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Post by koolade2 on Oct 7, 2019 15:56:10 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. Unless the offense comes to play there will be no next series. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:00:45 GMT -6
As shown very early in the thread, I called this one. Betting against CFM is a losing proposition. |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 7, 2019 16:05:20 GMT -6
I also think them going with Verlander in Game 4 is a Panic Move. No trust in Urquidy or the offense to get it done. Very Bad in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:52:46 GMT -6
I would agree if it was 2015 and we haven't won a playoff series in awhile. But, this is deviating from the original game plan of having 4 starters.
Anything could happen in a game where the Rays use an opener and the Astros have shown they are not good at measuring up. Throwing JV out there on short rest doesn't guarantee more of a victory than having Urquidy out there.
We will win this series so why waste JV and possibly Cole on short rest?
If you're so sure we will win this series why are you so unsure about winning tomorrow with JV? And is there a difference between JV-Cole or Cole-JV in the ALCS? The difference is: Greinke game #1 and #4 and possibly #7 against the Yanks instead of Cole or JV. Also, having JV go on 3 days rest doesn't give him much time to fully rest before the Yank series either. Both Cole and JV could be spent to begin the series.
I would rather have a fully rested JV in game #5 (if it came to that) and a fully rested Cole starting game #1 of the ALCS and still have the option of Cole starting game #4 on short rest if needed.
If JV wins tomorrow then we are still good. If he doesn't then it will backfire.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 7, 2019 16:54:50 GMT -6
I have been away due to work. No computer near me. I am more worried about the Ice Cold offense that shows up more often than not. by the Way, I was on the Plane with a family traveling to Houston to see Game 1 and 2. Happen to be on the plane on the way back and they were there. They got to see two great games too Actually was in the Woodlands area both days of the game working on a Packaging Machine. Only found out the score after they were almost over. If only someone would invent a portable computer... |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 7, 2019 17:02:26 GMT -6
I have been away due to work. No computer near me. I am more worried about the Ice Cold offense that shows up more often than not. by the Way, I was on the Plane with a family traveling to Houston to see Game 1 and 2. Happen to be on the plane on the way back and they were there. They got to see two great games too Actually was in the Woodlands area both days of the game working on a Packaging Machine. Only found out the score after they were almost over. If only someone would invent a portable computer... Only Problem Smarty Pants, that in a Clean Room it isn't allowed. Hell it's hard enough to even get in with a few tools. Humidity and dust Controlled always hate that as no matter what you are making a mess when getting a new machine up and running. QC floating around just out of college with no idea real world application and how stuff works |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 17:06:30 GMT -6
Keuchel on short rest didn't even get out of the 4th inning Scherzer on short rest already allowed a run in the first inning Both of these teams have something in common (they were down 2-1 in the series) Astros are up 2-1. No need to push the panic button, but the decision has been made so we'll see how it goes.
Since 2000. Pitchers going on short rest are 20-34 ERA 4.80
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 7, 2019 17:10:04 GMT -6
I also think them going with Verlander in Game 4 is a Panic Move. No trust in Urquidy or the offense to get it done. Very Bad in my view. You and I agree on this one. It bothers me to bring back a power pitcher of JV's age on short rest. I would have gone with Urquidy, but, in either case our bats have to wake up. We have not got anything from Springer or Brantley. Tucker needs to be in for Reddick. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 7, 2019 17:16:38 GMT -6
Gang leader Molina wins it for StL
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 7, 2019 17:54:08 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. Unless the offense comes to play there will be no next series. This. We all agree that Springer is the offense’s spark plug. So far, he’s been miserable. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 7, 2019 17:56:51 GMT -6
Keuchel on short rest didn't even get out of the 4th inning Scherzer on short rest already allowed a run in the first inning Both of these teams have something in common (they were down 2-1 in the series) Astros are up 2-1. No need to push the panic button, but the decision has been made so we'll see how it goes.
Since 2000. Pitchers going on short rest are 20-34 ERA 4.80
You never know. Greinke was going on a week and a half rest and looked god-awful. Either way, we’re not advancing with Springer and Brantley not pulling their weight. Even Yordan has outperformed them and he’s a rookie. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 7, 2019 18:08:56 GMT -6
I think you play to get the series in the bag. Then worry about the next series. I agree. Old baseball proverb say: ”Never lose game by saving your best pitcher(s) for a game you may never play.” |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 18:12:34 GMT -6
I think you play to get the series in the bag. Then worry about the next series. I agree. Old baseball proverb say: ”Never lose game by saving your best pitcher(s) for a game you may never play.” Another that was lost in St. Louis yesterday... "Never put the winning run on with an intentional walk" |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 7, 2019 18:16:30 GMT -6
I agree. Old baseball proverb say: ”Never lose game by saving your best pitcher(s) for a game you may never play.” Another that was lost in St. Louis yesterday... "Never put the winning run on with an intentional walk" And it was Brian McCann. I’m sorry this isn’t the mid-2000’s. You take your chance on him swinging away. |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 7, 2019 18:18:02 GMT -6
I agree. Old baseball proverb say: ”Never lose game by saving your best pitcher(s) for a game you may never play.” Another that was lost in St. Louis yesterday... "Never put the winning run on with an intentional walk" Well at least with this one you don't have to worry about Hinch doing that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 7, 2019 18:23:53 GMT -6
Unless the offense comes to play there will be no next series. This. We all agree that Springer is the offense’s spark plug. So far, he’s been miserable. If Springer gets going, the offense clicks. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 8, 2019 8:10:53 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. If we didn’t start JV tonight and we lost both game 4 and game 5, we would have to live with the fact that we didn’t give ourselves our best shot at winning the ALDS. If the Rays beat both JV and Cole in games 4 and 5 after strumming Greinke and Co. in game 3, they deserve to be ALDS champions. If the Yankees can beat us 4 of 7 games in which JV and Cole start 6 of those games on full rest, regardless of what order we line up JV, Cole and Greinke, the Yankees deserve to be ALCS champions. Finally.., if the offense doesn’t show up soon, it won’t matter who is pitching for us in any of the remaining games. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 8:14:03 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. If we didn’t start JV tonight and we lost both game 4 and game 5, we would have to live with the fact that we didn’t give ourselves our best shot at winning the ALDS. If the Rays beat both JV and Cole in games 4 and 5 after strumming Greinke and Co. in game 3, they deserve to be ALDS champions. If the Yankees can beat us 4 of 7 games in which JV and Cole start 6 of those games on full rest, regardless of what order we line up JV, Cole and Greinke, the Yankees deserve to be ALCS champions. Finally.., if the offense doesn’t show up soon, it won’t matter who is pitching for us in any of the remaining games. I harp on the offense a lot but when the national media sits there and talks up our hitters to our Rodney Dangerfield fans, those guys better come through. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2019 8:23:29 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. If we didn’t start JV tonight and we lost both game 4 and game 5, we would have to live with the fact that we didn’t give ourselves our best shot at winning the ALDS. If the Rays beat both JV and Cole in games 4 and 5 after strumming Greinke and Co. in game 3, they deserve to be ALDS champions. If the Yankees can beat us 4 of 7 games in which JV and Cole start 6 of those games on full rest, regardless of what order we line up JV, Cole and Greinke, the Yankees deserve to be ALCS champions. Finally.., if the offense doesn’t show up soon, it won’t matter who is pitching for us in any of the remaining games. If Astros win today...the radio said Game 1, would be Saturday...Coke would start and next day, Game 2, would be Verlander... So if Verlander can dominate today, at least go 6, hopefully 7, then this was by far the best move. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 8:26:41 GMT -6
If we didn’t start JV tonight and we lost both game 4 and game 5, we would have to live with the fact that we didn’t give ourselves our best shot at winning the ALDS. If the Rays beat both JV and Cole in games 4 and 5 after strumming Greinke and Co. in game 3, they deserve to be ALDS champions. If the Yankees can beat us 4 of 7 games in which JV and Cole start 6 of those games on full rest, regardless of what order we line up JV, Cole and Greinke, the Yankees deserve to be ALCS champions. Finally.., if the offense doesn’t show up soon, it won’t matter who is pitching for us in any of the remaining games. If Astros win today...the radio said Game 1, would be Saturday...Coke would start and next day, Game 2, would be Verlander... So if Verlander can dominate today, at least go 6, hopefully 7, then this was by far the best move. I want a blowout with Verlander leaving after 5 innings and 70 pitches. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 8:47:19 GMT -6
This can go one of three ways: 1. JV wins tomorrow and we go to the ALCS Cole-JV-Greinke. 2. JV loses and Cole wins Game 5. We go to the ALCS Greinke-JV-Cole. 3. JV loses and Cole loses. We bitch about what could have been and then watch them win 95+ games next year and try all of this over again, albeit probably without Cole. I'm okay with either of the first two options. If we didn’t start JV tonight and we lost both game 4 and game 5, we would have to live with the fact that we didn’t give ourselves our best shot at winning the ALDS. If the Rays beat both JV and Cole in games 4 and 5 after strumming Greinke and Co. in game 3, they deserve to be ALDS champions. If the Yankees can beat us 4 of 7 games in which JV and Cole start 6 of those games on full rest, regardless of what order we line up JV, Cole and Greinke, the Yankees deserve to be ALCS champions. Finally.., if the offense doesn’t show up soon, it won’t matter who is pitching for us in any of the remaining games. That's all exactly right. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2019 9:23:42 GMT -6
If Astros win today...the radio said Game 1, would be Saturday...Coke would start and next day, Game 2, would be Verlander... So if Verlander can dominate today, at least go 6, hopefully 7, then this was by far the best move. I want a blowout with Verlander leaving after 5 innings and 70 pitches. So do I, but I went with current theme of the hitters only amassing 3 runs ...would be nice to see them breakout....hitting with RISP |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 9:26:39 GMT -6
I want a blowout with Verlander leaving after 5 innings and 70 pitches. So do I, but I went with current theme of the hitters only amassing 3 runs ...would be nice to see them breakout....hitting with RISP They did somewhat okay in Game 1. Man, that seems like two weeks ago. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2019 9:28:17 GMT -6
So do I, but I went with current theme of the hitters only amassing 3 runs ...would be nice to see them breakout....hitting with RISP They did somewhat okay in Game 1. Man, that seems like two weeks ago. It does... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 9:33:10 GMT -6
They did somewhat okay in Game 1. Man, that seems like two weeks ago. It does... What they need is a game plan. Though the Rays are losing, they all show a concerted effort to try and get on base and hope for mistakes to hit. The Astros are generally free swinging, especially George, and are just not seeing the ball. Brantley, who arguably has the second best eye at the plate (on the team) has routinely taken hittable pitches and swung at pitches not just out of the zone but WAY out of the zone. At least Correa is finally in attack mode. They’ve got to snap out of it, and it starts with George. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2019 9:54:08 GMT -6
What they need is a game plan. Though the Rays are losing, they all show a concerted effort to try and get on base and hope for mistakes to hit. The Astros are generally free swinging, especially George, and are just not seeing the ball. Brantley, who arguably has the second best eye at the plate (on the team) has routinely taken hittable pitches and swung at pitches not just out of the zone but WAY out of the zone. At least Correa is finally in attack mode. They’ve got to snap out of it, and it starts with George. By George, I hope he has got it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 8, 2019 10:10:53 GMT -6
Saturday...Coke would start and next day |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2019 10:22:54 GMT -6
Saturday...Coke would start and next day Damn l and k keys next to each other.... |
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