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Post by bearbryant on Oct 20, 2018 4:43:00 GMT -6
I'm not happy to be rid of Dallas I don’t think anyone will be happy. I just was tired of hoping he’d return to the ‘15 Dallas.
does not want to be an Astro next year. I don't see how it would be otherwise after the way the club's been behaving for the last 2 years like we don't want him under contract come 2019 |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 8:19:03 GMT -6
I don’t think anyone will be happy. I just was tired of hoping he’d return to the ‘15 Dallas.
does not want to be an Astro next year. I don't see how it would be otherwise after the way the club's been behaving for the last 2 years like we don't want him under contract come 2019Conversely, what about how he’s performed since he won a Cy Young? I guarantee you he’s not accepting any discounts. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 8:21:47 GMT -6
I don’t think anyone will be happy. I just was tired of hoping he’d return to the ‘15 Dallas. So with the issue with McCullers we have two pieces to a 5 man rotation. Add in McHugh as he is a proven starter in this league and we have a 1, 2, and a 5. So who is going to be our #3 and our #4 starter. James and Valdez looked good but they have no history and setting our sights on getting back to the WS for 2019 we have to have proven guys. We have to sign Morton or Keuchel and that should be priority #1 for the off season. We do not need both of them but we do need one of them. So get one and then let’s move to the next step of lineup reconfiguration. I really like Morton, but at the same time, I don’t know how much the team should rely on a veteran at the end of his rope constantly mulling retirement. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 20, 2018 8:36:12 GMT -6
everyone wants everyone on the staff to pitch like an ace, but someone who's a #3-4 is valuable too. It's something I'm 100% positive will need to be addressed in the offseason cause Keuchel
does not want to be an Astro next year. I don't see how it would be otherwise after the way the club's been behaving for the last 2 years like we don't want him under contract come 2019 Conversely, what about how he’s performed since he won a Cy Young? I guarantee you he’s not accepting any discounts.
Keuchel's a solid #4 but replacement-level as a #3 and we're supposed to be contenders |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 9:24:18 GMT -6
Conversely, what about how he’s performed since he won a Cy Young? I guarantee you he’s not accepting any discounts.
Keuchel's a solid #4 but replacement-level as a #3 and we're supposed to be contendersThe ultimate value in Keuchel lies in the injury to McCullers. The ball is in his court. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 20, 2018 10:26:36 GMT -6
How about adding a couple of Diamondbacks, Corbin in free agency and the last year of Goldschmidt. Goldschmidt would cost us a couple of our better guys but why not. Imagine him in the lineup along with Corbin as our #3.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 20, 2018 10:47:59 GMT -6
How about adding a couple of Diamondbacks, Corbin in free agency and the last year of Goldschmidt. Goldschmidt would cost us a couple of our better guys but why not. Imagine him in the lineup along with Corbin as our #3. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 20, 2018 10:51:44 GMT -6
Like a #3 or 4 like I said. I hope the front office has a plan in place for his replacement. One of the rookies wouldn't be able to log 180 IP next season under reasonable expectations
Keuchel's a solid #4 but replacement-level as a #3 and we're supposed to be contenders The ultimate value in Keuchel lies in the injury to McCullers. The ball is in his court.
to offer Keuchel the QO |
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Post by Saint on Oct 20, 2018 11:09:51 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't feel we have that much great depth that we can afford to trade many prospects.
I think our goal should be to spend a little more money in the short term.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 13:56:01 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't feel we have that much great depth that we can afford to trade many prospects. I think our goal should be to spend a little more money in the short term. I agree. They have so many pending free agents next offseason that they can ill afford to trade away the pitching depth. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 14:57:18 GMT -6
Are we all in agreement that Keuchel and Gattis are gone?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 20, 2018 16:23:56 GMT -6
The Keuchel problem is that he has indeed pitched like a 3 or 4 (or 5) guy, but will expect to be paid as a 1
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 16:55:42 GMT -6
Are we all in agreement that Keuchel and Gattis are gone? We all know I won’t lose any sleep over Gattis leaving. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 20, 2018 16:57:03 GMT -6
The ultimate value in Keuchel lies in the injury to McCullers. The ball is in his court.
to offer Keuchel the QONo harm in offering Keuchel a QO. I’m undecided on Marwin. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 20, 2018 17:21:27 GMT -6
Houston has contracts with 8 guys next year that total 82 million
Houston has 9 guys that are arbitration eligible with expected salaries of 46 million.
Houston has 7 guys who have not reached arbitration levels yet and will get around 4 million total
That adds up to 132 million for 24 guys. The luxury tax is at 206 this year. We have a lot of money to sign guys, extend guys, and trade for salaries if we so desire. This is a great place for this franchise to be in. We can literally do whatever makes sense for our club and our ability to make a real, real strong run for the World Series next year. Great time to be an Astros fan.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 20, 2018 19:08:15 GMT -6
Are we all in agreement that Keuchel and Gattis are gone? We all know I won’t lose any sleep over Gattis leaving. Ga...Gat...not here anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 20:11:08 GMT -6
The Keuchel problem is that he has indeed pitched like a 3 or 4 (or 5) guy, but will expect to be paid as a 1 You see anyone out there dumb enough to pay him #1/#2 wages? Combination of age / performance trends tells me otherwise. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 20, 2018 20:22:46 GMT -6
The Keuchel problem is that he has indeed pitched like a 3 or 4 (or 5) guy, but will expect to be paid as a 1 You see anyone out there dumb enough to pay him #1/#2 wages? Combination of age / performance trends tells me otherwise. Maybe not, but hopefully the Astros won't. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 22, 2018 8:39:24 GMT -6
Looking down the road, we have these guys becoming free agents after the 2019 season:
Verlander
Joe Smith
Rondon
Cole
McHugh
Peacock
Pressley
If all of those guys walk, that’s approximately $57 million coming off the books after next season. I have read somewhere that JV and Kate have a home in Los Angeles. As much as I would like to have JV stick around, I think he will probably walk after 2019.
After next season, I would let Smith, Rondon and Peacock walk. We have a lot of good arms in the minor leagues. No doubt in my mind that we will be able to cover the loss of those 3 without going outside the organization. I would try to sign Cole, McHugh and Pressley. I would try to lock up Springer on a long-term deal.
Reddick, Yuli, Jake and Osuna become free agents after the 2020 season. If we let all of those guys walk, that will be $30 million +/- coming off the books after the 2020 season....enough to cover Springer’s annual salary under an extension, I would think.
We desperately need a legitimate DH next season. I am hoping Luhnow will sign a guy (Donaldson maybe?) who needs to rebuild some value to a one-year deal to cover 2019 and then try to sign Goldschmidt after the 2019 season and move Yuli to DH in 2020.
What do you guys think of this? Does it make sense? Is it doable?
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2018 9:16:48 GMT -6
The Keuchel problem is that he has indeed pitched like a 3 or 4 (or 5) guy, but will expect to be paid as a 1 I doubt that. I don't think he'll expect more than what Arrieta received last year. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2018 9:18:00 GMT -6
Looking down the road, we have these guys becoming free agents after the 2019 season: Verlander Joe Smith Rondon Cole McHugh Peacock Pressley If all of those guys walk, that’s approximately $57 million coming off the books after next season. I have read somewhere that JV and Kate have a home in Los Angeles. As much as I would like to have JV stick around, I think he will probably walk after 2019. After next season, I would let Smith, Rondon and Peacock walk. We have a lot of good arms in the minor leagues. No doubt in my mind that we will be able to cover the loss of those 3 without going outside the organization. I would try to sign Cole, McHugh and Pressley. I would try to lock up Springer on a long-term deal. Reddick, Yuli, Jake and Osuna become free agents after the 2020 season. If we let all of those guys walk, that will be $30 million +/- coming off the books after the 2020 season....enough to cover Springer’s annual salary under an extension, I would think. We desperately need a legitimate DH next season. I am hoping Luhnow will sign a guy (Donaldson maybe?) who needs to rebuild some value to a one-year deal to cover 2019 and then try to sign Goldschmidt after the 2019 season and move Yuli to DH in 2020. What do you guys think of this? Does it make sense? Is it doable? I think it's doable, but I doubt Donaldson will take a 1-year deal. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 22, 2018 9:30:42 GMT -6
Looking down the road, we have these guys becoming free agents after the 2019 season: Verlander Joe Smith Rondon Cole McHugh Peacock Pressley If all of those guys walk, that’s approximately $57 million coming off the books after next season. I have read somewhere that JV and Kate have a home in Los Angeles. As much as I would like to have JV stick around, I think he will probably walk after 2019. After next season, I would let Smith, Rondon and Peacock walk. We have a lot of good arms in the minor leagues. No doubt in my mind that we will be able to cover the loss of those 3 without going outside the organization. I would try to sign Cole, McHugh and Pressley. I would try to lock up Springer on a long-term deal. Reddick, Yuli, Jake and Osuna become free agents after the 2020 season. If we let all of those guys walk, that will be $30 million +/- coming off the books after the 2020 season....enough to cover Springer’s annual salary under an extension, I would think. We desperately need a legitimate DH next season. I am hoping Luhnow will sign a guy (Donaldson maybe?) who needs to rebuild some value to a one-year deal to cover 2019 and then try to sign Goldschmidt after the 2019 season and move Yuli to DH in 2020. What do you guys think of this? Does it make sense? Is it doable? Next offseason is going to suck hard. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 22, 2018 13:57:46 GMT -6
Looking down the road, we have these guys becoming free agents after the 2019 season: Verlander Joe Smith Rondon Cole McHugh Peacock Pressley If all of those guys walk, that’s approximately $57 million coming off the books after next season. I have read somewhere that JV and Kate have a home in Los Angeles. As much as I would like to have JV stick around, I think he will probably walk after 2019. After next season, I would let Smith, Rondon and Peacock walk. We have a lot of good arms in the minor leagues. No doubt in my mind that we will be able to cover the loss of those 3 without going outside the organization. I would try to sign Cole, McHugh and Pressley. I would try to lock up Springer on a long-term deal. Reddick, Yuli, Jake and Osuna become free agents after the 2020 season. If we let all of those guys walk, that will be $30 million +/- coming off the books after the 2020 season....enough to cover Springer’s annual salary under an extension, I would think. We desperately need a legitimate DH next season. I am hoping Luhnow will sign a guy (Donaldson maybe?) who needs to rebuild some value to a one-year deal to cover 2019 and then try to sign Goldschmidt after the 2019 season and move Yuli to DH in 2020. What do you guys think of this? Does it make sense? Is it doable? Next offseason is going to suck hard. Makes trading away top prospects harder to do. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 22, 2018 13:59:39 GMT -6
Looking down the road, we have these guys becoming free agents after the 2019 season: Verlander Joe Smith Rondon Cole McHugh Peacock Pressley If all of those guys walk, that’s approximately $57 million coming off the books after next season. I have read somewhere that JV and Kate have a home in Los Angeles. As much as I would like to have JV stick around, I think he will probably walk after 2019. After next season, I would let Smith, Rondon and Peacock walk. We have a lot of good arms in the minor leagues. No doubt in my mind that we will be able to cover the loss of those 3 without going outside the organization. I would try to sign Cole, McHugh and Pressley. I would try to lock up Springer on a long-term deal. Reddick, Yuli, Jake and Osuna become free agents after the 2020 season. If we let all of those guys walk, that will be $30 million +/- coming off the books after the 2020 season....enough to cover Springer’s annual salary under an extension, I would think. We desperately need a legitimate DH next season. I am hoping Luhnow will sign a guy (Donaldson maybe?) who needs to rebuild some value to a one-year deal to cover 2019 and then try to sign Goldschmidt after the 2019 season and move Yuli to DH in 2020. What do you guys think of this? Does it make sense? Is it doable? I like signing Nelson Cruz or trading for Jose Martinez (if the asking price is reasonable) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 22, 2018 14:07:59 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't feel we have that much great depth that we can afford to trade many prospects. I think our goal should be to spend a little more money in the short term. I totally agree. I hope they spend more time searching for a worthy DH. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 22, 2018 14:48:40 GMT -6
“I think it's doable, but I doubt Donaldson will take a 1-year deal.” - Saint
Is there a FA that you can think of who had a down year this year and might take a one year deal to rebuild some value?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 22, 2018 15:41:02 GMT -6
“I think it's doable, but I doubt Donaldson will take a 1-year deal.” - Saint Is there a FA that you can think of who had a down year this year and might take a one year deal to rebuild some value? All I know is that if people are hesitant with Brantley because of his injury history, they should stay a mile away from Donaldson. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 22, 2018 15:58:54 GMT -6
“I think it's doable, but I doubt Donaldson will take a 1-year deal.” - Saint Is there a FA that you can think of who had a down year this year and might take a one year deal to rebuild some value? All I know is that if people are hesitant with Brantley because of his injury history, they should stay a mile away from Donaldson. I wouldn’t be for signing either guy to a long term contract. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2018 16:11:32 GMT -6
“I think it's doable, but I doubt Donaldson will take a 1-year deal.” - Saint Is there a FA that you can think of who had a down year this year and might take a one year deal to rebuild some value? Lucas Duda Matt Adams Carlos Gonzalez Jose Bautista Adam Jones (Will probably want multiple years and will want to play OF, but worth a shot at a 1-year deal as a DH-only since his defense is crap now.) Adrian Beltre All are players worth kicking the tires on to see what they're looking for 1-year deal wise. Although I'm not against looking at a multi-year deal for Donaldson with the understanding he'd be spending his time mostly DHing to protect his health. If I was GM though, I'd be trying to sign Evan Gattis to a 2-year $8-10 million deal and making him spend all of the Fall and ST working out at catcher. If you got his offensive production this year (or any of his years) with his defensive performance from 2016, you'd have a heck of a decent backup catcher/DH for a reasonable price to pair with Stubbs or Stassi. Then, when he catches, let Altuve and Correa DH to hopefully keep them healthy and rested. Then see if you can get Eduardo Escobar to replace Marwin with a 2 or 3-year deal. (I don't think he is necessarily an upgrade over Marwin, but you could get the compensation pick from losing Marwin and get a guy coming off a very good year who has a lot of versatility.) |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 22, 2018 16:30:31 GMT -6
“Then see if you can get Eduardo Escobar to replace Marwin with a 2 or 3-year deal. (I don't think he is necessarily an upgrade over Marwin, but you could get the compensation pick from losing Marwin and get a guy coming off a very good year who has a lot of versatility.)”
I just had an alert come on my ipad saying the D-Backs just signed Escobar to a 3 year deal.
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