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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 12:36:41 GMT -6
I hate cake and eat it too speeches....
Without hamstringing our flexibility as an organization, I just can't see how the numbers work. Keeping the tandem of JV-Cole-Greinke would be a minor miracle.
So, say this happens.... Outside of Correa, what salary do we jettison?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -6
gotta be either yuli or reddick, along with Jork
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 2, 2019 13:42:04 GMT -6
gotta be either yuli or reddick, along with Jork Trade Reddick and Jake. Keep Yuli. We have replacements for Reddick and Jake......Tucker and Straw. What would deferring some of Cole's money to the balance tax? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 13:44:49 GMT -6
gotta be either yuli or reddick, along with Jork Trade Reddick and Jake. Keep Yuli. We have replacements for Reddick and Jake......Tucker and Straw. What would deferring some of Cole's money to the balance tax? I think it's the avg of the contract. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -6
gotta be either yuli or reddick, along with Jork Trade Reddick and Jake. Keep Yuli. We have replacements for Reddick and Jake......Tucker and Straw. What would deferring some of Cole's money to the balance tax? Deferring doesn't work, because it's based on Average Annual Value. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 13:47:56 GMT -6
Jv
Greinke
McCullers
Whitley
Sanchez/Urquidy/James
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 2, 2019 14:20:48 GMT -6
Jv Greinke McCullers Whitley Sanchez/Urquidy/James If we can't sign Cole, there are other free agent pitchers we could go after. Wheeler and Odorizzi are both free agents. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 14:21:31 GMT -6
Jv Greinke McCullers Whitley Sanchez/Urquidy/James If we can't sign Cole, there are other free agent pitchers we could go after. Bumgarner? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 2, 2019 14:29:49 GMT -6
If we can't sign Cole, there are other free agent pitchers we could go after. Bumgarner? I can't see him leaving SF,but, he could be an option along with Odorizzi and Wheeler among others. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 2, 2019 14:36:19 GMT -6
gotta be either yuli or reddick, along with Jork Or all of the above. On the plus side, Yuli actually has trade value after the season he just had. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 2, 2019 14:38:15 GMT -6
It also doesn't work especially if you want Springer extended as well.
I've said from the beginning I don't think they work out a way to keep Cole. That's part of the reason we traded for ZG, imo.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 14:39:28 GMT -6
I can't see him leaving SF,but, he could be an option along with Odorizzi and Wheeler among others. Pass on Odorizzi. Nathangarza will probably keep us up to date on the rumors as soon as the season is over. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 14:41:27 GMT -6
I wonder if the payroll limits are being discussed in the new union agreement being worked on. They need to get rid of any limits.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -6
I wonder if the payroll limits are being discussed in the new union agreement being worked on. They need to get rid of any limits. Without the cap, how can the small market teams ever compete? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 2, 2019 14:55:43 GMT -6
If small market teams aren't willing to spend more money to compete, they probably shouldn't have teams. Teams that never try to really take the next step forward (ex. Pittsburgh) shouldn't be allowed to keep tanking forever. The Astros tanked for a few years during the rebuilding process but as soon as they started getting good, our ownership started investing more. The Pirates had a chance to take the next step forward a few years back and never did.
I believe there should be an increased cap at like $250 million for the next decade or so, and then a minimum salary cap at $75-90 million.
Make it so that even rebuilding teams need to be bringing in some solid veterans to try and stay competitive (or pay their young controllable players better). If they don't reach the minimum salary cap, they lose out on draft picks. It hurts the game to see so many teams either amazing or horrible, and it's unfair to the fans. $75 million isn't unreasonable, but you've got 5 teams below that this year. All of them horrible except for Tampa Bay.
And instead of paying a luxury tax for surpassing the maximum cap, they lose out on draft picks as well. All of the teams no the benefit of draft picks so there is incentive for them to stay competitive but also not go out and buy all of the all-star free agents. However, if a team wants to hold on to their core players (like us) they have that option to pay and keep them without paying even more money on top of it. We just wouldn't get to draft as many or as high of prospects.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 14:57:58 GMT -6
If small market teams aren't willing to spend more money to compete, they probably shouldn't have teams. Teams that never try to really take the next step forward (ex. Pittsburgh) shouldn't be allowed to keep tanking forever. The Astros tanked for a few years during the rebuilding process but as soon as they started getting good, our ownership started investing more. The Pirates had a chance to take the next step forward a few years back and never did. I believe there should be an increased cap at like $250 million for the next decade or so, and then a minimum salary cap at $75-90 million. Make it so that even rebuilding teams need to be bringing in some solid veterans to try and stay competitive (or pay their young controllable players better). If they don't reach the minimum salary cap, they lose out on draft picks. It hurts the game to see so many teams either amazing or horrible, and it's unfair to the fans. $75 million isn't unreasonable, but you've got 5 teams below that this year. All of them horrible except for Tampa Bay. And instead of paying a luxury tax for surpassing the maximum cap, they lose out on draft picks as well. All of the teams no the benefit of draft picks so there is incentive for them to stay competitive but also not go out and buy all of the all-star free agents. However, if a team wants to hold on to their core players (like us) they have that option to pay and keep them without paying even more money on top of it. We just wouldn't get to draft as many or as high of prospects. I can agree with that. I just don't want teams like the Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers blowing everyone out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 2, 2019 15:14:34 GMT -6
I can't see him leaving SF,but, he could be an option along with Odorizzi and Wheeler among others. Pass on Odorizzi. Nathangarza will probably keep us up to date on the rumors as soon as the season is over. I imagine Nathan is already working on some big deals.  |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 2, 2019 15:26:27 GMT -6
It also doesn't work especially if you want Springer extended as well. I've said from the beginning I don't think they work out a way to keep Cole. That's part of the reason we traded for ZG, imo. Keeping Cole was always something they were considering, but taking on Greinke's salary dimmed the probability of it happening substantially |
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Post by m240 on Oct 2, 2019 15:26:48 GMT -6
Everybody seems to be forgetting Javier and Ivey. Javier has a solid chance at a rotation spot next year.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 16:00:01 GMT -6
I wonder if the payroll limits are being discussed in the new union agreement being worked on. They need to get rid of any limits. Without the cap, how can the small market teams ever compete? The same way they did for the 100+ years before the cap was put in. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2019 16:10:40 GMT -6
If you trade Yuli, train Yordan to be the 1B and rotate the DH. Tucker can replace Reddick. Trade Correa and Greinke to keep Cole if need be.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 2, 2019 16:26:25 GMT -6
If you trade Yuli, train Yordan to be the 1B and rotate the DH. Tucker can replace Reddick. Trade Correa and Greinke to keep Cole if need be. Greinke might be hard to trade. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 2, 2019 16:29:35 GMT -6
If you trade Yuli, train Yordan to be the 1B and rotate the DH. Tucker can replace Reddick. Trade Correa and Greinke to keep Cole if need be. Greinke might be hard to trade. Look trade Correa, Reddick, Jake... Sign Cole and keep Greinke....extend Springer next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2019 16:48:01 GMT -6
Greinke might be hard to trade. Look trade Correa, Reddick, Jake... Sign Cole and keep Greinke....extend Springer next year. Trading Greinke isn’t a must. I’m just saying that’s an option. I just can’t picture them keeping Springer or Brantley if they re-sign Cole. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:48:01 GMT -6
Pass on Odorizzi. Nathangarza will probably keep us up to date on the rumors as soon as the season is over. I imagine Nathan is already working on some big deals. Realmuto and Odorizzi confirmed! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:53:59 GMT -6
Look trade Correa, Reddick, Jake... Sign Cole and keep Greinke....extend Springer next year. Trading Greinke isn’t a must. I’m just saying that’s an option. I just can’t picture them keeping Springer or Brantley if they re-sign Cole. Priority # 1? Signing Springer for a LT deal before he declares free agency in 2021. Heart and Soul of this team. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 17:46:30 GMT -6
Springer is a must over any move.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 2, 2019 17:51:19 GMT -6
Look trade Correa, Reddick, Jake... Sign Cole and keep Greinke....extend Springer next year. Trading Greinke isn’t a must. I’m just saying that’s an option. I just can’t picture them keeping Springer or Brantley if they re-sign Cole. I can see Springer, but no on Brantley |
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