
according to Rotoworld, Osuna's next court date is Sept. 5 Oh gosh, is this going to be a constant thing now? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Aug 1, 2018 20:54:17 GMT -6
probably, until there is a verdict or an out of court settlement, or the charges are dropped.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 1, 2018 21:57:18 GMT -6
probably, until there is a verdict or an out of court settlement, or the charges are dropped. Don't be surprised if the charges are suddenly dropped.............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Aug 2, 2018 8:57:14 GMT -6
Osuna's lawyer says he plans to plead not guilty:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 11:50:47 GMT -6
I can see not installing him as closer right now. He can spell Rondon or replace him as closer if necessary. Rondon has done a good job and should remain the closer for now. I am not a fan of the term "closer". Same here. One of our last club house dustups (Giles vs. Griegerson) was over that 5 letter word. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 12:17:35 GMT -6
I'm not going to disagree on calling somebody a "closer", but I do believe there is a merit in having a set rotation for most normal situations. If you have dependable 7-8-9 guys, and then an assortment of specialty situation guys, you're in good shape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 12:50:27 GMT -6
Geez.... How better than to throw a gas can into a dumpster fire than make comments like that in an interview. I'm liking this guy less by the minute.
IMO Wife Beaters, Child Molesters, and ultra left wing activist all have a reserved warm place in the anti- Vahalla.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 12:53:09 GMT -6
Anyone want to get a pool or pot together to hire someone like Rhonda Rousey to beat the shit out of him? Maybe he'll show some remorse then.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 14:46:34 GMT -6
I am not a fan of the term "closer". Same here. One of our last club house dustups (Giles vs. Griegerson) was over that 5 letter word. Count me as one who is not a fan of the term "closer". I am a fan of going with the pitcher who is hot and not chancing that a "closer' will come in and automatically close out the game. All too often, we see a pitcher have a perfect 8th with a minimum number of pitches thtown and be replaced by the "closer" who comes in and blows the game. I also don't agree with the thought of only allowing a reliever to pitch one inning. I also believe if there is a critical situation in the 6th or 7th inning and your "closer" has the best chance of getting you out of trouble, you go to him at that time and not wait to bring him in to close the game in the 9th. If he isn't used at the critical time earlier, he may not e needed to close because you have gotten behind because he wasn't used when he was needed. If Rondon is needed to get us out of the 7th, use him. If McHugh is the best option, use him. If you need strikeouts, bring in the guy with the best chance of getting them. We should have seen that Harris is not the guy to bring in with runners on base and Devenski hasn't been much better of late. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -6
Anyone want to get a pool or pot together to hire someone like Rhonda Rousey to beat the shit out of him? Maybe he'll show some remorse then. I wish we had put Rousey on Giles. I am anxious to see the results of Osuna's hearing. Since his attorney is pleading him not guilty, that probably means Luhnow has reason to believe he will be cleared of the charges. What bothers me is tht Osuna didn't appeal his suspension. If he is innocent, he should have appealed. I trust Luhnow to know what he is doing in this situation. If Luhnow is right. this guy can fortify our pen for the stretch run and the playoffs. I also won't be surprised if Osuna gets to have a heart to heart with Verlander.  |
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 14:53:56 GMT -6
Anyone want to get a pool or pot together to hire someone like Rhonda Rousey to beat the shit out of him? Maybe he'll show some remorse then. I wish we had put Rousey on Giles. I am anxious to see the results of Osuna's hearing. Since his attorney is pleading him not guilty, that probably means Luhnow has reason to believe he will be cleared of the charges. What bothers me is tht Osuna didn't appeal his suspension. If he is innocent, he should have appealed. I trust Luhnow to know what he is doing in this situation. If Luhnow is right. this guy can fortify our pen for the stretch run and the playoffs. I also won't be surprised if Osuna gets to have a heart to heart with Verlander. So you trust that Luhnow did the right thing getting Osuna? But you don't trust that he did what he could to get what we needed offensively based on what was available and what we were willing to give up? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 15:03:43 GMT -6
I wish we had put Rousey on Giles. I am anxious to see the results of Osuna's hearing. Since his attorney is pleading him not guilty, that probably means Luhnow has reason to believe he will be cleared of the charges. What bothers me is tht Osuna didn't appeal his suspension. If he is innocent, he should have appealed. I trust Luhnow to know what he is doing in this situation. If Luhnow is right. this guy can fortify our pen for the stretch run and the playoffs. I also won't be surprised if Osuna gets to have a heart to heart with Verlander. So you trust that Luhnow did the right thing getting Osuna? But you don't trust that he did what he could to get what we needed offensively based on what was available and what we were willing to give up? I DO trust that you like to stalk me all over the board to try to start an argument. I have no idea as to who we could have gotten, but, I had to think someone was available. Maybe the other organization wanted more than the player was worth., I think some of us over-reacted when no trade for a bat was made and that partially due to the team not hitting at the time and in a losing streak. I am guilty of that. You need to stick to your stats and stop involving yourself in topics that require you to actually base an opinion on your experience and what you see. Unless your stat sheet says it, you don't believe it exists. I don't know any more about who was available than anyone else. I am sure you had the OBP, OPS, WAR, etc. of every player that may have been available and was ready to argue at the drop of a hat. You would be well advised to try to know something besides what is on a stat sheet if you want to be taken seriously..Now, I await on your next attempt at a new argument. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 15:09:28 GMT -6
So you trust that Luhnow did the right thing getting Osuna? But you don't trust that he did what he could to get what we needed offensively based on what was available and what we were willing to give up? I DO trust that you like to stalk me all over the board to try to start an argument. I have no idea as to who we could have gotten, but, I had to think someone was available. Maybe the other organization wanted more than the player was worth., I think some of us over-reacted when no trade for a bat was made and that partially due to the team not hitting at the time and in a losing streak. I am guilty of that. You need to stick to your stats and stop involving yourself in topics that require you to actually base an opinion on your experience and what you see. Unless your stat sheet says it, you don't believe it exists. I don't know any more about who was available than anyone else. I am sure you had the OBP, OPS, WAR, etc. of every player that may have been available and was ready to argue at the drop of a hat. You would be well advised to try to know something besides what is on a stat sheet if you want to be taken seriously..Now, I await on your next attempt at a new argument. Dude, I just asked you a question based on your changing comments regarding Luhnow.... If you don't want to discuss any other topics just because we disagree on some offense issues (that you said you moved on from), I won't bother. I didn't realize you'd be so sensitive. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 2, 2018 15:20:22 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -6
I wish we had put Rousey on Giles. I am anxious to see the results of Osuna's hearing. Since his attorney is pleading him not guilty, that probably means Luhnow has reason to believe he will be cleared of the charges. What bothers me is tht Osuna didn't appeal his suspension. If he is innocent, he should have appealed. I trust Luhnow to know what he is doing in this situation. If Luhnow is right. this guy can fortify our pen for the stretch run and the playoffs. I also won't be surprised if Osuna gets to have a heart to heart with Verlander. So you trust that Luhnow did the right thing getting Osuna? But you don't trust that he did what he could to get what we needed offensively based on what was available and what we were willing to give up? I've been one of Luhnow's biggest fans here, but this Osuna trade just has me scratching my head. Seeing his attorney's presser just exaberated the situation, where instead of resolving this, he feels he can prolong it, and bring his circus to Houston. So, I am guessing that the team (like we are) are wondering and talking about Osuna, versus how we are going to finish strongly going into October. I might end up being wrong, but my gut feeling tells me this is the worst move Luhnow has made yet. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 2, 2018 15:36:09 GMT -6
It is a little surreal that the general narrative on Luhnow's worst trades were Gomez was a headcase, Fiers was a headcase, Giles was a headcase, but Osuna let's wait and see
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 15:37:20 GMT -6
I DO trust that you like to stalk me all over the board to try to start an argument. I have no idea as to who we could have gotten, but, I had to think someone was available. Maybe the other organization wanted more than the player was worth., I think some of us over-reacted when no trade for a bat was made and that partially due to the team not hitting at the time and in a losing streak. I am guilty of that. You need to stick to your stats and stop involving yourself in topics that require you to actually base an opinion on your experience and what you see. Unless your stat sheet says it, you don't believe it exists. I don't know any more about who was available than anyone else. I am sure you had the OBP, OPS, WAR, etc. of every player that may have been available and was ready to argue at the drop of a hat. You would be well advised to try to know something besides what is on a stat sheet if you want to be taken seriously..Now, I await on your next attempt at a new argument. Dude, I just asked you a question based on your changing comments regarding Luhnow.... If you don't want to discuss any other topics just because we disagree on some offense issues (that you said you moved on from), I won't bother. I didn't realize you'd be so sensitive. Let me assure you that I am not at all sensitive. You claim I change my comments on Luhnow while you deny claiming White is more productive than Yuli. I gave you my opinion.....if you don't like it, I don't give a damn. Is that clear enough for you? If you think Luhnow looking into the entire Osuna situation before making the trade is comparing to not trading for a bat, you don't have a clue. Your need to think you are right is bordering on you being psychotic. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 15:42:03 GMT -6
It is a little surreal that the general narrative on Luhnow's worst trades were Gomez was a headcase, Fiers was a headcase, Giles was a headcase, but Osuna let's wait and see When a guy with that talent is as cheap to obtain as Osuna, I see no problem in giving it a try, especially when you dump Giles in the process. Neither Gomez, Fiers, nor Giles had the talent to shut down a lineup like Osuna can. He has that going for him. If he does as he is capable and behaves himself, everyone will stop complaining. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 15:44:15 GMT -6
It is a little surreal that the general narrative on Luhnow's worst trades were Gomez was a headcase, Fiers was a headcase, Giles was a headcase, but Osuna let's wait and see I think even Eddie could figure out that trend...... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 15:45:22 GMT -6
It is a little surreal that the general narrative on Luhnow's worst trades were Gomez was a headcase, Fiers was a headcase, Giles was a headcase, but Osuna let's wait and see When a guy with that talent is as cheap to obtain as Osuna, I see no problem in giving it a try, especially when you dump Giles in the process. Neither Gomez, Fiers, nor Giles had the talent to shut down a lineup like Osuna can. He has that going for him. If he does as he is capable and behaves himself, everyone will stop complaining. Coach, Giles showed flashes of major stoppage at times. Got to disagree a tad there. 34 saves one year, and an era of 1.80 one year, and 2.30 another. Hmmmmmm |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 2, 2018 15:45:40 GMT -6
It is a little surreal that the general narrative on Luhnow's worst trades were Gomez was a headcase, Fiers was a headcase, Giles was a headcase, but Osuna let's wait and see When a guy with that talent is as cheap to obtain as Osuna, I see no problem in giving it a try, especially when you dump Giles in the process. Neither Gomez, Fiers, nor Giles had the talent to shut down a lineup like Osuna can. He has that going for him. If he does as he is capable and behaves himself, everyone will stop complaining.
It's like earlier when you said you're not a stat nerd .. but wRC+ is the greatest stat ever
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 15:53:33 GMT -6
Dude, I just asked you a question based on your changing comments regarding Luhnow.... If you don't want to discuss any other topics just because we disagree on some offense issues (that you said you moved on from), I won't bother. I didn't realize you'd be so sensitive. Let me assure you that I am not at all sensitive. You claim I change my comments on Luhnow while you deny claiming White is more productive than Yuli. I gave you my opinion.....if you don't like it, I don't give a damn. Is that clear enough for you? If you think Luhnow looking into the entire Osuna situation before making the trade is comparing to not trading for a bat, you don't have a clue. Your need to think you are right is bordering on you being psychotic. Okay. I thought you were one of the thick skinned guys on here I could debate with. Apparently you or not. Have fun, Coach. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 15:56:02 GMT -6
So you trust that Luhnow did the right thing getting Osuna? But you don't trust that he did what he could to get what we needed offensively based on what was available and what we were willing to give up? I've been one of Luhnow's biggest fans here, but this Osuna trade just has me scratching my head. Seeing his attorney's presser just exaberated the situation, where instead of resolving this, he feels he can prolong it, and bring his circus to Houston. So, I am guessing that the team (like we are) are wondering and talking about Osuna, versus how we are going to finish strongly going into October. I might end up being wrong, but my gut feeling tells me this is the worst move Luhnow has made yet. I think Luhnow is trying to find a gem in a pile of shit and hoping people will move on. |
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