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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 23, 2019 7:14:42 GMT -6
It's fortunate in a sense that the pitching staff is showing its warts now rather than playing over its head for the first half of the season.
This way, Luhnow has time to address the problem through trades (or even... a Keuchel signing?). If the pitching staff waited until August to implode, it would be too late for Luhnow to do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 7:51:28 GMT -6
This team has been very frustrating so far this season. Very streaky and I don't like it. I loved the 10 game winning streak, but I do not enjoy the 3 + game losing streaks.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 23, 2019 8:25:08 GMT -6
The longer the Astros starters fail to get cleanly through the first inning, the higher the odds of a Keuchel reunion go.
Not that I'm a huge fan of The Beard, but just looking as objectively as possible at Starting Pitching labor market.
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Post by olpapa on Apr 23, 2019 8:58:13 GMT -6
I just don’t see Luhnow signing Keuchel to anything more than a 1-year deal and I don’t see Keuchel settling for a 1-year deal.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 23, 2019 9:12:10 GMT -6
In the end, the Padres will probably be more willing than the Astros to accommodate Keuchel. But whereas the odds of an Astros-Keuchel reunion may have been 2% a month ago, they might be 10% now.
Martin, Rodgers, and Sneed are all conceivable options for SP5 but I'm not sure how much experimentation Hinch wants to get into now that the season has started and the Astros have some pesky competitors for the AL West.
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 9:46:45 GMT -6
I'd put Peacock back in the pen and test drive Corbin Martin as SP5. As much as I felt that Keuchel’s price tag would be too much for the team, I have to admit that his loss created a patchwork rotation. They are elite with Verlander and Cole. However, after that the staff is fairly weak. McHugh and Peacock are back end starters who are arguably better relievers. Miley could be a #3, but he’s a band aid for the loss of Keuchel. Josh James is not right and not an option for the rotation. Any help from the farm they could use could only benefit them whether it be for the outfield or the middle relief. We passes on chances to improve the rotation over the winter, I agree with Doug,.......put Peacock back in the pen and try Martin or bring up Whitley,. Send James down and do something with Devenski.....he is terrible. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 23, 2019 9:53:29 GMT -6
James may well need 6 weeks or so on the DL to get his quad fixed right. That's OK so long as he is in game shape for the second half of the season. What could be better than a dominant James in the second half who isn't winded from throwing too many innings on the season.
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 23, 2019 11:01:14 GMT -6
The longer the Astros starters fail to get cleanly through the first inning, the higher the odds of a Keuchel reunion go. Not that I'm a huge fan of The Beard, but just looking as objectively as possible at Starting Pitching labor market. My sentiments exactly. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 11:07:31 GMT -6
The longer the Astros starters fail to get cleanly through the first inning, the higher the odds of a Keuchel reunion go. Not that I'm a huge fan of The Beard, but just looking as objectively as possible at Starting Pitching labor market. My sentiments exactly. We have reached out to Keuchel more than once and been turned down. Give Martin and Whitley a look before approaching this BP pitcher again |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 23, 2019 11:26:44 GMT -6
We have reached out to Keuchel more than once and been turned down. Give Martin and Whitley a look before approaching this BP pitcher again I am wondering what a 1/2 season of Bumgarner is going to cost in terms of prospects. I would be for re-signing him or Cole...but more for the now, Verlander, Cole and Bumgarner is pretty badass going into the 2019 post season. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 23, 2019 11:53:56 GMT -6
I don't think we should let a few bad games dictate a flurry of moves. James is obviously not right, but McHugh, Peacock, and Devo are not as bad as they showed the last few games. We're 1.5 games out of first place despite a very inconsistent start to the season. We're hitting great and it's not even a full month into the season.
There are probably some changes we need to make in the next few weeks, but we're not a desperate team that needs to overhaul the current MLB team.
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 23, 2019 13:07:19 GMT -6
I don't think we should let a few bad games dictate a flurry of moves. James is obviously not right, but McHugh, Peacock, and Devo are not as bad as they showed the last few games. We're 1.5 games out of first place despite a very inconsistent start to the season. We're hitting great and it's not even a full month into the season. There are probably some changes we need to make in the next few weeks, but we're not a desperate team that needs to overhaul the current MLB team. We don’t have to worry about Devenski. He has his lion tattoo after all. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 23, 2019 13:10:44 GMT -6
Eventually, we're going to have to acknowledge that Devinksi's poor production is no longer relegated to "the last few games", might actually be who he is as a pitcher.
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 13:11:36 GMT -6
We have reached out to Keuchel more than once and been turned down. Give Martin and Whitley a look before approaching this BP pitcher again I am wondering what a 1/2 season of Bumgarner is going to cost in terms of prospects. I would be for re-signing him or Cole...but more for the now, Verlander, Cole and Bumgarner is pretty badass going into the 2019 post season. Bumgarner would probably cost more than we want to give up, but, he would be a great addition. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 23, 2019 13:14:50 GMT -6
I am wondering what a 1/2 season of Bumgarner is going to cost in terms of prospects. I would be for re-signing him or Cole...but more for the now, Verlander, Cole and Bumgarner is pretty badass going into the 2019 post season. Bumgarner would probably cost more than we want to give up, but, he would be a great addition. If somehow they could trade for him, and offer him an extension, it might be worth it I am guessing Bukuakas, Armenteros and Dawson. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 13:15:16 GMT -6
I don't think we should let a few bad games dictate a flurry of moves. James is obviously not right, but McHugh, Peacock, and Devo are not as bad as they showed the last few games. We're 1.5 games out of first place despite a very inconsistent start to the season. We're hitting great and it's not even a full month into the season. There are probably some changes we need to make in the next few weeks, but we're not a desperate team that needs to overhaul the current MLB team. James is definitely not right,but, Devenski has been inconsistent and mostly bad since the middle of 2017. I am not convinced that the Rangers didn't use cameras to steal signs |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 13:16:28 GMT -6
Bumgarner would probably cost more than we want to give up, but, he would be a great addition. If somehow they could trade for him, and offer him an extension, it might be worth it I am guessing Bukuakas, Armenteros and Dawson. that might work. It would be hard to extend both him and Cole |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 13:17:03 GMT -6
Eventually, we're going to have to acknowledge that Devinksi's poor production is no longer relegated to "the last few games", might actually be who he is as a pitcher. precisely |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 23, 2019 13:17:35 GMT -6
If somehow they could trade for him, and offer him an extension, it might be worth it I am guessing Bukuakas, Armenteros and Dawson. that might work. It would be hard to extend both him and Cole I would be happy with either one. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 23, 2019 13:23:47 GMT -6
Eventually, we're going to have to acknowledge that Devinksi's poor production is no longer relegated to "the last few games", might actually be who he is as a pitcher. He had a 2.35 ERA going into last night. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 23, 2019 14:32:14 GMT -6
Eventually, we're going to have to acknowledge that Devinksi's poor production is no longer relegated to "the last few games", might actually be who he is as a pitcher. He had a 2.35 ERA going into last night. Over how many innings? Beginning of season anomaly. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 23, 2019 14:42:28 GMT -6
if the Astros trade for MadBum, they will have to pay the remainder of his 2019 salary, which I believe is around $9M for the whole year. So if it's a late July trade, then around $4M or if early, maybe up to $7M.
the fact that the Astros are only getting a few months of MadBum would certainly help limit the cost in prospects, but it will probably still sting a little bit.
Nice deal for SF, though, if they can get one or two guys who will be solid contributors for the next 4-6 years and only have to pay them league minimum this year.
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Post by Saint on Apr 23, 2019 15:43:33 GMT -6
He had a 2.35 ERA going into last night. Over how many innings? Beginning of season anomaly. So what's the anomaly in 2018? The 2.33 ERA in 38.2 innings before he had health issues, or the 12.46 ERA in 8.2 innings when he tried to come back? People are giving up on him because of 8.2 innings last year and then a HR last night. Because outside of that 9.2 total innings pitched, he's been at a 2.34 ERA since the beginning of 2018, and a collective 2.38 ERA for 2016 and 2017. So...outside of the time he was having health issues and last night's HR, he has pretty consistently been in the 2.30's ERA-wise for his career. I'm sure I'll get criticized if he continues to suck, which is fine, but let's be honest about the real anomalies in his performance. Because overall for his career in 4 seasons he is an excellent pitcher when healthy. If we had another reliever ready to go it might be one thing...but our next best guy is who? Guduan? Relievers are going to have bad outings. Harris will give up a run soon and then everybody will be all over his nuts again too. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 23, 2019 16:06:13 GMT -6
If he doesn’t continue to suck, he will be supported. Every fan here hopes he doesn’t continue to suck. However, with relievers, a few bad innings can have horrible repercussions despite any good stats he may bring into the bad innings.
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 16:42:12 GMT -6
right now, Devenski and James both suck. I think James is still injured to a degree
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 23, 2019 18:07:39 GMT -6
Bumgarner would probably cost more than we want to give up, but, he would be a great addition. If somehow they could trade for him, and offer him an extension, it might be worth it I am guessing Bukuakas, Armenteros and Dawson. I’d be hesitant to offer more than one older pitcher an extension. We can’t forget about Whitley. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 23, 2019 18:37:01 GMT -6
If he doesn’t continue to suck, he will be supported. Every fan here hopes he doesn’t continue to suck. However, with relievers, a few bad innings can have horrible repercussions despite any good stats he may bring into the bad innings. I'll worry about Devrnski this year when he isn't an above average pitcher. Even with his bad outing yesterday his ERA+ is better than average. Unlike Cole... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 23, 2019 22:21:00 GMT -6
If he doesn’t continue to suck, he will be supported. Every fan here hopes he doesn’t continue to suck. However, with relievers, a few bad innings can have horrible repercussions despite any good stats he may bring into the bad innings. I'll worry about Devrnski this year when he isn't an above average pitcher. Even with his bad outing yesterday his ERA+ is better than average. Unlike Cole... You highly over-rate Devenski. He is mediocre at best. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2019 7:33:15 GMT -6
I'll worry about Devrnski this year when he isn't an above average pitcher. Even with his bad outing yesterday his ERA+ is better than average. Unlike Cole... You highly over-rate Devenski. He is mediocre at best. No, I just don't hold a rough 8.2 innings against him. You highly over-rate Marisnick... He's a mediocre bench player at best. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2019 9:08:35 GMT -6
You highly over-rate Devenski. He is mediocre at best. No, I just don't hold a rough 8.2 innings against him. You highly over-rate Marisnick... He's a mediocre bench player at best. And he’s a terrible bunter. He basically handed them a free out at home plate yesterday, but Duffey decided to go for the double play instead (inexplicably with no one out yet) and threw an errant one-hopper to the infielder, which bailed Jake out big time. |
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