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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2019 14:13:47 GMT -6
Hinch is strange at times with the Moves he makes. I still think he waits too long on pulling a Pitcher. Hinch is not (and has never been) a good manager. He's a mediocre manager gifted with an elite team. I reckon his managering for AZ is probably more representative of his skill set. I agree. I will say that he apparently has good people skills. The players really like him and that is important. He did an outstanding job deviating from the clipboard during the 2017 playoff run, but overall when it comes to employing strategy or handling a pitching staff he’s nothing special. His primary strategy is to submit a lineup and then sit, watch and wait for someone to hit a home run. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 14:16:26 GMT -6
Considering we've had a long history of managers trying to do TOO much, I'm not against a manager letting his players play. Especially when they are such good players.
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2019 14:19:10 GMT -6
Considering we've had a long history of managers trying to do TOO much, I'm not against a manager letting his players play. Especially when they are such good players. You don’t consider executing the hit and run; laying down a bunt or stealing a base to be playing? |
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Post by astrosfan34 on Oct 13, 2019 14:32:53 GMT -6
Hinch is not (and has never been) a good manager. He's a mediocre manager gifted with an elite team. I reckon his managering for AZ is probably more representative of his skill set. I agree. I will say that he apparently has good people skills. The players really like him and that is important. He did an outstanding job deviating from the clipboard during the 2017 playoff run, but overall when it comes to employing strategy or handling a pitching staff he’s nothing special. His primary strategy is to submit a lineup and then sit, watch and wait for someone to hit a home run. I agree with that assessment. I like Hinch as a person but he doesn't push things to get us going. I would have bunted Tucker over last night ( I think it was him who got on base after the Yankees scored at the top of the inning). |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 14:52:42 GMT -6
Considering we've had a long history of managers trying to do TOO much, I'm not against a manager letting his players play. Especially when they are such good players. You don’t consider executing the hit and run; laying down a bunt or stealing a base to be playing? Sure, but that's less and less the way baseball is played now. That's not a Hinch thing. Nobody does much of that anymore. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2019 14:56:09 GMT -6
You don’t consider executing the hit and run; laying down a bunt or stealing a base to be playing? Sure, but that's less and less the way baseball is played now. That's not a Hinch thing. Nobody does much of that anymore. Doesn’t mean those strategies are bad baseball just because more managers are employing beer league softball strategy in baseball. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2019 15:10:30 GMT -6
I kind of feel about Hinch the same way I feel about Strom. Everyone talks about how great and wizardly they are, but I doubt they'd be that great if they were in the same roles on the Miami Marlins team. It's easy to look good as a pitching coach when you have JV, Cole and Greinke as your top 3. Same for Manager. ***** Amen. I think Strom is praised way higher than Hinch, though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2019 15:11:55 GMT -6
You don’t consider executing the hit and run; laying down a bunt or stealing a base to be playing? Sure, but that's less and less the way baseball is played now. That's not a Hinch thing. Nobody does much of that anymore. I think that’s lazy baseball, to just play into pitchers and defenders and hope for the best. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 15:17:07 GMT -6
Sure, but that's less and less the way baseball is played now. That's not a Hinch thing. Nobody does much of that anymore. Doesn’t mean those strategies are bad baseball just because more managers are employing beer league softball strategy in baseball. It's the analytics. It's not the coaches. A new manager wouldn't do much different because Luhnow is playing the odds with analytics. I'm not saying Hinch is amazing, but what y'all are frustrated with is likely not Hinch. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 15:17:26 GMT -6
Sure, but that's less and less the way baseball is played now. That's not a Hinch thing. Nobody does much of that anymore. I think that’s lazy baseball, to just play into pitchers and defenders and hope for the best. That's baseball now. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2019 15:17:59 GMT -6
People forget that Hinch was hired because he wasn’t going to have friction with Luhnow’s plan.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2019 15:18:33 GMT -6
I think that’s lazy baseball, to just play into pitchers and defenders and hope for the best. That's baseball now. So, no improvising then? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 15:19:24 GMT -6
I'm not saying I like it. I'm saying that it's not all Hinch. It's the way the game is going. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2019 15:25:29 GMT -6
I'm not saying I like it. I'm saying that it's not all Hinch. It's the way the game is going. That’s the problem with analytics. It tries to make baseball an exact science. There is no “let’s jumpstart things by trying this”. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2019 15:35:21 GMT -6
People forget that Hinch was hired because he wasn’t going to have friction with Luhnow’s plan. I haven’t forgotten. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 15:39:20 GMT -6
Well I'm glad he hasn't then. Look at the run of success since 2015.
I get why people are frustrated, but if this team fails in the ALCS it will be because they don't hit. Not because they didn't steal enough bases.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 13, 2019 16:14:20 GMT -6
It's not the analytics that is leaving a pitcher in 2 batters too long. That's the guy holding the clipboard.
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2019 16:22:10 GMT -6
Didn't we have like a top-5 bullpen this year and the best ERA among starters?
Again, Hinch may not be amazing, but I'm not seeing much of a problem. Just an opinion.
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Post by sempersmom on Oct 14, 2019 19:27:56 GMT -6
I'm not saying I like it. I'm saying that it's not all Hinch. It's the way the game is going. That’s the problem with analytics. It tries to make baseball an exact science. There is no “let’s jumpstart things by trying this”. Not true. Hinch said himself during the 2017 run, he went with his gut feeling about who should play/pitch. |
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