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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 8:37:39 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:40:34 GMT -6
Go for it as long as it isn't going to mess anything up for the future. No reason to hold anything back now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 8:42:29 GMT -6
Go for it as long as it isn't going to mess anything up for the future. No reason to hold anything back now. I tell ya.... If this ruins his career there's going to be some heads rolling in the Astros medical staff. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:44:25 GMT -6
Go for it as long as it isn't going to mess anything up for the future. No reason to hold anything back now. I tell ya.... If this ruins his career there's going to be some heads rolling in the Astros medical staff. I would hope that if they're still letting him play that it's just soreness that will pass when he rests in the offseason. I guess we'll see... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 11, 2018 9:06:32 GMT -6
Thank God you found and posted this article, son. We've only been discussing it in other threads for 3 days. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 9:13:02 GMT -6
Thank God you found and posted this article, son. We've only been discussing it in other threads for 3 days. Dang, I didn’t realize. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 9:14:31 GMT -6
Go for it as long as it isn't going to mess anything up for the future. No reason to hold anything back now. My sentiments exactly. If they don’t push him now, they never will. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 9:14:56 GMT -6
Go for it as long as it isn't going to mess anything up for the future. No reason to hold anything back now. I tell ya.... If this ruins his career there's going to be some heads rolling in the Astros medical staff. Probably. |
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Post by batman007 on Oct 11, 2018 10:23:16 GMT -6
I seriously can't believe some of you actually want him to play through the pain. Why?
1. Playing through this injury could lead to further injury (possibly career ending however unlikely)
2. He's not giving 100% out on the field
If you don't give a shit about his health and well being because it's not you and your career on the line, then fine. You don't have to care. But why in the world would you want a player who can't give 100% in the most crucial games of the season?
If I were the Astros, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the season. No sense to risk the investment.
As a fan, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the ALCS, and reevaluate if we make it to the WS. No sense in having a player who can't give it 100% on the playing field.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 11, 2018 10:28:04 GMT -6
I seriously can't believe some of you actually want him to play through the pain. Why? 1. Playing through this injury could lead to further injury (possibly career ending however unlikely) 2. He's not giving 100% out on the field If you don't give a shit about his health and well being because it's not you and your career on the line, then fine. You don't have to care. But why in the world would you want a player who can't give 100% in the most crucial games of the season? If I were the Astros, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the season. No sense to risk the investment. As a fan, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the ALCS, and reevaluate if we make it to the WS. No sense in having a player who can't give it 100% on the playing field. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 11, 2018 10:28:14 GMT -6
I seriously can't believe some of you actually want him to play through the pain. Why? 1. Playing through this injury could lead to further injury (possibly career ending however unlikely) 2. He's not giving 100% out on the field If you don't give a shit about his health and well being because it's not you and your career on the line, then fine. You don't have to care. But why in the world would you want a player who can't give 100% in the most crucial games of the season? If I were the Astros, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the season. No sense to risk the investment. As a fan, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the ALCS, and reevaluate if we make it to the WS. No sense in having a player who can't give it 100% on the playing field. Agree 100% |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 11:04:13 GMT -6
Who said to keep playing if there was a chance it would make things worse for the future? We're assuming it won't hurt him for the future or they wouldn't be letting him play at all.
edit: And if it's doesn't pose a risk for him in the future, he's still a great shortstop who is still getting on base some and has hit a couple HRs in his last few games. It's professional sports; injuries happen. Players play through pain.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 11:12:32 GMT -6
Thank God you found and posted this article, son. We've only been discussing it in other threads for 3 days. Dang, I didn’t realize. Since we have basically been kept in the dark about this, none of us had any idea that his back was this much of a problem, but, with back issues, you never know. My brother-in-law and nephew have both had back issues for a long time. Now that I have seen this article, I can be much more tolerant of the bad at bats. If he can get this problem corrected, there is NO way we should let him go. When he went from the potential superstar he was last year to what he is now, we knew something was wrong. If he can't injure it further by continuing to play, the defense he can give at SS can compensate for some bat at bats. Let's just hope the problem is corrected in the off-season.......after we win another WS........and he returns 100% healthy in Spring Training. |
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Post by marshall on Oct 11, 2018 13:11:37 GMT -6
Thank God you found and posted this article, son. We've only been discussing it in other threads for 3 days. 3 DAYS? Try 3 months. It's been obvious since June. At first I thought it was a hurt wrist. But it turned out to be his back. But it definitely affected his swings and his approach to the pitches. He started guessing rather than reacting to the pitch. He stopped checking his swing altogether.
I hope off season rest will do the trick, but sometimes it never goes away and sometimes it will go away for a few years. But a chronic problem like this isn't promising.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 13:16:36 GMT -6
I seriously can't believe some of you actually want him to play through the pain. Why? 1. Playing through this injury could lead to further injury (possibly career ending however unlikely) 2. He's not giving 100% out on the field If you don't give a shit about his health and well being because it's not you and your career on the line, then fine. You don't have to care. But why in the world would you want a player who can't give 100% in the most crucial games of the season? If I were the Astros, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the season. No sense to risk the investment. As a fan, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the ALCS, and reevaluate if we make it to the WS. No sense in having a player who can't give it 100% on the playing field. ***** Nailed it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 11, 2018 13:17:35 GMT -6
Thank God you found and posted this article, son. We've only been discussing it in other threads for 3 days. 3 DAYS? Try 3 months. It's been obvious since June. At first I thought it was a hurt wrist. But it turned out to be his back. But it definitely affected his swings and his approach to the pitches. He started guessing rather than reacting to the pitch. He stopped checking his swing altogether.
I hope off season rest will do the trick, but sometimes it never goes away and sometimes it will go away for a few years. But a chronic problem like this isn't promising.
The article. The article didn't exist 3 months ago. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 11, 2018 13:18:23 GMT -6
I think all of us would like to consider that, but the alternatives aren't too appealing with Marwin at 3B and Kemp in LF. I'm sure that's what AJ's struggling with ***** Nailed it. It'd probably be Yuli at 3rd and White at 1st. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 13:18:56 GMT -6
I seriously can't believe some of you actually want him to play through the pain. Why? 1. Playing through this injury could lead to further injury (possibly career ending however unlikely) 2. He's not giving 100% out on the field If you don't give a shit about his health and well being because it's not you and your career on the line, then fine. You don't have to care. But why in the world would you want a player who can't give 100% in the most crucial games of the season? If I were the Astros, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the season. No sense to risk the investment. As a fan, and based on his own statements, I would shut him down for the ALCS, and reevaluate if we make it to the WS. No sense in having a player who can't give it 100% on the playing field. Nobody’s cracking a whip here. If he can play, he should play. If he can’t, then don’t. All in all, it’s up to three people: Correa, Hinch, and the head trainer. |
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Post by marshall on Oct 11, 2018 13:19:15 GMT -6
3 DAYS? Try 3 months. It's been obvious since June. At first I thought it was a hurt wrist. But it turned out to be his back. But it definitely affected his swings and his approach to the pitches. He started guessing rather than reacting to the pitch. He stopped checking his swing altogether.
I hope off season rest will do the trick, but sometimes it never goes away and sometimes it will go away for a few years. But a chronic problem like this isn't promising.
The article. The article didn't exist 3 months ago. My bad. You're talking about the article and I'm talking about the injury. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 13:20:47 GMT -6
It'd probably be Yuli at 3rd and White at 1st. Cycle the DH with Altuve, Kemp, Gurriel, and Gonzalez. It could work theoretically. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 13:22:45 GMT -6
Who said to keep playing if there was a chance it would make things worse for the future? We're assuming it won't hurt him for the future or they wouldn't be letting him play at all. edit: And if it's doesn't pose a risk for him in the future, he's still a great shortstop who is still getting on base some and has hit a couple HRs in his last few games. It's professional sports; injuries happen. Players play through pain. I’m in that weird place where I agree with both you and Jeff. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -6
Could be that something other than long-term rest is needed to cure Correa's back issues. Whatever the case, I would think they would get on it right after we win the WS again
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 13:55:28 GMT -6
Could be that something other than long-term rest is needed to cure Correa's back issues. Whatever the case, I would think they would get on it right after we win the WS again All I know is I cannot remember the team every being this secretive about an injury. Kind of makes you wonder. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 14:26:23 GMT -6
Who said to keep playing if there was a chance it would make things worse for the future? We're assuming it won't hurt him for the future or they wouldn't be letting him play at all. edit: And if it's doesn't pose a risk for him in the future, he's still a great shortstop who is still getting on base some and has hit a couple HRs in his last few games. It's professional sports; injuries happen. Players play through pain. I’m in that weird place where I agree with both you and Jeff. I don't disagree with Jeff if there is a real concern about worse injuries. I'm assuming that a multi-million (billion?) dollar franchise would have the appropriate medical staff in place to figure out if a guy is risking long-term injuries by playing through the pain. Players play hurt all the time. Some make the news and some don't. How long did Bagwell play with his shoulder killing him before it became public knowledge? There is always the risk of a career-ending injury even for a perfectly healthy player. They get very well compensated to deal with that risk. Would any of us NOT trade places with Correa right now? (And I mean the money, not Daniella.) |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 14:41:17 GMT -6
Could be that something other than long-term rest is needed to cure Correa's back issues. Whatever the case, I would think they would get on it right after we win the WS again All I know is I cannot remember the team every being this secretive about an injury. Kind of makes you wonder. This secrecy has left a lot of things open for speculation. I realize they don't owe us all the details about what caused this back issue, but, a more detailed explanation could have answered lots of questions. All too often when a player is ingured, we are told "he's day to day" and it ends up with a long stint on the DL. Carlos has not been himself for most of the seasson. When they pronounce him ready to play and then his offensive production suffers like Carlos' has the large majority of the time since coming off the DL, it makes you wonder if we have been given any factual information. Houston is home to some of the finest doctors and medical facilities in the world so we would assume Correa's back issues could be properly diagnosed and treated. |
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Post by batman007 on Oct 11, 2018 15:12:03 GMT -6
So we assume there is nothing career ending if he continues to play. Now the question is why would you want someone that can’t play 100%? We’ve seen that it’s already hurting his swing. Does his defense make up for it? If yes, then this is basically Jake Marisnick 2.0. The difference is rest wont fix Jake’s problem in the batters box.
If swinging hurts him that bad, that should be a clear sign that he shouldn’t be swinging at all.
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 15:24:41 GMT -6
Well let's use the ALDS as a guideline. Correa played flawless defense and got on base 30% of the time with one HR per 3 games.
The comparison would be:
Bregman SS
Gurriel 3B
White 1B
Marwin LF
Gattis/Kemp DH
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Correa SS
Bregman 3B
Gurriel 1B
Marwin LF
White DH
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Marwin SS
Bregman 3B
Gurriel 1B
Kemp LF
White DH
Which group is more productive but still maintains good defense?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 11, 2018 22:11:22 GMT -6
Well let's use the ALDS as a guideline. Correa played flawless defense and got on base 30% of the time with one HR per 3 games. The comparison would be: Bregman SS Gurriel 3B White 1B Marwin LF Gattis/Kemp DH or Correa SS Bregman 3B Gurriel 1B Marwin LF White DH or Marwin SS Bregman 3B Gurriel 1B Kemp LF White DH Which group is more productive but still maintains good defense? A. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Oct 12, 2018 2:42:17 GMT -6
Maybe, just maybe, this whole "My back hurts! -Carlos Correa" thing is a Sun Tzu-like ploy to get the BoSox to pitch aggressively to CC.
Let them think Carlos can't hit the ball, then let him wallop those center cut fastballs over the outfield fence.
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Post by talshill on Oct 12, 2018 7:12:14 GMT -6
Back spasms are terribly painful; I know from experience. The erector spinae muscles (back strap) are used to a certain amount of tension and will attempt to maintain its usual amount. When an intervertebral disc is bulged or ruptured it shortens, creating a loss of tension. The muscles respond by tightening up, essentially creating a "frog" in the back muscle that won't go away. I began having back spasms in my late 20's. When I was 32 I ruptured a lumbar disc by simply stepping off a ladder. It felt like someone had stabbed me with a red-hot knife just above my sacrum. I remember crawling into my house on all-fours because it hurt too much to stand and I had some loss of sensation in my left buttock. That's when I discovered I wasn't immortal. I saw a neurosurgeon friend who told me about the surgical procedures available to attempt to correct the problem and my odds afterward. I wasn't impressed and opted not to have surgery (although I understand new options have emerged since then). Flash forward I'm now in my 50's. With time, enough scar tissue has formed that I can do just about anything I want to do, including swinging a bat, but to this day there are things I can't do: I can't sit in a folding metal chair for very long and I can't rotate while carrying much weight. Rotational forces (swinging a bat) are a particular problem with this sort of injury. Of course, I'm speculating that this is his issue, but if it is, he's going to have issues not only for the rest of his career, but probably the rest of his life. On the other hand he has access to the best medical care in the world. We'll see.
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