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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 4, 2020 21:54:58 GMT -6
You haven't noticed that Trout's injuries occur right after the Angels are eliminated from Contention......That is when it happens, I call it like I see it.......I gave you credit for being intelligent enough to see through Correa's crap....I guess I was wrong. I always liked Pence because of his hustle and the way he swings the bat. He has been part of WS winners in San Francisco and knows how to win. He is what we need in a bench player......someone who can come off the bench and hit the ball out of the park. You accidentally tell the truth every once in a while. The whole difference in this scenario is that, by your own admission, you "always liked Pence", so it protects him from the judgement that you sling at the players you haven't "always liked", like Correa. Pence has spent more time on the DL than you've spent in the hospital with your Charcot joint, but for some reason you don't have any issue with that. i never disliked Correa before he LIED about how he received a fractured rib. I am not the only one who is sick of his bullshit and wants to see him traded. You seem to think that Pence spending time on the DL is reason enough not to sign him. We signed Brantley and he lived on the DL in Cleveland. I was for signing him, too. We signed Morton who had a long history of injury and he played a hugh role in us winning the WS in 2017. I don't recall you griping about that. Now, you want Pence treated like he has the Corona virus because he has been on the DL several times. Sounds a little biased and hypocritical to me. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 4, 2020 22:21:58 GMT -6
MY problem with Pence is that he’s as old as you are, and will take playing time away from younger OFers on this team.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 4, 2020 22:50:12 GMT -6
MY problem with Pence is that he’s as old as you are, and will take playing time away from younger OFers on this team. He will soon be 37. Many players have had productive seasons at that age and older. He would only be a bench player and won't take much time away from our younger players. If he is signed, I expect him to be a cheap replacement for Reddick who they want to move. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 7:29:45 GMT -6
The Dodgers have a hell of a lineup.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 5, 2020 7:47:25 GMT -6
If the Angels had some pitching, they could be tough.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 5, 2020 8:45:47 GMT -6
If the Angels had some pitching, they could be tough. Click doesn’t have much time. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 5, 2020 9:02:53 GMT -6
If the Angels had some pitching, they could be tough. Click doesn’t have much time. If he is not free to trade Correa, I can’t see him doing any kind of impactful deal anytime soon. Both the Mets and Reds need help at SS now. The Mets have a lot of pitching. I think he could probably get a good return from the Mets if he made a deal now. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 9:06:54 GMT -6
If the Angels had some pitching, they could be tough. Click doesn’t have much time. Click-Clock |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 9:18:53 GMT -6
I'll be surprised if we make any moves beyond some low-risk AAAA type pitcher deals at this point. Maybe something bigger down the road before the trade deadline depending on how well we're doing (or not doing).
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 9:30:29 GMT -6
Astros STILL widely predicted to win the AL.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 9:50:01 GMT -6
I want to try and win it all this year since our window is closing quickly. However, I'm open to trade Correa for prospects before the season starts because I think a Correaless team can still go and win the WS.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 9:52:27 GMT -6
I have no clue what will happen if they sign Pence. I just hope its not we are trading Tucker.
But if they can move Reddick that would be best and let Pence ride behind the starting three. Let him bat against left handed pitchers.
It would be a great deal.
Any deal I mean any deal Click does will be under a micro scope from evwry single fan regardless of what we get in return.
Im in Favor of aiming for Correa to the Reds for Senzel and Pitching prospects.
Senzel is a great player and we would have a great tandom with Tucker and Senzel for years and not have to worry about high contracts from niether player for a long time.
This is ideal if you wanna resign Springer. Js.
But if not its still ideal if you wanna shoot the moon on a single player.
Brantley would be another player at the deadline that you could trade and get something impactful in return.
But I would think atleast I would hope there is a deal that will go down soon.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 10:00:10 GMT -6
I have no clue what will happen if they sign Pence. I just hope its not we are trading Tucker. But if they can move Reddick that would be best and let Pence ride behind the starting three. Let him bat against left handed pitchers. It would be a great deal. Any deal I mean any deal Click does will be under a micro scope from evwry single fan regardless of what we get in return. Im in Favor of aiming for Correa to the Reds for Senzel and Pitching prospects. Senzel is a great player and we would have a great tandom with Tucker and Senzel for years and not have to worry about high contracts from niether player for a long time. This is ideal if you wanna resign Springer. Js. But if not its still ideal if you wanna shoot the moon on a single player. Brantley would be another player at the deadline that you could trade and get something impactful in return. But I would think atleast I would hope there is a deal that will go down soon. They will not trade Tucker, especially considering Brantley and Springer are FAs after this season. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 10:03:25 GMT -6
I think, if any OF is traded it will be Straw in a package for a pitcher.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 10:14:36 GMT -6
I think, if any OF is traded it will be Straw in a package for a pitcher. But, but the Padres really want Reddick..... you're so not in the know. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 10:18:36 GMT -6
I have no clue what will happen if they sign Pence. I just hope its not we are trading Tucker. But if they can move Reddick that would be best and let Pence ride behind the starting three. Let him bat against left handed pitchers. It would be a great deal. Any deal I mean any deal Click does will be under a micro scope from evwry single fan regardless of what we get in return. Im in Favor of aiming for Correa to the Reds for Senzel and Pitching prospects. Senzel is a great player and we would have a great tandom with Tucker and Senzel for years and not have to worry about high contracts from niether player for a long time. This is ideal if you wanna resign Springer. Js. But if not its still ideal if you wanna shoot the moon on a single player. Brantley would be another player at the deadline that you could trade and get something impactful in return. But I would think atleast I would hope there is a deal that will go down soon. If winning the division and having a great shot at a return to the WS is the goal.....and it will be......they are unlikely to move Correa, Brantley, or Springer In wake of the sign-stealing scandal, winning is being viewed as the big step in the healing process. Springer and Brantley are vital parts if we are to win this year. Correa is expendable since we can move Bregman to SS and play Toro at third base. It would all depend on the return we get for Correa. I am in full agreement with dumping Reddick's salary any way we can and signing Pence. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 10:28:26 GMT -6
Astros STILL widely predicted to win the AL. Yeah people are freaking out just because we lost Cole, but we're essentially starting off with almost the same team (if not a little better since we have Yordan) that we started with last year. Instead of Cole we're starting off with Greinke, but before last year they were essentially very similar in production. I don't know how I feel about Baker yet, but it's not like we took a step back in managers, and I like the Click deal. The plan should be the same as it was last year: Win the division and try to keep the stars rested and healthy. We don't need to be the best team in the AL, and we don't need to win every series against a contender during the regular season to prove anything. If we're doing well heading up to the trade deadline, maybe try to add a pitcher or a catcher (or both) so we can try and make another deep run. I feel like they need to at least win the division again with Altuve, Bregman, and Springer continuing to be elite hitters to redeem themselves in the eyes of many. Right or wrong, anybody that has a poor offensive season is going to get brutalized in the court of public opinion. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 10:29:04 GMT -6
I think, if any OF is traded it will be Straw in a package for a pitcher. Straw can bring back a lot more than Reddick but I don't think moving him is in their plans at the present time. I see them dumping Reddick and replacing him with Pencem who made $2 million last year with the Rangers. We will have to pay Reddick $13 million. |
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Post by m240 on Feb 5, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -6
Trading Correa and Reddick also would get us under the cap.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 10:36:03 GMT -6
I think, if any OF is traded it will be Straw in a package for a pitcher. Straw can bring back a lot more than Reddick but I don't think moving him is in their plans at the present time. I see them dumping Reddick and replacing him with Pencem who made $2 million last year with the Rangers. We will have to pay Reddick $13 million. I can't imagine them wanting to pay the $13m AND the $2m (or whatever Pence takes). There's very little chance we escape from Reddick's contract...a large portion of it is going to be paid by Jim Crane whether Reddick plays or not. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 10:46:09 GMT -6
Straw can bring back a lot more than Reddick but I don't think moving him is in their plans at the present time. I see them dumping Reddick and replacing him with Pencem who made $2 million last year with the Rangers. We will have to pay Reddick $13 million. I can't imagine them wanting to pay the $13m AND the $2m (or whatever Pence takes). There's very little chance we escape from Reddick's contract...a large portion of it is going to be paid by Jim Crane whether Reddick plays or not. If we had to eat some of Reddick's contract, it would be the way to go. Pence can be signed for less than the part of Reddick's salary we would have to pay. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -6
Straw can bring back a lot more than Reddick but I don't think moving him is in their plans at the present time. I see them dumping Reddick and replacing him with Pencem who made $2 million last year with the Rangers. We will have to pay Reddick $13 million. I can't imagine them wanting to pay the $13m AND the $2m (or whatever Pence takes). There's very little chance we escape from Reddick's contract...a large portion of it is going to be paid by Jim Crane whether Reddick plays or not. But we could pay half and he would be gone and we can get a decent prospect. Reddicks value isnt zero. Pence would be a great add. Your running out of space. I mean You trade Yuli Brantley moves to 1B. You trade Reddick Tucker starts in RF and Pence covers as the 4th OF. Straw is back up to CF and SS. There are optuons. But alot dont wanna move whatvwe have to make space. I dislike Yuli. I think capitalize on his value as soon as possible. I dont think he can keep up his pace at hos age and widely believe he is gone after this year. Springer is in the same boat along with Brantley. Why would they stay? Money is tight. If you wanna compete you better have a plan to protect yourselves. What if Springer goes to the Sox? We lose a great player. What if we lose Brantley? We lose another great player. What if we lose Yuli? Another one gone. Thats three great players one whom I dislike. Why cant we plan for the future and make a couple of deals. Not gut the team bit see what we can do. We may have missed on a great deal for Jose Martinez or a Dominic Smith to man 1B. When Yuli goes. But what about two years feom know when Grienke and Verlander say its been real gotta go? Can we trust Whitley? Then who after that? We dont know what McCullers is gonna do after the year off? There is still alot of what ifs. Everyone puts fate in what the Graphs say we are gonna do but those things get proven wrong alot. We are under a micro scope on every pitch till these dumb dumbs put that crap behind them. And the Dodgers Yankees and several other teams are not gonna forget anytime soon. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -6
I don't see them finding a trade partner for Reddick unless they ate most of his salary which defeats the purpose. I think they need to bite the bullet and find a way to maximize his remaining value this final year. If you look at his splits and situational hitting, there are some areas where he has been quite productive. Number one is that he has absolutely torn up LHPs the last two years whereas he used to be considerably better against righties. That would lead you to believe that it isn't a physical decline, but more of some type of mental or visual issue. And his month of September last year was awesome. There is still some hope he can be productive.
He spent most of the year hitting 6th, 7th, or 9th in 2019. He excelled when hitting 6th and 7th, but was miserable hitting 9th. He also hits very well whenever he had at least one strike on him. Even 0-1 counts he hit .352. This leads us to believe that he needs to take until he gets a strike. More chances to see the pitcher. For example, on 1-0 counts he only hit .228 with a .544 OPS...probably swinging out of his shoes. But if he waited and took another pitch (either 1-1 or 2-0) his chances increased to either .353 or .415! He was also great against starting pitchers but horrible against bullpens (.809 OPS compared to .638 OPS). This leads us to believe, and is supported by the numbers, that he isn't as good against high speed pitchers coming out in relief. He hit .202 against power pitches and .313 against "finesse".
It's probably way more effort than they would do, but it would be interesting to see how he would do if they forced him to take until he got a strike, stuck him 7th in the order, and then took him out in games once teams are bringing in their 95+ MPH relievers. He could probably get 450 quality ABs that way (assuming he stayed healthy), and we'd maximize what we can.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 12:28:11 GMT -6
I can't imagine them wanting to pay the $13m AND the $2m (or whatever Pence takes). There's very little chance we escape from Reddick's contract...a large portion of it is going to be paid by Jim Crane whether Reddick plays or not. But we could pay half and he would be gone and we can get a decent prospect. Reddicks value isnt zero. Pence would be a great add. Your running out of space. I mean You trade Yuli Brantley moves to 1B. You trade Reddick Tucker starts in RF and Pence covers as the 4th OF. Straw is back up to CF and SS. There are optuons. But alot dont wanna move whatvwe have to make space. I dislike Yuli. I think capitalize on his value as soon as possible. I dont think he can keep up his pace at hos age and widely believe he is gone after this year. Springer is in the same boat along with Brantley. Why would they stay? Money is tight. If you wanna compete you better have a plan to protect yourselves. What if Springer goes to the Sox? We lose a great player. What if we lose Brantley? We lose another great player. What if we lose Yuli? Another one gone. Thats three great players one whom I dislike. Why cant we plan for the future and make a couple of deals. Not gut the team bit see what we can do. We may have missed on a great deal for Jose Martinez or a Dominic Smith to man 1B. When Yuli goes. But what about two years feom know when Grienke and Verlander say its been real gotta go? Can we trust Whitley? Then who after that? We dont know what McCullers is gonna do after the year off? There is still alot of what ifs. Everyone puts fate in what the Graphs say we are gonna do but those things get proven wrong alot. We are under a micro scope on every pitch till these dumb dumbs put that crap behind them. And the Dodgers Yankees and several other teams are not gonna forget anytime soon. Each time that you post that you "dislike Yuli", you prove how little you know. You DISLIKE a guy who plays an above average first base, hits. 300 with 30 HR's naand 100 RBI..........I rest my case/ |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 12:31:24 GMT -6
But we could pay half and he would be gone and we can get a decent prospect. Reddicks value isnt zero. Pence would be a great add. Your running out of space. But what about two years feom know when Grienke and Verlander say its been real gotta go? e are under a micro scope on every pitch till these dumb dumbs put that crap behind them. And the Dodgers Yankees and several other teams are not gonna forget anytime soon. Each time that you post that you "dislike Yuli", you prove how little you know. You DISLIKE a guy who plays an above average first base, hits. 300 with 30 HR's naand 100 RBI..........I rest my case/ .....you dislike a steady stream of proven above-average players for a variety of strange reasons... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 14:14:14 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 14:15:14 GMT -6
Each time that you post that you "dislike Yuli", you prove how little you know. You DISLIKE a guy who plays an above average first base, hits. 300 with 30 HR's naand 100 RBI..........I rest my case/ .....you dislike a steady stream of proven above-average players for a variety of strange reasons... I disliked useless rubbish like your boys Tyler White and Max Stassi. You trashed Maldonado when we traded for him in 2018 and you praised them for re-signing him after 2019. LOL LOL I guess he had mastered framing pitches by then, LOL I disliked Keuchel because he turned into a batting practice pitcher who frequently got us 3-4 runs behind before we ever got to bat. I like a healthy, dedicated Correa which we have not seen since 2017. I don't like the version of him we have now and want him gone, I liked Kemp as a person but he was an inconsistent hitter with no power and was adequate at best in the outfield. He was supposed to be a second baseman but Hinch declined to play him there when Altuve was injured. The main thing he did was to hump the legs of productive players. LOL You liked White and Stassi even though they did NOTHING to help us. Replacing White with Yordan as DH probably kept us from being a wild card team last year, |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 14:16:05 GMT -6
Screw Pete Rose...he should never be reinstated. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 14:19:23 GMT -6
.....you dislike a steady stream of proven above-average players for a variety of strange reasons... I disliked useless rubbish like your boys Tyler White and Max Stassi. You trashed Maldonado when we traded for him in 2018 and you praised them for re-signing him after 2019. LOL LOL I guess he had mastered framing pitches by then, LOL I disliked Keuchel because he turned into a batting practice pitcher who frequently got us 3-4 runs behind before we ever got to bat. I like a healthy, dedicated Correa which we have not seen since 2017. I don't like the version of him we have now and want him gone, I liked Kemp as a person but he was an inconsistent hitter with no power and was adequate at best in the outfield. He was supposed to be a second baseman but Hinch declined to play him there when Altuve was injured. The main thing he did was to hump the legs of productive players. LOL You liked White and Stassi even though they did NOTHING to help us. Replacing White with Yordan as DH probably kept us from being a wild card team last year, Yeah, none of White and Stassi, etc. has anything to do with you having a laundry of list good players that you dislike. And I'm not sure what Maldonado has to do with this conversation... You make up all kinds of absolutely ridiculous reasons for disliking quality players more than anybody else here, but then you call another poster out for disliking a player? Come on now. Surely you can see how that's ridiculous. But whatever bruh, you do you. |
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Post by m240 on Feb 5, 2020 14:27:53 GMT -6
I do not think that there actually will be any moves of consequence before June or so unless the groundwork for the deal was getting in place prior to the release of the report that got Luhnow fired. Click will be trying to figure out who I who in the zoo for at least the first two weeks.
Now having said that trading Reddick a 20 something rated prospect plus a couple bucks for a bag of oranges makes easy sense. Also signing Pence for 2mm makes easy sense. Now trading Correa is a different type of deal and one that goes a long way to defining Click's first year and possibly his future. That will not be a move made lightly.
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