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Post by bearbryant on Aug 2, 2018 19:23:54 GMT -6
Well .. it's hard to agree with you when you're constantly contradicting yourself So, if I disagree with your buddy or do a little reseach and alter my position,, that means I am contradicting myself. ......hmmm. So, you think that White has been more productive than Yuli? Your privilege.........and i have never cared who agrees with me. I can think for myself instead of burying my head in a stat sheet or blindlly following someone who does.
Maybe it's best if you lower the extreme rhetoric altogether when it comes to guys who were in the minors last year. I get you're joking when you say you wish players
weren't in the organization anymore, but why is the humor always so dark. It's like you wrote the screenplay for Heathers
And I don't understand why you're picking on Saint other than paastro not being here to toss you a tennis ball. I'll leave that aside though |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 2, 2018 19:46:50 GMT -6
Man, Heathers was a great movie.
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Post by Saint on Aug 2, 2018 19:47:48 GMT -6
So, if I disagree with your buddy or do a little reseach and alter my position,, that means I am contradicting myself. ......hmmm. So, you think that White has been more productive than Yuli? Your privilege.........and i have never cared who agrees with me. I can think for myself instead of burying my head in a stat sheet or blindlly following someone who does.
Maybe it's best if you lower the extreme rhetoric altogether when it comes to guys who were in the minors last year. I get you're joking when you say you wish players
weren't in the organization anymore, but why is the humor always so dark. It's like you wrote the screenplay for Heathers
And I don't understand why you're picking on Saint other than paastro not being here to toss you a tennis ball. I'll leave that aside thoughIt's just the contradictory statements that get me. I've given up on that though. If it makes me a "nerd" to use use mostly numbers to try and keep from being biased or unfair in player analysis, then so be it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 2, 2018 19:50:43 GMT -6
Implication: if you don’t buy into SABR, you’re biased and unfair. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 2, 2018 20:11:48 GMT -6
Man, Heathers was a great movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 20:34:57 GMT -6
Actually he admitted to firing 8 shots according to this old news article. Link below. Come to your own conclusion. link I Did any of the 8 shots him anybody? If they had, I figured the charges would be substantially more than spousal abuse. In any case put yourself in that ladies shoes..... Enraged angry spouse shooting gun off 8 times. How would you like to go through that? |
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Post by talshill on Aug 2, 2018 20:38:51 GMT -6
In '73 Cesar Cedeno killed his girlfriend in a hotel by shooting her. Reportedly it was an accident, but I think they were the only two in the room. He played like 7-8 more seasons for the Astros. Chapman got into some circumstances with his live-in and has been cleared. He may have made the $ituation go away, but still he was cleared. I don't know what Osuna did, but the Astros (and Luhnow) did their due diligence and seem comfortable that the situation will resolve favorably for Osuna and the team. I'd wager he's right.
As an aside, I'm going to say something that may get me castigated, but I don't care. I am not one of the "never lay your hands on a woman" crowd. I grew up in an era where women were sacrosanct; men's speech became less rough and respect was shown when the ladies were around. I believe in treating them gently and I've never hit a woman. I've been married nearly 30 years and I still open the car door for my wife. I treat her like a lady because she is a lady. However, I've seen women say and do things that hardened men wouldn't and it still surprises me every time. I once witnessed a woman try to physically assault a man in a store parking lot. He kept his cool and tried repeatedly to disengage. He finally pulled out of the parking lot and was stopped at a red light. She followed, got out her car with a baseball bat and began beating the hell out of his car in the middle of the street. When he got out to stop her, she took a swing at him. He decked her. His crime? He parked too close to her car. Women can't have it both ways. You can't reap the benefits of being on a societal pedestal but then jump into the gutter with men when it suits only to retreat again when you find out you've bitten off more than you can chew. If she's bold enough to physically assault a man, she's big enough to face the consequences. I know the PC thing is to say "never lay your hands on a woman", but there are times when that's not really accurate.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 21:51:39 GMT -6
Did any of the 8 shots him anybody? If they had, I figured the charges would be substantially more than spousal abuse. In any case put yourself in that ladies shoes..... Enraged angry spouse shooting gun off 8 times. How would you like to go through that? We still don't know what this lady was doing when this happened...I would not like being shot at period. I doubt if we really know in whicb direction the gun was pointed when it was fired. I hope Luhnow has gotten good information before making the deal. I still can't believe he made the deal without knowing a lot that hasn't been made public. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 21:53:48 GMT -6
In '73 Cesar Cedeno killed his girlfriend in a hotel by shooting her. Reportedly it was an accident, but I think they were the only two in the room. He played like 7-8 more seasons for the Astros. Chapman got into some circumstances with his live-in and has been cleared. He may have made the $ituation go away, but still he was cleared. I don't know what Osuna did, but the Astros (and Luhnow) did their due diligence and seem comfortable that the situation will resolve favorably for Osuna and the team. I'd wager he's right. As an aside, I'm going to say something that may get me castigated, but I don't care. I am not one of the "never lay your hands on a woman" crowd. I grew up in an era where women were sacrosanct; men's speech became less rough and respect was shown when the ladies were around. I believe in treating them gently and I've never hit a woman. I've been married nearly 30 years and I still open the car door for my wife. I treat her like a lady because she is a lady. However, I've seen women say and do things that hardened men wouldn't and it still surprises me every time. I once witnessed a woman try to physically assault a man in a store parking lot. He kept his cool and tried repeatedly to disengage. He finally pulled out of the parking lot and was stopped at a red light. She followed, got out her car with a baseball bat and began beating the hell out of his car in the middle of the street. When he got out to stop her, she took a swing at him. He decked her. His crime? He parked too close to her car. Women can't have it both ways. You can't reap the benefits of being on a societal pedestal but then jump into the gutter with men when it suits only to retreat again when you find out you've bitten off more than you can chew. If she's bold enough to physically assault a man, she's big enough to face the consequences. I know the PC thing is to say "never lay your hands on a woman", but there are times when that's not really accurate. i had forgotten about Cedeno, but, that is exactly what happened. You may get castigated but there is one here who agrees with you. Sometimes this "never lay your hands on a woman" thing has to be put aside. There is such a thing as self defense. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 2, 2018 21:55:33 GMT -6
So, if I disagree with your buddy or do a little reseach and alter my position,, that means I am contradicting myself. ......hmmm. So, you think that White has been more productive than Yuli? Your privilege.........and i have never cared who agrees with me. I can think for myself instead of burying my head in a stat sheet or blindlly following someone who does.
Maybe it's best if you lower the extreme rhetoric altogether when it comes to guys who were in the minors last year. I get you're joking when you say you wish players
weren't in the organization anymore, but why is the humor always so dark. It's like you wrote the screenplay for Heathers
And I don't understand why you're picking on Saint other than paastro not being here to toss you a tennis ball. I'll leave that aside thoughI don't remember saying I didn't want White sent down. When Correa and Altuve are ready to come back, two guys have to go....most likely to go are White and Davis. i have it on good authority that paastro will return soon to tell us all about the future major leaguers he has been training in Florida.  |
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Post by Saint on Aug 3, 2018 4:40:33 GMT -6
Implication: if you don’t buy into SABR, you’re biased and unfair. [br Only if you want to be a snowflake and try to twist my comment. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 3, 2018 6:56:52 GMT -6
I just don't know who to discuss with .. Corch who wants White sent down, or Corch who doesn't want White sent down
Maybe it's best if you lower the extreme rhetoric altogether when it comes to guys who were in the minors last year. I get you're joking when you say you wish players
weren't in the organization anymore, but why is the humor always so dark. It's like you wrote the screenplay for Heathers
And I don't understand why you're picking on Saint other than paastro not being here to toss you a tennis ball. I'll leave that aside though I don't remember saying I didn't want White sent down. When Correa and Altuve are ready to come back, two guys have to go....most likely to go are White and Davis. i have it on good authority that paastro will return soon to tell us all about the future major leaguers he has been training in Florida. There are going to be some tough choices that have to be made shortly. When Osuna is ready, who do you send down, Harris, Devo, who, we have 13 pitchers now. So when we add Carlos and Jose back to the 25 man who do you cut, Davis and White or do you go with 12 pitchers. Some tough calls have to be made shortly. Maybe a couple of ten day deals for guys who are struggling. Going to be interesting. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 3, 2018 7:10:18 GMT -6
I don't remember saying I didn't want White sent down. When Correa and Altuve are ready to come back, two guys have to go....most likely to go are White and Davis. i have it on good authority that paastro will return soon to tell us all about the future major leaguers he has been training in Florida. There are going to be some tough choices that have to be made shortly. When Osuna is ready, who do you send down, Harris, Devo, who, we have 13 pitchers now. So when we add Carlos and Jose back to the 25 man who do you cut, Davis and White or do you go with 12 pitchers. Some tough calls have to be made shortly. Maybe a couple of ten day deals for guys who are struggling. Going to be interesting. Unfortunately, Devo has the most options and has looked the worst so it would probably be him. As for position players, if nobody is hurt, I think it would have to be Davis and White. Marwin isn't going anywhere and we don't have a LFer again so they would have to keep Kemp and Jake. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 3, 2018 9:22:24 GMT -6
I don't remember saying I didn't want White sent down. When Correa and Altuve are ready to come back, two guys have to go....most likely to go are White and Davis. i have it on good authority that paastro will return soon to tell us all about the future major leaguers he has been training in Florida. There are going to be some tough choices that have to be made shortly. When Osuna is ready, who do you send down, Harris, Devo, who, we have 13 pitchers now. So when we add Carlos and Jose back to the 25 man who do you cut, Davis and White or do you go with 12 pitchers. Some tough calls have to be made shortly. Maybe a couple of ten day deals for guys who are struggling. Going to be interesting. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 3, 2018 9:31:18 GMT -6
Man, Heathers was a great movie. I dont remember. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 3, 2018 9:33:32 GMT -6
I don't understand why you're picking on Saint other than paastro not being here to toss you a tennis ball. i have it on good authority that paastro will return soon to tell us all about the future major leaguers he has been training in Florida. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 3, 2018 9:35:22 GMT -6
In '73 Cesar Cedeno killed his girlfriend in a hotel by shooting her. Reportedly it was an accident, but I think they were the only two in the room. He played like 7-8 more seasons for the Astros. Chapman got into some circumstances with his live-in and has been cleared. He may have made the $ituation go away, but still he was cleared. I don't know what Osuna did, but the Astros (and Luhnow) did their due diligence and seem comfortable that the situation will resolve favorably for Osuna and the team. I'd wager he's right. As an aside, I'm going to say something that may get me castigated, but I don't care. I am not one of the "never lay your hands on a woman" crowd. I grew up in an era where women were sacrosanct; men's speech became less rough and respect was shown when the ladies were around. I believe in treating them gently and I've never hit a woman. I've been married nearly 30 years and I still open the car door for my wife. I treat her like a lady because she is a lady. However, I've seen women say and do things that hardened men wouldn't and it still surprises me every time. I once witnessed a woman try to physically assault a man in a store parking lot. He kept his cool and tried repeatedly to disengage. He finally pulled out of the parking lot and was stopped at a red light. She followed, got out her car with a baseball bat and began beating the hell out of his car in the middle of the street. When he got out to stop her, she took a swing at him. He decked her. His crime? He parked too close to her car. Women can't have it both ways. You can't reap the benefits of being on a societal pedestal but then jump into the gutter with men when it suits only to retreat again when you find out you've bitten off more than you can chew. If she's bold enough to physically assault a man, she's big enough to face the consequences. I know the PC thing is to say "never lay your hands on a woman", but there are times when that's not really accurate. Agree totally. I spent a few years dealing with female inmates, and cant count the number of times I had to lay hands on some of them. It was either that, or pack an ass beating from the woman. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 3, 2018 9:50:00 GMT -6
I’m in the camp of those who believe that if a woman wants to square up and behave like a man, then she will have to deal with the consequences of her actions when all attempts at diplomacy fail. A wild reckless Yasiel Puig of a woman is a legitimate threat for harm to a male.
Note: I’m not some anti-lesbian misogynist.
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 3, 2018 10:08:10 GMT -6
I’m in the camp of those who believe that if a woman wants to square up and behave like a man, then she will have to deal with the consequences of her actions when all attempts at diplomacy fail. A wild reckless Yasiel Puig of a woman is a legitimate threat for harm to a male. Note: I’m not some anti-lesbian misogynist. If a woman becomes that irate and just wants to scream and get physical....you are not going to reason with them...be the better person...walk away....and then later hookup with their best friend. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 3, 2018 10:11:32 GMT -6
I’m in the camp of those who believe that if a woman wants to square up and behave like a man, then she will have to deal with the consequences of her actions when all attempts at diplomacy fail. A wild reckless Yasiel Puig of a woman is a legitimate threat for harm to a male. Note: I’m not some anti-lesbian misogynist. If a woman becomes that irate and just wants to scream and get physical....you are not going to reason with them...be the better person...walk away....and then later hookup with their best friend. Well said, bro. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 3, 2018 10:21:00 GMT -6
Obviously there are circumstances where a man might find himself in a situation where he has to defend himself against a woman. She could be armed, she could be insane, she could have the face of a horse and the size and strength of a silver back and be looking for dinner. But that really is not what I thought we were talking about here. We are addressing a young man in prime physical condition that got into a domestic dispute. Short of her being armed and him having a reasonable fear for his own safety he has no business hitting a woman. If she squares up with him, he should back off, if she persists then he should back up some more, if she swings then he should get out of the way, eventually the passion will fade and she will quit. If she throws stuff leave and call the cops. Then you get rid of her any way necessary as crazy people should not be in your life. As a professional athlete it gets expensive pretty quick.
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Post by Saint on Aug 3, 2018 10:28:57 GMT -6
Self-defense is self-defense. All that matters is the level of force you use to defend your self given the amount of force they're using. Man or woman, if you use more than is obviously necessary, you face potential problems. If you have the option to walk away and you don't, man or woman, you could face potential problems (stand your ground or not).
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 3, 2018 11:08:58 GMT -6
Obviously, I don’t think a guy should ever hit a girl except in the extremest of situations (wielded weapon, escape impossible, life in peril), but that doesn’t mean the reverse should be allowed either, which generally is in our society.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 3, 2018 11:22:06 GMT -6
There are going to be some tough choices that have to be made shortly. When Osuna is ready, who do you send down, Harris, Devo, who, we have 13 pitchers now. So when we add Carlos and Jose back to the 25 man who do you cut, Davis and White or do you go with 12 pitchers. Some tough calls have to be made shortly. Maybe a couple of ten day deals for guys who are struggling. Going to be interesting. Unfortunately, Devo has the most options and has looked the worst so it would probably be him. As for position players, if nobody is hurt, I think it would have to be Davis and White. Marwin isn't going anywhere and we don't have a LFer again so they would have to keep Kemp and Jake. I would not object to Devenski being sent down to keep White or Davis. I think Jake stays and I agree with that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 3, 2018 11:23:54 GMT -6
Seems that a lot of us agree as to when a woman acts in a manner that justifies a man defending himself physically if necessaryl I have never hit a woman in my life,but, if one attacks me for no reason, I won't hesitate to try to knock her on her ass.
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Post by Saint on Aug 30, 2018 14:16:33 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2018 15:26:46 GMT -6
Good article that strengthens my opinion that he will not be convicted of anything. He cannot speak out due to his upcoming hearing and legal implications. No doubt in my mind that Luhnow had information that told him Osuna would not be convicted of anything before he traded for him. As far as Verlander and McCullers are concerned, they are paid to pitch not advise the GM about how to do his job. Too much is being made of what those two had to say. I am totally opposed to domestic violence in any form,but, I also don't think anyone should be convicted until they are proven guilty. I have not seen anything during games to indicate that the players are upset over him being here. He is doing his job, even though he has had a bad outing like any pitcher will have. He is a good, young closer who we control until he becomes a free agent in 2021 at a very reasonable salary. We stole him from Toronto and dumped a psycho in the process. For the record, Osuna has NEVER been married. |
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