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Post by bearbryant on Aug 6, 2019 16:36:43 GMT -6
laurels from the national media upon our crown are more frequent since we became the gold-standard of baseball organizations, but some would disagree just to finish that point 
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 6, 2019 16:46:00 GMT -6
Astros fans have a long history of being perpetually butt-hurt. For evidence, see the frequent complaints about how the sports media "hates us". ***** PREACH |
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Post by batman007 on Aug 6, 2019 17:24:00 GMT -6
Caminiti? Daryl Kyle? Luis Gonzalez? Shawn Chacon?  ? |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 6, 2019 17:26:08 GMT -6
Orbit
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Post by marshall on Aug 7, 2019 5:02:41 GMT -6
Before we duplicate names already in the HOF, let's be reminded of those already in it from the inaugural class.
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Bob Aspromonte
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Jose Cruz
Larry Dierker
Gene Elston Broadcaster
Milo Hamilton Broadcaster
Joe Morgan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 6:14:32 GMT -6
Before we duplicate names already in the HOF, let's be reminded of those already in it from the inaugural class. 2019 Bob AspromonteJeff BagwellCraig BiggioJose CruzLarry DierkerGene Elston Broadcaster Milo Hamilton Broadcaster Joe MorganJoe NiekroShane ReynoldsJ. R. RichardsNolan RyanMike ScottJim UmbrichtDon WilsoJimmy WynnI refuse to recognize Hamilton as a HOF worthy member. |
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Post by marshall on Aug 7, 2019 6:20:30 GMT -6
Before we duplicate names already in the HOF, let's be reminded of those already in it from the inaugural class. 2019 Bob AspromonteJeff BagwellCraig BiggioJose CruzLarry DierkerGene Elston Broadcaster Milo Hamilton Broadcaster Joe MorganJoe NiekroShane ReynoldsJ. R. RichardsNolan RyanMike ScottJim UmbrichtDon WilsoJimmy WynnI refuse to recognize Hamilton as a HOF worthy member. Every HOF has a member or two or three who do not belong. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 7, 2019 6:52:38 GMT -6
Before we duplicate names already in the HOF, let's be reminded of those already in it from the inaugural class. 2019 Bob AspromonteJeff BagwellCraig BiggioJose CruzLarry DierkerGene Elston Broadcaster Milo Hamilton Broadcaster Joe MorganJoe NiekroShane ReynoldsJ. R. RichardsNolan RyanMike ScottJim UmbrichtDon WilsoJimmy WynnI refuse to recognize Hamilton as a HOF worthy member. I am in absolute agreement with you. I could not stand to listen to the guy. So full of himself. Never seen another person who loved to listen to his own voice ramble the way he did. The man never knew when to shut up. It got to the point that when I was listening to a game on the radio and they passed the mike off to him I would cut the radio off. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 7:06:37 GMT -6
I refuse to recognize Hamilton as a HOF worthy member. I am in absolute agreement with you. I could not stand to listen to the guy. So full of himself. Never seen another person who loved to listen to his own voice ramble the way he did. The man never knew when to shut up. It got to the point that when I was listening to a game on the radio and they passed the mike off to him I would cut the radio off. There are many reasons I despised him, and I don't care if he's dead. (1) Manner and way he displaced The "REAL" voice of the Astros Gene Elston. (2) How he treated his 1st color side kick, Dave Hofferth(?). Hamilton walked all over, interuputed, and many ways embarrassed and sabotaged this guys chance in the booth. (3) His disgusting treatment of women would get him fired with almost any employer. He took his dirty old man schtik, and a made an act out of it. How the team kept allowing him to drool over these ladies is still a mystery to me. (4) His insistence to be introduced, and even have his radio intro. blaring his HOF broadcaster status. What a f'n tool. (5) As you said his incessant rambling, blotching, and overall incompetence in the booth. His really only claim to fame (IMO) was being lucky enough to call Aaron's 715th homer. Too bad Vin Scully didn't make that call. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 7, 2019 7:28:49 GMT -6
“(4) His insistence to be introduced, and even have his radio intro. blaring his HOF broadcaster status.”
The man was totally self-absorbed. Calling baseball games was just a way to draw attention to himself.
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Post by olpapa on Aug 7, 2019 9:03:01 GMT -6
I hope they keep the class sizes small. They needed a “catch up” class to install enough voters. I don’t want to see aHOF turn into a joke where “this guy was good for 2 years so let him in”. For instance, I loved Moises Alou, but I wouldn’t ever think of him as a HOF Astro. Billy Wagner? 9 years with Houston. 225 saves, .253 ERA, 16.1 WAR |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:07:02 GMT -6
There should be a minimum # seasons spent in an Astro uni to qualify. Bob Aspromonte was an Astro/Colt-45 for 7 years. Probably shouldn't admit anyone with less than that total Billy Wagner? 9 years with Houston. 225 saves, .253 ERA, 16.1 WAR Wagner is deserving. Too bad he left the team on such bad terms. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 7, 2019 9:20:58 GMT -6
There should be a minimum # seasons spent in an Astro uni to qualify. Bob Aspromonte was an Astro/Colt-45 for 7 years. Probably shouldn't admit anyone with less than that total Billy Wagner? 9 years with Houston. 225 saves, .253 ERA, 16.1 WAR Yes, Billy should be on that list. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 7, 2019 9:22:05 GMT -6
Billy Wagner? 9 years with Houston. 225 saves, .253 ERA, 16.1 WAR Wagner is deserving. Too bad he left the team on such bad terms. He was voiced what all players and fans were thinking/saying amongst themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -6
Wagner is deserving. Too bad he left the team on such bad terms. He was voiced what all players and fans were thinking/saying amongst themselves. That's true. Still, it happened, and as far as i know, that anamosity has not left |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 7, 2019 9:29:04 GMT -6
He was voiced what all players and fans were thinking/saying amongst themselves. That's true. Still, it happened, and as far as i know, that anamosity has not left I hope it would, different regime. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 7, 2019 10:20:22 GMT -6
We can’t retire the ‘00’. They’ve got too many numbers in the rafters. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 7, 2019 10:28:21 GMT -6
He was voiced what all players and fans were thinking/saying amongst themselves. That's true. Still, it happened, and as far as i know, that anamosity has not left You can only hear “champyuns” this and that so many times before you snap. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 10:43:45 GMT -6
That's true. Still, it happened, and as far as i know, that anamosity has not left You can only hear “champyuns” this and that so many times before you snap. In case anyone wants to print a copy for "darts" practice.   |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 12, 2019 18:26:44 GMT -6
Billy Wagner? 9 years with Houston. 225 saves, .253 ERA, 16.1 WAR Wagner is deserving. Too bad he left the team on such bad terms. Ok Tx. Here is a guy for HOF consideration that a lot of the folks on the board probably never saw play. Bill Doran. He played 9 years for the Astros and posted a 30.5 WAR over those 9 years. For comparison, Joe Morgan played 10 years for the Astros and posted a 30.7 WAR over those 10 years. We are talking about the ASTROS HOF now so I would think that a player’s accomplishments as an Astro should be what determines whether or not he makes the Astros’ HOF. Morgan is in. So do you think Doran is Astros HOF worthy? |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 12, 2019 18:27:17 GMT -6
Bill Doran in 1986 NLCS:
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Post by olpapa on Aug 12, 2019 18:51:33 GMT -6
Another video of Bill Doran:
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Post by olpapa on Aug 12, 2019 19:34:35 GMT -6
Bill Doran was without a doubt the best glove man the Astros have ever had at 2B.
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Post by marshall on Aug 13, 2019 2:30:09 GMT -6
There should be a place for HoF worthy moments/seasons by players without sufficient creds to be HOF for a career. There is always a bias toward those players for undeserved induction because of those moments/seasons. AKA Carlos Beltran. Dickie Thon, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens.
My minimum would be 7 seasons and 15 WAR and not everyone with the minimum should make it.
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2019 7:18:04 GMT -6
There should be a place for HoF worthy moments/seasons by players without sufficient creds to be HOF for a career. There is always a bias toward those players for undeserved induction because of those moments/seasons. AKA Carlos Beltran. Dickie Thon, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens.
My minimum would be 7 seasons and 15 WAR and not everyone with the minimum should make it.
I agree. Would you consider Bob Lillis to be Astros HOF worthy? His numbers as a player were nothing to write home about... he was already 32 years old when he became one of the original Colt 45s in 1962..., but he spent 24 consecutive years with the organization as a player (6 years), manager (3+ years), scout and player development (5 years) and coach (11 years). Would you think that his longevity in the organization and the fact that he survived/persevered through the early years (surviving the Spec Richardson era should earn him a lot of points) would make him Astros HOF worthy? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 13, 2019 7:40:15 GMT -6
Wagner, Berkman, Oswalt for sure.
Doarn and Davis aren't bad choices.
edit: Sambito?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 13, 2019 8:38:46 GMT -6
was Scrap Iron inducted this time? If not, should he be considered? Long time astros player and manager of our first WS team
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2019 9:06:42 GMT -6
was Scrap Iron inducted this time? If not, should he be considered? Long time astros player and manager of our first WS team He did not go in this time but definitely needs consideration. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 13, 2019 10:19:09 GMT -6
There should be a place for HoF worthy moments/seasons by players without sufficient creds to be HOF for a career. There is always a bias toward those players for undeserved induction because of those moments/seasons. AKA Carlos Beltran. Dickie Thon, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens.
My minimum would be 7 seasons and 15 WAR and not everyone with the minimum should make it.
I agree. Would you consider Bob Lillis to be Astros HOF worthy? His numbers as a player were nothing to write home about... he was already 32 years old when he became one of the original Colt 45s in 1962..., but he spent 24 consecutive years with the organization as a player (6 years), manager (3+ years), scout and player development (5 years) and coach (11 years). Would you think that his longevity in the organization and the fact that he survived/persevered through the early years (surviving the Spec Richardson era should earn him a lot of points) would make him Astros HOF worthy? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 13, 2019 10:39:03 GMT -6
Art Howe and Glenn Davis?
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