Bregman

[Saint]

www.mlb.com/astros/news/alex-bregman-disappointed-by-deal-renewal

This, and his somewhat annoying social media presence, are a little concerning for trying (or wanting) to keep him long-term.  I get his point of view, but he has to know the state of the game and how the market is working now.  You can't take it personally. Like most new jobs, you have to put in your time and prove your worth before you start seeing more perks.

I think he'll continue to be a very good player, but you have to do it more than one year before you start getting super-paid. Besides, even if he has a mediocre season this year, he'll likely end up with a salary next season that will be more money than most people make in a decade or more of work. 

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Bregman was also one of the two Astros who were complaining about how teams were approaching signing of FAs, and suggesting that it would lead to a strike.

[Saint]

You can't have it both ways. Either you pay free agents more than they're now worth based on their past performance, or you pay club-controlled guys more what they're currently worth.

[Deleted]

I really like Bregman a lot more, when he is keeping his trap shut.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Mar 11, 2019 14:21:06 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

I really like Bregman a lot more, when he is keeping his trap shut.

I said it a couple years ago. I appreciate his output on the field, but won't ever like him. He can either stay in Houston, or leave...I don't care which.

[unionstation82]

I’ve never understood why athletes feel compelled to offer their opinions about anything. Just chill out and focus on winning. No one needs to hear about how you’re disappointed in not being even more rich.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

f*** him. He was paid more than any other Astros player (except 1) at the same stage of their career, ever. And only 10 MLB players on any team have been paid more at the same stage of their career.

[blcoach8]

Mar 11, 2019 14:21:06 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

I really like Bregman a lot more, when he is keeping his trap shut.

i think most of us do.  He has tendency to open his mouth and make an ass of himself. The fact that he is a damn left-wing liberal also pisses me off.

[astrosdoug]

Mar 11, 2019 13:38:40 GMT -6 Saint said:

www.mlb.com/astros/news/alex-bregman-disappointed-by-deal-renewal

This, and his somewhat annoying social media presence, are a little concerning for trying (or wanting) to keep him long-term.  I get his point of view, but he has to know the state of the game and how the market is working now.  You can't take it personally. Like most new jobs, you have to put in your time and prove your worth before you start seeing more perks.

I think he'll continue to be a very good player, but you have to do it more than one year before you start getting super-paid. Besides, even if he has a mediocre season this year, he'll likely end up with a salary next season that will be more money than most people make in a decade or more of work. 

Bregman has it much better than most of his young teammates in that he got a big bonus when he joined the organization, over $5M if I recall correctly. 

Guys like Tyler White got next to nothing and yet you look at the end-of-year stats and there you see the OPS figures put up by Bregman and White are virtually identical... funny that Tyler White isn't complaining even though he has a lot more reason to gripe. 

[marshall]

I'm not terribly concerned with players griping about their salary. It's almost a requirement for getting a payheck rather than a distribution. (Owner/investor)

As long as he doesn't start spouting off about politics while on the job I'm paying for, either directly or indirectly, I'm good.

I have no expectations about people's class or tact. Those principles appear to have been dealt a death blow many years ago.

[abregmanfan]

Mar 12, 2019 22:34:47 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Mar 11, 2019 14:21:06 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

I really like Bregman a lot more, when he is keeping his trap shut.

i think most of us do.  He has tendency to open his mouth and make an ass of himself. The fact that he is a damn left-wing liberal also pisses me off.

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Mar 12, 2019 22:34:47 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

i think most of us do.  He has tendency to open his mouth and make an ass of himself. The fact that he is a damn left-wing liberal also pisses me off.

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

Honestly, 99% of us here are dang glad he is on the team, and is a hell of a ball player with a lot of upside potential still.

I think what we have to hope is that one of his verbal miscues backfires, and he has an epiphany and awakening that being low key is a better way to thrive in this league.

[Saint]

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Mar 12, 2019 22:34:47 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

i think most of us do.  He has tendency to open his mouth and make an ass of himself. The fact that he is a damn left-wing liberal also pisses me off.

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

You can still be a fan of his baseball prowess.

[unionstation82]

Mar 13, 2019 10:31:58 GMT -6 Saint said:

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

You can still be a fan of his baseball prowess.

He can have an “I <3 Hillary” tattoo on his arm for all I care as long as he’s hitting 30 bombs and driving in 100 on the regular.

[Saint]

The flip side of Bregman:

Alex Bregman (2018): 31 HR, 51 2B, 96 BB

No primary third baseman -- not Mike Schmidt, not George Brett, not Chipper Jones -- had ever combined 30 homers with 50 doubles … until Bregman achieved the feat in his age-24 season.

So Bregman already owns history at his position, but all those walks raised the Astros’ star into a second stratosphere. Only seven players had ever put up 30 homers, 50 doubles and 90 walks in a season before Bregman: Lance Berkman, Carlos Delgado, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Todd Helton, Stan Musial and David Ortiz. Helton is the only one to post that combination twice -- going back-to-back in 2000 and ’01. It would be amazing to see Bregman do the same.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Mar 12, 2019 22:34:47 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

i think most of us do.  He has tendency to open his mouth and make an ass of himself. The fact that he is a damn left-wing liberal also pisses me off.

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

Mmm hmm. So was Jcastro...I detect a theme.

[blcoach8]

Mar 13, 2019 10:31:23 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

Honestly, 99% of us here are dang glad he is on the team, and is a hell of a ball player with a lot of upside potential still.

I think what we have to hope is that one of his verbal miscues backfires, and he has an epiphany and awakening that being low key is a better way to thrive in this league.

I am glad he is on the team but wish he could keep his mouth shut.

[blcoach8]

Mar 13, 2019 13:07:39 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

Mmm hmm. So was Jcastro...I detect a theme.

To clear things up, liberals are idiots and I despise them.  They are trying to destroy the country.

[abregmanfan]

Mar 13, 2019 13:07:39 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Mar 13, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

To go on record, at the time I chose my name I did not know he was a left-wing liberal.

Mmm hmm. So was Jcastro...I detect a theme.

You have a good memory there Kermit.

[Saint]

I think Bregman deserves some credit for taking this extension. On the surface, saying it's a sacrifice for him to take $100 million is ridiculous. But when you look at what some other players are getting (or being offered) with these extensions, and the fact that he could have gone to free agency in his prime and potentially made twice as much (or more) it says he wanted to commit to the Astros. Heck, reports are coming out that Betts turned down at 8-year $200 million extension last year.

Instead of going into free agency at 28, he'll now be 30...which makes a big difference for him. He's giving us his best years knowing that he won't make as much as when he's a free agent.

And I don't think it's a coincidence he agreed to a deal that keeps him with Altuve for the exact same amount of time. Their two deals show that the Astros are committing to a longer competitive window. I think this will help in trying to re-sign Cole and/or Verlander too.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Wasn't his deal one of the biggest ever given for a player at this point in their career?

[Saint]

Yeah it's a pretty good one. I think I read that only Posey and Trout had larger ones. But, I think you're going to see more and more teams trying to work out these types of deals and it makes sense.

Pay them more what they're worth when they're actually worth it.

The old way of paying them huge contracts as free agents for what they've already done...not what they can still do...was a problem. If players/agents can agree to these types of deals and then stay reasonable when the players are older, everybody will be better off, imo. The balance will come from which young players have proven enough to warrant these kinds of deals, and teams will be tougher with pitchers due to the bigger potential health concerns.

[marshall]

Mar 20, 2019 9:46:56 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Wasn't his deal one of the biggest ever given for a player at this point in their career?

One of, Yes. It was being compared with Trout's deal because it happened at the same point in pre-arbitration.

I think it's a good deal since we were probably facing at least 20 $7M, 21 $14M, 22 21M, 23 $30M and 24 $30M considering the recent awards which total $102M. We risk it going lower and he risks it going higher. It also staggers the core since Altuve is a FA in 24.

I like this deal.

[m240]

Mar 20, 2019 13:17:48 GMT -6 marshall said:

Mar 20, 2019 9:46:56 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Wasn't his deal one of the biggest ever given for a player at this point in their career?

One of, Yes. It was being compared with Trout's deal because it happened at the same point in pre-arbitration.

I think it's a good deal since we were probably facing at least 20 $7M, 21 $14M, 22 21M, 23 $30M and 24 $30M considering the recent awards which total $102M. We risk it going lower and he risks it going higher. It also staggers the core since Altuve is a FA in 24.

I like this deal.

This is a good deal all around.  I kind of wonder if Correa is going to be the target for next off season.  Getting him done this Spring would not of been a good idea given his slump at the end of last year.  

[Saint]

Mar 22, 2019 6:25:58 GMT -6 m240 said:

Mar 20, 2019 13:17:48 GMT -6 marshall said:

One of, Yes. It was being compared with Trout's deal because it happened at the same point in pre-arbitration.

I think it's a good deal since we were probably facing at least 20 $7M, 21 $14M, 22 21M, 23 $30M and 24 $30M considering the recent awards which total $102M. We risk it going lower and he risks it going higher. It also staggers the core since Altuve is a FA in 24.

I like this deal.

This is a good deal all around.  I kind of wonder if Correa is going to be the target for next off season.  Getting him done this Spring would not of been a good idea given his slump at the end of last year.  

He wants to be a Yankee.  I don't see it happening.

[Deleted]

Mar 22, 2019 7:23:46 GMT -6 Saint said:

Mar 22, 2019 6:25:58 GMT -6 m240 said:

This is a good deal all around.  I kind of wonder if Correa is going to be the target for next off season.  Getting him done this Spring would not of been a good idea given his slump at the end of last year.  

He wants to be a Yankee.  I don't see it happening.

This year will be pivitol. If 2019 looks like 2018, let him go.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Mar 22, 2019 7:23:46 GMT -6 Saint said:

Mar 22, 2019 6:25:58 GMT -6 m240 said:

This is a good deal all around.  I kind of wonder if Correa is going to be the target for next off season.  Getting him done this Spring would not of been a good idea given his slump at the end of last year.  

He wants to be a Yankee.  I don't see it happening.

Has he said that? or do we just presume it?

[Saint]

Mar 22, 2019 8:27:20 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Mar 22, 2019 7:23:46 GMT -6 Saint said:

He wants to be a Yankee.  I don't see it happening.

Has he said that? or do we just presume it?

Presuming based on comments about NYC, Jeter, etc. Plus, you can tell the way he is positioning himself on social media with his model wife's show that they have bigger brand-growing dreams.

Not to mention the fact that he has basically shot down any extension talk so far. He seems pretty determined to test free agency.

That being said, I also think Springer would prefer to play in the NE.  We'll see.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Mar 22, 2019 8:43:56 GMT -6 Saint said:

Mar 22, 2019 8:27:20 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Has he said that? or do we just presume it?

Presuming based on comments about NYC, Jeter, etc. Plus, you can tell the way he is positioning himself on social media with his model wife's show that they have bigger brand-growing dreams.

Not to mention the fact that he has basically shot down any extension talk so far. He seems pretty determined to test free agency.

That being said, I also think Springer would prefer to play in the NE.  We'll see.

I was just curious, because it has been stated as fact so many times throughout the Astros news-sphere and fandom, but I never saw any corroboration from the source. Astros fans on the internet are the worst at getting a rumor started and then saying it so many times that they begin to believe it as canon.
 

[Saint]

Mar 22, 2019 8:47:14 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Mar 22, 2019 8:43:56 GMT -6 Saint said:

Presuming based on comments about NYC, Jeter, etc. Plus, you can tell the way he is positioning himself on social media with his model wife's show that they have bigger brand-growing dreams.

Not to mention the fact that he has basically shot down any extension talk so far. He seems pretty determined to test free agency.

That being said, I also think Springer would prefer to play in the NE.  We'll see.

I was just curious, because it has been stated as fact so many times throughout the Astros news-sphere and fandom, but I never saw any corroboration from the source. Astros fans on the internet are the worst at getting a rumor started and then saying it so many times that they begin to believe it as canon.
 

Yup.  I don't believe he has come out anywhere and said it, but he has made many comments that make it seem like it's a dream of his.  Course, money and success can change opinions so you never know.