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Post by batman007 on Jul 8, 2019 4:17:56 GMT -6
Yadier Molina says on his instagram:
I thought he was old school, unwritten rules, tough.
Looking at the replay, I believe Marisnick did make a last second choice based on the way Lucroy was going. Lucroy was set up on the inside, then appeared to be going to the outside, and that's when Marisnick pushed off with his right foot to go inside.
I'm curious what Lucroy will have to say about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 5:42:52 GMT -6
I don’t even understand how Marisnick could have attempted a slide. He probably would have hurt himself if he attempted to slide. Lucroy was blocking the entire plate and left no route to slide without leaving the base path. I’m very sympathetic towards what happened to Lucroy. It was a very unfortunate play both ways in my opinion. I don’t think some sort of collision could have been avoided.
I love baseball, but the rules of the game are getting ridiculous.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 8, 2019 7:14:44 GMT -6
Molina's musical-note neck tattoo must not shield him from real baseball plays.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 7:18:32 GMT -6
I think Marisnick will be suspended, but the run should’ve scored regardless.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 8, 2019 7:20:25 GMT -6
I agree that he intentionally shouldered him. I don't agree that it should be against the rules.
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2019 7:56:53 GMT -6
Molina has always been an emotional headcase.
And overrated.
Where they ended up doesn't matter. What matters is where they and the ball were when Marisnick made his split-second decision. When he moves to the inside, Lucroy is several feet up the line from home plate, in the running lane, without the ball.
Marisnick moves to the inside FIRST to try and get around Lucroy. Lucroy then moves inside SECOND to try and stop Marisnick before he has possession of the ball.
If Lucroy doesn't have the ball, he shouldn't be in the baseline impeding the runner.
I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but you can't fault the runner in this scenario. I'm not saying you have to necessarily fault the catcher...but you can't fault the runner in that moment. I know I'm not the only person here that used to be a catcher as a kid, and I don't know of a catcher that didn't love plays at the plate. But if I didn't have a play to make, I got the f*ck out of the way.
P.S. And if sports are too dangerous for you, don't f*cking play sports. Jesus. They get paid millions and have great insurance and healthcare. Injuries happen.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 8:45:43 GMT -6
Molina has always been an emotional headcase. And overrated. Where they ended up doesn't matter. What matters is where they and the ball were when Marisnick made his split-second decision. When he moves to the inside, Lucroy is several feet up the line from home plate, in the running lane, without the ball. Marisnick moves to the inside FIRST to try and get around Lucroy. Lucroy then moves inside SECOND to try and stop Marisnick before he has possession of the ball. If Lucroy doesn't have the ball, he shouldn't be in the baseline impeding the runner. I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but you can't fault the runner in this scenario. I'm not saying you have to necessarily fault the catcher...but you can't fault the runner in that moment. I know I'm not the only person here that used to be a catcher as a kid, and I don't know of a catcher that didn't love plays at the plate. But if I didn't have a play to make, I got the f*ck out of the way. P.S. And if sports are too dangerous for you, don't f*cking play sports. Jesus. They get paid millions and have great insurance and healthcare. Injuries happen. ***** Agreed 100%. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 8:48:05 GMT -6
The Marisnick scenario would’ve been completely different if Lucroy had the ball and was waiting, but once again, Marisnick was making a baseball play and unintentionally injured the catcher. You can’t fault anyone for the split second decision to try and pry the ball loose. Are they supposed to just let outs happen now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 8:58:04 GMT -6
Yadier Molina says on his instagram: I thought he was old school, unwritten rules, tough. Looking at the replay, I believe Marisnick did make a last second choice based on the way Lucroy was going. Lucroy was set up on the inside, then appeared to be going to the outside, and that's when Marisnick pushed off with his right foot to go inside. I'm curious what Lucroy will have to say about it. Molina? You mean the Molina from the cardinals, the team that invented cybercheating in MLB? Color me shocked. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 9:00:42 GMT -6
I’ll take Molina more seriously when he stops getting his eyebrows done.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 9:02:26 GMT -6
Was this a bad play?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 9:05:28 GMT -6
The Marisnick scenario would’ve been completely different if Lucroy had the ball and was waiting, but once again, Marisnick was making a baseball play and unintentionally injured the catcher. You can’t fault anyone for the split second decision to try and pry the ball loose. Are they supposed to just let outs happen now? Or... paraphrased as "The Wussification of Baseball" Part 51 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 9:06:34 GMT -6
I don’t even understand how Marisnick could have attempted a slide. He probably would have hurt himself if he attempted to slide. Lucroy was blocking the entire plate and left no route to slide without leaving the base path. I’m very sympathetic towards what happened to Lucroy. It was a very unfortunate play both ways in my opinion. I don’t think some sort of collision could have been avoided. I love baseball, but the rules of the game are getting ridiculous. Exactly. Just what is a baserunners recourse if the Catcher is completely blocking the plate? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 9:08:40 GMT -6
I don’t even understand how Marisnick could have attempted a slide. He probably would have hurt himself if he attempted to slide. Lucroy was blocking the entire plate and left no route to slide without leaving the base path. I’m very sympathetic towards what happened to Lucroy. It was a very unfortunate play both ways in my opinion. I don’t think some sort of collision could have been avoided. I love baseball, but the rules of the game are getting ridiculous. Exactly. Just what is a baserunners recourse if the Catcher is completely blocking the plate? The rules of Cousins vs. Posey and Utley vs. Tejada are worse for the sport. You can’t take away contact from the sport and deny the fact that the game swings heavily in favor of the fielders. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 9:15:04 GMT -6
Molina has always been an emotional headcase. And overrated. Where they ended up doesn't matter. What matters is where they and the ball were when Marisnick made his split-second decision. When he moves to the inside, Lucroy is several feet up the line from home plate, in the running lane, without the ball. Marisnick moves to the inside FIRST to try and get around Lucroy. Lucroy then moves inside SECOND to try and stop Marisnick before he has possession of the ball. If Lucroy doesn't have the ball, he shouldn't be in the baseline impeding the runner. I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but you can't fault the runner in this scenario. I'm not saying you have to necessarily fault the catcher...but you can't fault the runner in that moment. I know I'm not the only person here that used to be a catcher as a kid, and I don't know of a catcher that didn't love plays at the plate. But if I didn't have a play to make, I got the f*ck out of the way. P.S. And if sports are too dangerous for you, don't f*cking play sports. Jesus. They get paid millions and have great insurance and healthcare. Injuries happen. If you only look at what Marisnick did it is easy to draw a conclusion that he went head hunting. Hell my grandson is a safety trying to get a scholarship to A&M and he said textbook form for tackling. Somebody on this site said Marisnick missed his calling and should of played football or something to that effect. Having said that if you watch what Lucroy does on the play and I have now from several angles, he was dropping down with full knowledge that impact was coming and his intent was to block the plate without possession of the ball. Hell it almost looks like the ball hit Marisnick versus Lucroy catching it. So both guys were wrong and both guys violated the rules. I still think that Marisnick gets suspended but I no longer think the shot was cheap. Both guys just reverted to old time baseball there. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 8, 2019 9:55:33 GMT -6
The Marisnick scenario would’ve been completely different if Lucroy had the ball and was waiting, but once again, Marisnick was making a baseball play and unintentionally injured the catcher. You can’t fault anyone for the split second decision to try and pry the ball loose. Are they supposed to just let outs happen now? Lucroy did not have the ball and moved into Jake's path. No way is a suspension warranted. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2019 9:57:05 GMT -6
Molina has always been an emotional headcase. And overrated. Where they ended up doesn't matter. What matters is where they and the ball were when Marisnick made his split-second decision. When he moves to the inside, Lucroy is several feet up the line from home plate, in the running lane, without the ball. Marisnick moves to the inside FIRST to try and get around Lucroy. Lucroy then moves inside SECOND to try and stop Marisnick before he has possession of the ball. If Lucroy doesn't have the ball, he shouldn't be in the baseline impeding the runner. I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but you can't fault the runner in this scenario. I'm not saying you have to necessarily fault the catcher...but you can't fault the runner in that moment. I know I'm not the only person here that used to be a catcher as a kid, and I don't know of a catcher that didn't love plays at the plate. But if I didn't have a play to make, I got the f*ck out of the way. P.S. And if sports are too dangerous for you, don't f*cking play sports. Jesus. They get paid millions and have great insurance and healthcare. Injuries happen. If you only look at what Marisnick did it is easy to draw a conclusion that he went head hunting. Hell my grandson is a safety trying to get a scholarship to A&M and he said textbook form for tackling. Somebody on this site said Marisnick missed his calling and should of played football or something to that effect. Having said that if you watch what Lucroy does on the play and I have now from several angles, he was dropping down with full knowledge that impact was coming and his intent was to block the plate without possession of the ball. Hell it almost looks like the ball hit Marisnick versus Lucroy catching it. So both guys were wrong and both guys violated the rules. I still think that Marisnick gets suspended but I no longer think the shot was cheap. Both guys just reverted to old time baseball there. A. I don't see how Jake violated anything. B. But, if he did...It's a dumb rule that is being enforced based on emotional responses, not actual baseball play. If Lucroy had stood right up and Jake had come up limping, I doubt it would have even been overturned. Jake has three choices at that split second. Go left, go right, or slide 5 feet away from getting to homeplate and being tagged out even though the catcher doesn't have the ball yet. He chose left based on what he thought his best option was, and there is no history in his career to suggest it was anything else. Does anybody think that Jake wanted to risk an injury to himself or Lucroy in the last game before the all-star break when we're up 7.5 games up in the division? In the end, if they're that concerned, they should make everybody slide at homeplate all the time, period. And the catcher can't be in the baseline without the ball, ever, period. No confusion. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 10:23:53 GMT -6
If you only look at what Marisnick did it is easy to draw a conclusion that he went head hunting. Hell my grandson is a safety trying to get a scholarship to A&M and he said textbook form for tackling. Somebody on this site said Marisnick missed his calling and should of played football or something to that effect. Having said that if you watch what Lucroy does on the play and I have now from several angles, he was dropping down with full knowledge that impact was coming and his intent was to block the plate without possession of the ball. Hell it almost looks like the ball hit Marisnick versus Lucroy catching it. So both guys were wrong and both guys violated the rules. I still think that Marisnick gets suspended but I no longer think the shot was cheap. Both guys just reverted to old time baseball there. A. I don't see how Jake violated anything. B. But, if he did...It's a dumb rule that is being enforced based on emotional responses, not actual baseball play. If Lucroy had stood right up and Jake had come up limping, I doubt it would have even been overturned. Jake has three choices at that split second. Go left, go right, or slide 5 feet away from getting to homeplate and being tagged out even though the catcher doesn't have the ball yet. He chose left based on what he thought his best option was, and there is no history in his career to suggest it was anything else. Does anybody think that Jake wanted to risk an injury to himself or Lucroy in the last game before the all-star break when we're up 7.5 games up in the division? In the end, if they're that concerned, they should make everybody slide at homeplate all the time, period. And the catcher can't be in the baseline without the ball, ever, period. No confusion. Marisnick violated the rules because he altered course Lucroy violated the rules because he blocked the plate without possession of the ball. If Marisnick does not deviate from his path he would of been called safe by rule even if he never touched the plate because Lucroy blocked the plate without the ball. Now having said that I do not think that I would of just ran through his leg because then I am going flying, if I drop my shoulder into is leg then I most likely bust my shoulder and break Lucroy's leg. If I slide feet first I never make it to the plate. Bottom line, we won and Marisnick gets suspended and Lucroy goes on concussion protocol. More interesting questions are what happens when the Astros play the Angels later this month and what happens when the Astros play the Cardinals. Expect some fireworks. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 10:46:57 GMT -6
after looking at it one more time from another angle Lucroy misses the catch, the ball bounces off his glove, and the ball actually hits Marisnick in the neck.
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2019 10:48:31 GMT -6
A. I don't see how Jake violated anything. B. But, if he did...It's a dumb rule that is being enforced based on emotional responses, not actual baseball play. If Lucroy had stood right up and Jake had come up limping, I doubt it would have even been overturned. Jake has three choices at that split second. Go left, go right, or slide 5 feet away from getting to homeplate and being tagged out even though the catcher doesn't have the ball yet. He chose left based on what he thought his best option was, and there is no history in his career to suggest it was anything else. Does anybody think that Jake wanted to risk an injury to himself or Lucroy in the last game before the all-star break when we're up 7.5 games up in the division? In the end, if they're that concerned, they should make everybody slide at homeplate all the time, period. And the catcher can't be in the baseline without the ball, ever, period. No confusion. Marisnick violated the rules because he altered course Lucroy violated the rules because he blocked the plate without possession of the ball. If Marisnick does not deviate from his path he would of been called safe by rule even if he never touched the plate because Lucroy blocked the plate without the ball. Now having said that I do not think that I would of just ran through his leg because then I am going flying, if I drop my shoulder into is leg then I most likely bust my shoulder and break Lucroy's leg. If I slide feet first I never make it to the plate. Bottom line, we won and Marisnick gets suspended and Lucroy goes on concussion protocol. More interesting questions are what happens when the Astros play the Angels later this month and what happens when the Astros play the Cardinals. Expect some fireworks. I'd be okay with some drama, but the Angels players didn't seem upset and Yadi will probably cry about something else by then. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 8, 2019 11:16:09 GMT -6
A. I don't see how Jake violated anything. B. But, if he did...It's a dumb rule that is being enforced based on emotional responses, not actual baseball play. If Lucroy had stood right up and Jake had come up limping, I doubt it would have even been overturned. Jake has three choices at that split second. Go left, go right, or slide 5 feet away from getting to homeplate and being tagged out even though the catcher doesn't have the ball yet. He chose left based on what he thought his best option was, and there is no history in his career to suggest it was anything else. Does anybody think that Jake wanted to risk an injury to himself or Lucroy in the last game before the all-star break when we're up 7.5 games up in the division? In the end, if they're that concerned, they should make everybody slide at homeplate all the time, period. And the catcher can't be in the baseline without the ball, ever, period. No confusion. Marisnick violated the rules because he altered course Lucroy violated the rules because he blocked the plate without possession of the ball. If Marisnick does not deviate from his path he would of been called safe by rule even if he never touched the plate because Lucroy blocked the plate without the ball. Now having said that I do not think that I would of just ran through his leg because then I am going flying, if I drop my shoulder into is leg then I most likely bust my shoulder and break Lucroy's leg. If I slide feet first I never make it to the plate. Bottom line, we won and Marisnick gets suspended and Lucroy goes on concussion protocol. More interesting questions are what happens when the Astros play the Angels later this month and what happens when the Astros play the Cardinals. Expect some fireworks. Marisnick violated NO rule because Lucroy moved into his path to home plate WITHOUT POSSESSION OF THE BALL. The run should hzve scored......umpires incorrectly reversed the call. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 11:16:43 GMT -6
Marisnick violated the rules because he altered course Lucroy violated the rules because he blocked the plate without possession of the ball. If Marisnick does not deviate from his path he would of been called safe by rule even if he never touched the plate because Lucroy blocked the plate without the ball. Now having said that I do not think that I would of just ran through his leg because then I am going flying, if I drop my shoulder into is leg then I most likely bust my shoulder and break Lucroy's leg. If I slide feet first I never make it to the plate. Bottom line, we won and Marisnick gets suspended and Lucroy goes on concussion protocol. More interesting questions are what happens when the Astros play the Angels later this month and what happens when the Astros play the Cardinals. Expect some fireworks. I'd be okay with some drama, but the Angels players didn't seem upset and Yadi will probably cry about something else by then. watch what happens when Marisnick gets buzzed with a little chin music. Must see TV |
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 11:21:35 GMT -6
Marisnick violated the rules because he altered course Lucroy violated the rules because he blocked the plate without possession of the ball. If Marisnick does not deviate from his path he would of been called safe by rule even if he never touched the plate because Lucroy blocked the plate without the ball. Now having said that I do not think that I would of just ran through his leg because then I am going flying, if I drop my shoulder into is leg then I most likely bust my shoulder and break Lucroy's leg. If I slide feet first I never make it to the plate. Bottom line, we won and Marisnick gets suspended and Lucroy goes on concussion protocol. More interesting questions are what happens when the Astros play the Angels later this month and what happens when the Astros play the Cardinals. Expect some fireworks. Marisnick violated NO rule because Lucroy moved into his path to home plate WITHOUT POSSESSION OF THE BALL. The run should hzve scored......umpires incorrectly reversed the call. read the rule, Marisnick violated the rule. You may not like it but none the less it is still true. You are right though Lucroy did as well. There is no provision in the rule that says one is ok if the other happens first and furthermore how do you go about ruling on a players intent. You can not, you can only rule on actions. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 8, 2019 11:54:07 GMT -6
We can all agree that Marisnick veered toward Lucroy and that Lucroy blocked without possession. Suspending Marisnick would be fine if not for too long. I just dislike the rule. People are acting like Jake had no skin in the game. He put himself at risk too.
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2019 12:02:33 GMT -6
We can all agree that Marisnick veered toward Lucroy and that Lucroy blocked without possession. Suspending Marisnick would be fine if not for too long. I just dislike the rule. People are acting like Jake had no skin in the game. He put himself at risk too. our society plays the victim/villian game because the progressives own the media. So Lucroy is the victim and Marisnick is the villian |
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2019 12:23:42 GMT -6
We can all agree that Marisnick veered toward Lucroy and that Lucroy blocked without possession. Suspending Marisnick would be fine if not for too long. I just dislike the rule. People are acting like Jake had no skin in the game. He put himself at risk too. Except I do not believe that Marisnick PURPOSEFULLY veered toward Lucroy. I'm not sure how he could when he moved to the side first. |
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 8, 2019 12:28:51 GMT -6
We can all agree that Marisnick veered toward Lucroy and that Lucroy blocked without possession. Suspending Marisnick would be fine if not for too long. I just dislike the rule. People are acting like Jake had no skin in the game. He put himself at risk too. Suspension for Jake is not fine. What the hell was he supposed to do? Split second decisions were made by both parties. This is a man's game. If you can't man-up, then get off the field. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 8, 2019 13:13:53 GMT -6
Did y'all see where Molina told Correa to "shit in his mother's mouth"?
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2019 13:26:43 GMT -6
Did y'all see where Molina told Correa to "shit in his mother's mouth"? Seriously? That seems excessive.... That'll make interesting international events for the Puerto Rican team. |
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Did y'all see where Molina told Correa to "shit in his mother's mouth"? In what context? |
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