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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2018 15:10:44 GMT -6
Not a joke. Reported by Ken Rosenthal.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2018 15:21:00 GMT -6
Giles headed to Toronto plus other(s).
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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2018 15:26:23 GMT -6
Doug suggested that swap first.
Well....Can't say we're afraid to be the bad guys anymore.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2018 15:26:45 GMT -6
Well....Can't say we're afraid to be the bad guys anymore. LOL understatement of the year. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 30, 2018 15:39:08 GMT -6
Well....Can't say we're afraid to be the bad guys anymore. LOL understatement of the year. One DB for another....lets just tell ourselves if someone would actually marry Giles, there could be cause for speculation, with his temper, he could have beaten her...so we traded away a possible future wife beater for one that is an alleged wife beater.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 15:40:30 GMT -6
LOL understatement of the year. One DB for another....lets just tell ourselves if someone would actually marry Giles, there could be cause for speculation, with his temper, he could have beaten her...so we traded away a possible future wife beater for one that is an alleged wife beater.... I'll take it |
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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2018 15:42:21 GMT -6
As always with stuff like this we need more information, but damn I hope he's innocent. I'm pretty torn about this.
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 30, 2018 15:44:08 GMT -6
As always with stuff like this we need more information, but damn I hope he's innocent. I'm pretty torn about this. So am I. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 15:44:25 GMT -6
How did this deal slip past old Nate and his sources???  I am all for this deal.....Osuna may be an asshole, but, we KNOW Giles is a nut case. If Osuna realizes his mistake, this could be a steal for Luhnow, A change of scenery could work to ur advantgae,. In any case, we got rid of Giles and that is good enough for me. For his career, he has a WHIP of 0.919. has pitched 223 innings and struck out 253. ERA 2.87 and 104 saves. He is also only 24 years old and is under club control until 2020.Well worth the risk and his contract is around $5.3 million. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 15:47:01 GMT -6
As always with stuff like this we need more information, but damn I hope he's innocent. I'm pretty torn about this. I understand what you are saying but we put too much stock in athletes and celebrities being a role model. Everyone is human and despite the fact that some may do things that are outside of our comfort zone that doesn't mean they are those kind of people in everyday life.
Rooting for a guy is not the same as being okay with their actions. You can root for the guy to save a game but also root for the guy to make himself a better overall person. And frankly a change of scenery to the Astros could very well help in that.
Not everyone deserves a second clance on their actions, but to demonize someone for an offense that nobody has the answer to yet is not the answer either. To me, the past is the past and if he can prove himself to be a worthy teammate and person in Houston then that is what matters.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 15:54:45 GMT -6
I am convinced Luhnow had "sources" to give him the probability of Osuna being cleared of these charges before he made the deal. In any case, all he gave up was Giles who we needed out of the organization.
Now, let's keep our fingers crossed that he gets a bat.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 16:03:37 GMT -6
I didn't know we got rid of our druggie, DAvid Paulino, in the deal and sent Hector Perez, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 16:05:36 GMT -6
I didn't know we got rid of our druggie, DAvid Paulino, in the deal and sent Hector Perez, too. HAHAHA, this deal was all about exporting bad behavior |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2018 16:06:55 GMT -6
I didn't know we got rid of our druggie, DAvid Paulino, in the deal and sent Hector Perez, too. I don’t know much about Pérez, but Paulino didn’t impress me much. The suspension got me to stop caring about him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 16:11:38 GMT -6
By the way, when I read the title I thought Houston got Osuna from the Cardinals, which made me confuse Giles for Gattis.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 16:24:17 GMT -6
If he is cleared at his hearing, the Astros have said he would join them in LA on Sunday which is the earliest he can pitch. I am keeping my fingers crossed that he take Will Harris' spot in the pen.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 16:28:14 GMT -6
mariners get Adam Warren from the Yankees
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 30, 2018 16:39:01 GMT -6
I am excited Giles is gone. Really didn't care who or what we got back in return...
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 30, 2018 16:41:56 GMT -6
I am excited Giles is gone. Really didn't care who or what we got back in return... My sentiments exactly. If Osuna pans out, we have another closer. |
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Post by dcs on Jul 30, 2018 17:00:21 GMT -6
Good riddance Giles!
He only had a one year deal anyway and was never going to be resigned. He needs to get his head screwed on straight.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 30, 2018 17:25:27 GMT -6
I like how Luhnow is salvaging the Giles trade by involving him in another. The man is a second-level thinker.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 30, 2018 18:17:11 GMT -6
As always with stuff like this we need more information, but damn I hope he's innocent. I'm pretty torn about this. I understand what you are saying but we put too much stock in athletes and celebrities being a role model. Everyone is human and despite the fact that some may do things that are outside of our comfort zone that doesn't mean they are those kinds of people in everyday life.
Rooting for a guy is not the same as being okay with their actions. You can root for the guy to save a game but also root for the guy to make himself a better overall person. And frankly, a change of scenery to the Astros could very well help in that.
Not everyone deserves a second chance on their actions, but to demonize someone for an offense that nobody has the answer to yet is not the answer either. To me, the past is the past and if he can prove himself to be a worthy teammate and person in Houston then that is what matters.
I just want to say everyone in Here was Praising Gattis, McCann not sure which one didn't pay much attention to it. For being a reformed Drug Addict. Being around that world you have no idea what they may have done under the influence. How they got the drugs etc. Now I am not saying someone Hitting a Wife or Woman doesn't look good and reading where he comes from it really is their culture. Needs better role models in his life. I can tell you most Drug Addicts did a lot of really bad stuff that never comes out because the crowd your running with is just as bad including the women. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2018 19:57:53 GMT -6
As always with stuff like this we need more information, but damn I hope he's innocent. I'm pretty torn about this. I understand what you are saying but we put too much stock in athletes and celebrities being a role model. Everyone is human and despite the fact that some may do things that are outside of our comfort zone that doesn't mean they are those kind of people in everyday life.
Rooting for a guy is not the same as being okay with their actions. You can root for the guy to save a game but also root for the guy to make himself a better overall person. And frankly a change of scenery to the Astros could very well help in that.
Not everyone deserves a second clance on their actions, but to demonize someone for an offense that nobody has the answer to yet is not the answer either. To me, the past is the past and if he can prove himself to be a worthy teammate and person in Houston then that is what matters.
It's not about role models. It's about seeing violence like this a lot and being hard to root for a guy that contributes to the problem. I'm all for people doing their time and getting a second chance, but he hasn't done any time yet... (If he is guilty.) |
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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2018 19:59:22 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying but we put too much stock in athletes and celebrities being a role model. Everyone is human and despite the fact that some may do things that are outside of our comfort zone that doesn't mean they are those kinds of people in everyday life.
Rooting for a guy is not the same as being okay with their actions. You can root for the guy to save a game but also root for the guy to make himself a better overall person. And frankly, a change of scenery to the Astros could very well help in that.
Not everyone deserves a second chance on their actions, but to demonize someone for an offense that nobody has the answer to yet is not the answer either. To me, the past is the past and if he can prove himself to be a worthy teammate and person in Houston then that is what matters.
I just want to say everyone in Here was Praising Gattis, McCann not sure which one didn't pay much attention to it. For being a reformed Drug Addict. Being around that world you have no idea what they may have done under the influence. How they got the drugs etc. Now I am not saying someone Hitting a Wife or Woman doesn't look good and reading where he comes from it really is their culture. Needs better role models in his life. I can tell you most Drug Addicts did a lot of really bad stuff that never comes out because the crowd your running with is just as bad including the women. I'll take a recovered drug addict who doesn't tell his sob story all over the place, for a domestic abuser any day. (Alleged) |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 30, 2018 20:23:33 GMT -6
Saint sometimes you say things that surprise me. Aren't you an Officer. I'm sure you have seen enough of the dirty underworld to know that Drugs, Alcohol, are part of the Abuse cycle. I would bet that the domestic abuser (Alleged) saw that his whole childhood. Drinking and beating of his mother and probably him and his sisters etc. Abusers, for the most part, come from that life. Drugs, Alcohol, and Abuse all in the same. The drugs and Alcohol only lead to the abuse. Never heard of an abuser that didn't come from that lifestyle.
I would bet money that Alcohol played a roll in this alleged situation on both parties.
That doesn't make it right and certainly doesn't excuse what he Allegedly did. Like I said he probably needs counseling and better Role Models to help him understand. I've known people stuck in that cycle and no matter what you try and tell the Woman she blames herself. Most likely she came from that same type of household.
A quick story a Guy I rode with and work with had issues. I kept my nose out of it. One night they got into a fight and the woman ended up stabbing him and narrowly missed his heart. OF course, both were high on Drugs and Alcohol. They ended up calling a couple of us to come over and drag him to the RR tracks to say he was jumped. The police knew but the Woman wouldn't budge. He was lucky he didn't die. She eventually left him and ran to Florida with another Jerk. It's sad to see people stuck in that cycle and can't seem to find a way out. He has since died of Lymph Cancer, She left the guy she ran away with and I lost contact. My son and her daughter were friends.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 30, 2018 20:28:01 GMT -6
great so we have a reliever with an alcohol problem. At least we got rid of the PED user
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 30, 2018 20:35:51 GMT -6
Saint One other thing there is NO SOB story when it comes to being an Addict or Alcoholic. No one forced the Drink or Drugs into your Mouth, Nose, Veins. It is a conscious effort to get high.
And anybody that tries and tells you an SOB story isn't being real with themselves. Doesn't matter what the other people around them say or do. Only you can make the decision to Stop or keep going till you die. All the promises in the world don't mean squat.
Getting High is nothing more than an excuse to not Face Life and deal with stuff everybody deals with every day.
I may be cold about this.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 30, 2018 20:39:13 GMT -6
great so we have a reliever with an alcohol problem. At least we got rid of the PED user I didn't say he had one just my take is that Alcohol is usually involved in most of the time in an Abuse situation. Maybe that is part of his Counseling. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 30, 2018 20:45:36 GMT -6
Saint One other thing there is NO SOB story when it comes to being an Addict or Alcoholic. No one forced the Drink or Drugs into your Mouth, Nose, Veins. It is a conscious effort to get high. And anybody that tries and tells you an SOB story isn't being real with themselves. Doesn't matter what the other people around them say or do. Only you can make the decision to Stop or keep going till you die. All the promises in the world don't mean squat. Getting High is nothing more than an excuse to not Face Life and deal with stuff everybody deals with every day. I may be cold about this. I wasn't meaning to down play addicts. I have no sympathy for them. But violence against the innocent is a bigger issue to me. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 30, 2018 21:05:14 GMT -6
Saint One other thing there is NO SOB story when it comes to being an Addict or Alcoholic. No one forced the Drink or Drugs into your Mouth, Nose, Veins. It is a conscious effort to get high. And anybody that tries and tells you an SOB story isn't being real with themselves. Doesn't matter what the other people around them say or do. Only you can make the decision to Stop or keep going till you die. All the promises in the world don't mean squat. Getting High is nothing more than an excuse to not Face Life and deal with stuff everybody deals with every day. I may be cold about this. I wasn't meaning to down play addicts. I have no sympathy for them. But violence against the innocent is a bigger issue to me. Because he is a Man and she is a Woman immediately She is an Innocent. Remember there are always two sides to a Story. Just because she might have done something didn't give him the right to do what they say. But today all A Woman has to say he abused me and the Man is instantly Guilty. No Trial, No Jury, No Proof GUILTY Here everyone is Quick to jump that Band Wagon. If he did what they say he needs to pay penalty and it depends what it is what he should have to give Penance too. |
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