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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2018 8:52:53 GMT -6
I’ve got no problem with Cash getting the MOY. He and Melvin actually manage. One should have to manage in order to qualify for the MOY. I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions? I for one really like Hinch, but he tends to leave in struggling pitchers too long and hands bases loaded situations to successive relievers constantly. Case in point: yesterday. They’re pretty upbeat on the radio no matter what goes on in the game, but you could hear the frustration in Robert Ford’s voice when he said that Hinch needed to take Peacock out of there. Why did it take a HBP run driven in for Hinch to finally go to Sipp? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 30, 2018 9:01:00 GMT -6
I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions? I for one really like Hinch, but he tends to leave in struggling pitchers too long and hands bases loaded situations to successive relievers constantly. Case in point: yesterday. They’re pretty upbeat on the radio no matter what goes on in the game, but you could hear the frustration in Robert Ford’s voice when he said that Hinch needed to take Peacock out of there. Why did it take a HBP run driven in for Hinch to finally go to Sipp? I don't disagree. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 30, 2018 9:17:00 GMT -6
I’ve got no problem with Cash getting the MOY. He and Melvin actually manage. One should have to manage in order to qualify for the MOY. I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions?
MOY should be reserved for skippers who get their clubs to play way over their potential. Cash is definitely this year's Molitor with respect to that |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 30, 2018 11:21:32 GMT -6
I’ve got no problem with Cash getting the MOY. He and Melvin actually manage. One should have to manage in order to qualify for the MOY. I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions? I think Hinch is a good “people person.” No doubt that he is a nice guy. I think he did a great job in tossing the clipboard aside and using Morton and McCullers in relief in the WS last fall, rather than going down in flames by using the bullpen arms in relief. That said, I do not think he is the best at managing a game in real time. There is value in being able to remain calm when the going gets tough, and I have to admit that he does remain calm....to a fault. He doesn’t seem to have ANY sense of urgency in the moments when the game is going to crap. Too often he will leave a pitcher in a game long after it is obvious that the pitcher has lost it and by the time he gets around to making a move it is too late and a lead is gone. Like I said...he is a good people person, and in this day of pampered, entitled athletes, there is value in having a manager who is good at stroking the players’ egos. I just don’t think he is all that good at real time game management. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 30, 2018 11:28:06 GMT -6
I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions? I think Hinch is a good “people person.” No doubt that he is a nice guy. I think he did a great job in tossing the clipboard aside and using Morton and McCullers in relief in the WS last fall, rather than going down in flames by using the bullpen arms in relief. That said, I do not think he is the best at managing a game in real time. There is value in being able to remain calm when the going gets tough, and I have to admit that he does remain calm....to a fault. He doesn’t seem to have ANY sense of urgency in the moments when the game is going to crap. Too often he will leave a pitcher in a game long after it is obvious that the pitcher has lost it and by the time he gets around to making a move it is too late and a lead is gone. Like I said...he is a good people person, and in this day of pampered, entitled athletes, there is value in having a manager who is good at stroking the players’ egos. I just don’t think he is all that good at real time game management. I agree with most of that. I feel Hinch does a good job with position player playing time. I don't always like his batting orders, but I think he does a good job at managing playing time and keeping people pretty rested. It's sometimes frustrating because we want to see our best every day, but, with such a long season, it's so important to have guys rested for the postseason. I can't say that we've ever had a manager since I started watching baseball back in the late 80's that made all the pitching decisions I would make. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2018 12:47:31 GMT -6
I feel like that's a dig at Hinch. I'm mixed on Hinch but you seem to downright dislike him. What do you not like about his decisions? I think Hinch is a good “people person.” No doubt that he is a nice guy. I think he did a great job in tossing the clipboard aside and using Morton and McCullers in relief in the WS last fall, rather than going down in flames by using the bullpen arms in relief. That said, I do not think he is the best at managing a game in real time. There is value in being able to remain calm when the going gets tough, and I have to admit that he does remain calm....to a fault. He doesn’t seem to have ANY sense of urgency in the moments when the game is going to crap. Too often he will leave a pitcher in a game long after it is obvious that the pitcher has lost it and by the time he gets around to making a move it is too late and a lead is gone. Like I said...he is a good people person, and in this day of pampered, entitled athletes, there is value in having a manager who is good at stroking the players’ egos. I just don’t think he is all that good at real time game management. Hinch's best quality is htat players like to play for him. And, as you said, he is good at stroking egos of pampered, entitled players. I think that also works against him at times. He is the right manager for this team. BUT, there are some things he does or does not do that drive me up the wall:L 1. He refuses to start baserunners when the situation calls for it and that is one reason why lead the league in hitting into DP's 2. He refuses to use a sac bunt in a tight game where one run can mean the difference in winning or losing. It also appears that our guys can't bunt when they are called on and that is the fault of coaches who don't spend time with them working on bunting. 3. He often leaves pitchers in the game too long as he did with Peacock yesterday. If not for Sipp and Smith, the game could have gotten away from us due to HInch leaving Peacock in to walk three and hit a batter to force in the tying run. 4. and the main thing he does that makes no sense........he refuses to realign the batting order when it seems obvious that he should. Ww were winning with Bregman leading off, but, George gets ready to play so back to the leadoff spot he goes even though he wea not producing there. Correa comes back and he puts him in the three or four spot when he is doing nothing but poppping up and striking out. He is hitting well under.200 since his return but AJ refuses to move him, down in the order. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2018 12:47:54 GMT -6
I for one really like Hinch, but he tends to leave in struggling pitchers too long and hands bases loaded situations to successive relievers constantly. Case in point: yesterday. They’re pretty upbeat on the radio no matter what goes on in the game, but you could hear the frustration in Robert Ford’s voice when he said that Hinch needed to take Peacock out of there. Why did it take a HBP run driven in for Hinch to finally go to Sipp? I don't disagree. . Yeah, I try not to complain too much about Hinch because I’m cognizant of guys like Williams, Mills, Cooper, Porter, etc. He far surpasses them. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2018 13:10:25 GMT -6
. Yeah, I try not to complain too much about Hinch because I’m cognizant of guys like Williams, Mills, Cooper, Porter, etc. He far surpasses them. He rates well ahead of those guys plus he is better than Dierker. The only one we ever had who is in the league with Hinch is Bill Virdon. Phil Garner was OK but not as good as Hinch.......the worst Was Cecil Cooper, |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2018 13:13:00 GMT -6
. Yeah, I try not to complain too much about Hinch because I’m cognizant of guys like Williams, Mills, Cooper, Porter, etc. He far surpasses them. He rates well ahead of those guys plus he is better than Dierker. The only one we ever had who is in the league with Hinch is Bill Virdon. Phil Garner was OK but not as good as Hinch.......the worst Was Cecil Cooper, I thought that Garner was good but was a bit overrated. Hinch overcoming Giles and the other non-closers in the postseason really impressed me. He’s number 1 over Dierker in my book. I never watched Virdon manage. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 30, 2018 13:55:46 GMT -6
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 30, 2018 13:56:18 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Aug 30, 2018 14:09:32 GMT -6
Can't argue with the results even if we don't always agree with the moves that are made or not made. We can argue how much credit he deserves, but no other Houston manager has gotten what he did last year.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2018 15:13:29 GMT -6
I’m curious about Giles’s comments regarding Hinch’s approach to managing.
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 30, 2018 15:41:29 GMT -6
You miss Giles more than Bortaz misses Ghick
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 30, 2018 15:43:20 GMT -6
I’m curious about Giles’s comments regarding Hinch’s approach to managing. No doubt Giles has a bad opinion of Hinch and probably think he was mistreated by the Astros. He was never going to pitch again in an Astros uniform. Luhnow did him a favor by sending him to Toronto to get a fresh start. From what I have seen, he is still horrible with the Bluejays. I doubt if Hinch or any Astros player cares what Giles thinks about anything, much like they didn't when we finally got rid of Carlos Gomez. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 30, 2018 18:30:53 GMT -6
You miss Giles more than Bortaz misses Ghick “F—k you, man.” |
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