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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 14:35:50 GMT -6
I guess you dont care about age to money.
Yuli is the oldest everyday player on the team.
So you wanna just hope he doesnt dislocate his hip and say cool we are stuck with this new influx of a new contract that u wanna offer him.
Like Springer sure he is heart and soul. And he is a great player. But, you give him this contract and say just go play do what u want.
Heck no.
You say no more CF. Have you thought about maybe 1B?
You have to protect your assets. Or you will have a A.J. Polluck situation on your hands.
But you keep tying these old guys up with theee rediculas contracts you waste your young guys. And you burn money.
Not your money wright. But this is what the owner will see why waste all this money on a team that is ry ning a retirement home. We can save some cash and get some.players in and rebuild like we did from the jump. This, this is what is needed to take this Toilet paper stain off are backs
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 5, 2020 14:48:24 GMT -6
Screw Pete Rose...he should never be reinstated. I disagree. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 14:54:15 GMT -6
I disliked useless rubbish like your boys Tyler White and Max Stassi. You trashed Maldonado when we traded for him in 2018 and you praised them for re-signing him after 2019. LOL LOL I guess he had mastered framing pitches by then, LOL I disliked Keuchel because he turned into a batting practice pitcher who frequently got us 3-4 runs behind before we ever got to bat. I like a healthy, dedicated Correa which we have not seen since 2017. I don't like the version of him we have now and want him gone, I liked Kemp as a person but he was an inconsistent hitter with no power and was adequate at best in the outfield. He was supposed to be a second baseman but Hinch declined to play him there when Altuve was injured. The main thing he did was to hump the legs of productive players. LOL You liked White and Stassi even though they did NOTHING to help us. Replacing White with Yordan as DH probably kept us from being a wild card team last year, Yeah, none of White and Stassi, etc. has anything to do with you having a laundry of list good players that you dislike. And I'm not sure what Maldonado has to do with this conversation... You make up all kinds of absolutely ridiculous reasons for disliking quality players more than anybody else here, but then you call another poster out for disliking a player? Come on now. Surely you can see how that's ridiculous. But whatever bruh, you do you. You can try to deflect your ridiculous evaluations of weak players by throwing accusations at me,but, you have yet to name any of these "quality players" you claim i disliked. I named the losers you wanted to keep on the roster. And don't start with the bullshit that I dislike Altuve because that is a lie. I like him as a player.....I just wish he had more intelligence. I like Bregman as a player, but, I don't care for his posing for the cameras and strutting. I despised Ken Giles and was proven right about him. I said it was a mistake to let Morton walk and he proved me right about that, too. I despised Gomez and never wanted us to deal for him and i was right. I think we were wrong to dump Aaron Sanchez instead of trying to sign him to a minor league deal to see if he can get healthy. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 14:58:22 GMT -6
Yeah, none of White and Stassi, etc. has anything to do with you having a laundry of list good players that you dislike. And I'm not sure what Maldonado has to do with this conversation... You make up all kinds of absolutely ridiculous reasons for disliking quality players more than anybody else here, but then you call another poster out for disliking a player? Come on now. Surely you can see how that's ridiculous. But whatever bruh, you do you. You can try to deflect your ridiculous evaluations of weak players by throwing accusations at me,but, you have yet to name any of these "quality players" you claim i disliked. I named the losers you wanted to keep on the roster. And don't start with the bullshit that I dislike Altuve because that is a lie. I like him as a player.....I just wish he had more intelligence. I like Bregman as a player, but, I don't care for his posing for the cameras and strutting. I despised Ken Giles and was proven right about him. I said it was a mistake to let Morton walk and he proved me right about that, too. I despised Gomez and never wanted us to deal for him and i was right. I think we were wrong to dump Aaron Sanchez instead of trying to sign him to a minor league deal to see if he can get healthy. I'm not the one who started deflecting, and most of what you just brought up has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. But, I'm not here to argue about it. If you can't see that you're being hypocritical about others "disliking" players then that's on you. I'm just pointing it out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 15:01:08 GMT -6
I guess you dont care about age to money. Yuli is the oldest everyday player on the team. So you wanna just hope he doesnt dislocate his hip and say cool we are stuck with this new influx of a new contract that u wanna offer him. Like Springer sure he is heart and soul. And he is a great player. But, you give him this contract and say just go play do what u want. Heck no. You say no more CF. Have you thought about maybe 1B? You have to protect your assets. Or you will have a A.J. Polluck situation on your hands. But you keep tying these old guys up with theee rediculas contracts you waste your young guys. And you burn money. Not your money wright. But this is what the owner will see why waste all this money on a team that is ry ning a retirement home. We can save some cash and get some.players in and rebuild like we did from the jump. This, this is what is needed to take this Toilet paper stain off are backs George Springer is hardly an "old guy". He is 30 years old. I care about production more than age. I won't dump Yuli just because he is nearly 36, I wouid love to see Yordan replace him at first base and see Yuli as the full-time DH. I would give him a chance to be a new version of Edgar Martinez as a DH. If it were up to you, you would dump all the productive players and use AAA guys. Altuve will ber 30 in May, Do you want to dump him, too? LOL LOL LOL |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 15:01:36 GMT -6
Yankees have their first injury of 2020. Paxton is out until sometime in May or June at least.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 15:07:06 GMT -6
Age needs to be considered, but, it has to be within reason. Saying Springer is too old to be given five years is just dumb.......he is only 30.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 15:35:35 GMT -6
Age needs to be considered, but, it has to be within reason. Saying Springer is too old to be given five years is just dumb.......he is only 30. If he produces again this year, I would hope next OS the Astros would offer Springer a 5 year deal/165M deal |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 15:39:11 GMT -6
Age needs to be considered, but, it has to be within reason. Saying Springer is too old to be given five years is just dumb.......he is only 30. If he produces again this year, I would hope next OS the Astros would offer Springer a 5 year deal/165M deal I agree. I wish they had offered him 5 years for $150 million now. I know that many disagree,but, I think he is the MVP and sparkplug of this team. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 15:50:19 GMT -6
If Springer can stay healthy and repeat his performance from last year, I'd start at a 6-year $150 million offer and see where it goes. I'm not sure that he is a $30 million a year type player, but I'd go to $25 for sure and then see how much more than that he thinks he is worth.
Remember, he'll be 31 years old by the postseason and he has only had one full healthy season in his career. It doesn't matter how good somebody is, if they can't stay on the field more than that their value has a limit.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 15:50:44 GMT -6
If he produces again this year, I would hope next OS the Astros would offer Springer a 5 year deal/165M deal I agree. I wish they had offered him 5 years for $150 million now. I know that many disagree,but, I think he is the MVP and sparkplug of this team. They will be heavily taxed by doing so now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 16:07:55 GMT -6
If Springer can stay healthy and repeat his performance from last year, I'd start at a 6-year $150 million offer and see where it goes. I'm not sure that he is a $30 million a year type player, but I'd go to $25 for sure and then see how much more than that he thinks he is worth. Remember, he'll be 31 years old by the postseason and he has only had one full healthy season in his career. It doesn't matter how good somebody is, if they can't stay on the field more than that their value has a limit. They won't get him for six years at $150. He is going to want $30 million a year and he is worth it. If they offer $150 million, it will need to be for 5 years. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 16:32:31 GMT -6
If Springer can stay healthy and repeat his performance from last year, I'd start at a 6-year $150 million offer and see where it goes. I'm not sure that he is a $30 million a year type player, but I'd go to $25 for sure and then see how much more than that he thinks he is worth. Remember, he'll be 31 years old by the postseason and he has only had one full healthy season in his career. It doesn't matter how good somebody is, if they can't stay on the field more than that their value has a limit. They won't get him for six years at $150. He is going to want $30 million a year and he is worth it. If they offer $150 million, it will need to be for 5 years. There are only three position players out there that will be making/has made $30 million a year during their age 36 season (which is what you're saying Springer should get with that offer). That's Miguel Cabrera, Anthony Rendon, and Mike Trout, two slam dunk 1st ballot HoFers with no cheating allegations, and Rendon who reached free agency two years younger than Springer will and has had more games played over the previous three seasons. Even Machado and Harper won't be making that much. And that contract for Miguel Cabrera sure isn't working out for Detroit (and I have a feeling neither will Trout's). You have to factor in his age. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 5, 2020 16:36:23 GMT -6
Astros STILL widely predicted to win the AL. Yeah people are freaking out just because we lost Cole, but we're essentially starting off with almost the same team (if not a little better since we have Yordan) that we started with last year. Instead of Cole we're starting off with Greinke, but before last year they were essentially very similar in production. I don't know how I feel about Baker yet, but it's not like we took a step back in managers, and I like the Click deal. The plan should be the same as it was last year: Win the division and try to keep the stars rested and healthy. We don't need to be the best team in the AL, and we don't need to win every series against a contender during the regular season to prove anything. If we're doing well heading up to the trade deadline, maybe try to add a pitcher or a catcher (or both) so we can try and make another deep run. I feel like they need to at least win the division again with Altuve, Bregman, and Springer continuing to be elite hitters to redeem themselves in the eyes of many. Right or wrong, anybody that has a poor offensive season is going to get brutalized in the court of public opinion. I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 16:37:34 GMT -6
Yeah people are freaking out just because we lost Cole, but we're essentially starting off with almost the same team (if not a little better since we have Yordan) that we started with last year. Instead of Cole we're starting off with Greinke, but before last year they were essentially very similar in production. I don't know how I feel about Baker yet, but it's not like we took a step back in managers, and I like the Click deal. The plan should be the same as it was last year: Win the division and try to keep the stars rested and healthy. We don't need to be the best team in the AL, and we don't need to win every series against a contender during the regular season to prove anything. If we're doing well heading up to the trade deadline, maybe try to add a pitcher or a catcher (or both) so we can try and make another deep run. I feel like they need to at least win the division again with Altuve, Bregman, and Springer continuing to be elite hitters to redeem themselves in the eyes of many. Right or wrong, anybody that has a poor offensive season is going to get brutalized in the court of public opinion. I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 5, 2020 16:38:27 GMT -6
Yeah people are freaking out just because we lost Cole, but we're essentially starting off with almost the same team (if not a little better since we have Yordan) that we started with last year. Instead of Cole we're starting off with Greinke, but before last year they were essentially very similar in production. I don't know how I feel about Baker yet, but it's not like we took a step back in managers, and I like the Click deal. The plan should be the same as it was last year: Win the division and try to keep the stars rested and healthy. We don't need to be the best team in the AL, and we don't need to win every series against a contender during the regular season to prove anything. If we're doing well heading up to the trade deadline, maybe try to add a pitcher or a catcher (or both) so we can try and make another deep run. I feel like they need to at least win the division again with Altuve, Bregman, and Springer continuing to be elite hitters to redeem themselves in the eyes of many. Right or wrong, anybody that has a poor offensive season is going to get brutalized in the court of public opinion. I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
Lmao. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 16:50:19 GMT -6
They won't get him for six years at $150. He is going to want $30 million a year and he is worth it. If they offer $150 million, it will need to be for 5 years. There are only three position players out there that will be making/has made $30 million a year during their age 36 season (which is what you're saying Springer should get with that offer). That's Miguel Cabrera, Anthony Rendon, and Mike Trout, two slam dunk 1st ballot HoFers with no cheating allegations, and Rendon who reached free agency two years younger than Springer will and has had more games played over the previous three seasons. Even Machado and Harper won't be making that much. And that contract for Miguel Cabrera sure isn't working out for Detroit (and I have a feeling neither will Trout's). You have to factor in his age. Cheating allegations have nothing to do with his offensive production, |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 16:52:08 GMT -6
I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
Lmao. At least Baker will probably be watching the game instead of having his nose buried in stats on a clipboard. That is in his favor. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 5, 2020 16:52:15 GMT -6
I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 17:01:52 GMT -6
I guess you dont care about age to money. Yuli is the oldest everyday player on the team. So you wanna just hope he doesnt dislocate his hip and say cool we are stuck with this new influx of a new contract that u wanna offer him. Like Springer sure he is heart and soul. And he is a great player. But, you give him this contract and say just go play do what u want. Heck no. You say no more CF. Have you thought about maybe 1B? You have to protect your assets. Or you will have a A.J. Polluck situation on your hands. But you keep tying these old guys up with theee rediculas contracts you waste your young guys. And you burn money. Not your money wright. But this is what the owner will see why waste all this money on a team that is ry ning a retirement home. We can save some cash and get some.players in and rebuild like we did from the jump. This, this is what is needed to take this Toilet paper stain off are backs George Springer is hardly an "old guy". He is 30 years old. I care about production more than age. I won't dump Yuli just because he is nearly 36, I wouid love to see Yordan replace him at first base and see Yuli as the full-time DH. I would give him a chance to be a new version of Edgar Martinez as a DH. If it were up to you, you would dump all the productive players and use AAA guys. Altuve will ber 30 in May, Do you want to dump him, too? LOL LOL LOL No if it where up to me I would look at options. Correa would be gone asap to the Reds for Senzel and some Pitching prospects. Then look at a deal that would send Reddick out maybe add a player or two or pay some cash and see if I could land something for thia year. Yuli would be gone today. I would get a SP in return. High end SP prospect. Wait till the Deadline but first offer a decent conteact to Springer 3yr deal. Let him mull it over till the deadline. If he decides he can get more boom he is Traded. For an Impact 3B and Pitching Prospects. Brantley would also be traded at the Deadline regardless looking for a Impact SP high end proapect. Flow the year threw. Kinda feel out what is going on with Grienke and Verlander. The Offseason is the time to look at things. Pretty Sure Verlander wants to go by then and Grienke. But only for a big deal. If no deal emerges then wait till the deadline and then dump them off for the highest prices. High end SP prospects on the top 100. This is ideal for the Future. Bit thats me. I think we can do some damage between this deadline and next. But thats me |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 17:02:50 GMT -6
Age needs to be considered, but, it has to be within reason. Saying Springer is too old to be given five years is just dumb.......he is only 30. Old for a CFer. Its not dumb but you offer him big money to stay why cant you protect your investment? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 17:05:42 GMT -6
Age needs to be considered, but, it has to be within reason. Saying Springer is too old to be given five years is just dumb.......he is only 30. Old for a CFer. Its not dumb but you offer him big money to stay why cant you protect your investment? l would like to see how you would protect our investment. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 17:06:46 GMT -6
And do you really wanna offer Springer 30m plus to stay?
Yuli atleast 20m plus?
Or Brantley 20m plus?
Then after this year we go into next year wondering about Verlander and Grienke after the season. I wouldnt pay them anymore cash they would be gone.
Dont sacrifice the cash for IDKs.
Get younger save some cash and tey and sign someone special in the offseason.
I would pay Mookie 30m plus. And there are a couple others. But not Springer
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 17:07:11 GMT -6
Old for a CFer. Its not dumb but you offer him big money to stay why cant you protect your investment? l would like to see how you would protect our investment. LF only maybe see if he can play 1B. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 5, 2020 17:15:21 GMT -6
George Springer is hardly an "old guy". He is 30 years old. I care about production more than age. I won't dump Yuli just because he is nearly 36, I wouid love to see Yordan replace him at first base and see Yuli as the full-time DH. I would give him a chance to be a new version of Edgar Martinez as a DH. If it were up to you, you would dump all the productive players and use AAA guys. Altuve will ber 30 in May, Do you want to dump him, too? LOL LOL LOL No if it where up to me I would look at options. Correa would be gone asap to the Reds for Senzel and some Pitching prospects. Then look at a deal that would send Reddick out maybe add a player or two or pay some cash and see if I could land something for thia year. Yuli would be gone today. I would get a SP in return. High end SP prospect. Wait till the Deadline but first offer a decent conteact to Springer 3yr deal. Let him mull it over till the deadline. If he decides he can get more boom he is Traded. For an Impact 3B and Pitching Prospects. Brantley would also be traded at the Deadline regardless looking for a Impact SP high end proapect. Flow the year threw. Kinda feel out what is going on with Grienke and Verlander. The Offseason is the time to look at things. Pretty Sure Verlander wants to go by then and Grienke. But only for a big deal. If no deal emerges then wait till the deadline and then dump them off for the highest prices. High end SP prospects on the top 100. This is ideal for the Future. Bit thats me. I think we can do some damage between this deadline and next. But thats me I would do Senzel for Correa. But Springer is the face of the franchise. We should offer him top dollar. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 17:29:12 GMT -6
No if it where up to me I would look at options. Correa would be gone asap to the Reds for Senzel and some Pitching prospects. Then look at a deal that would send Reddick out maybe add a player or two or pay some cash and see if I could land something for thia year. Yuli would be gone today. I would get a SP in return. High end SP prospect. Wait till the Deadline but first offer a decent conteact to Springer 3yr deal. Let him mull it over till the deadline. If he decides he can get more boom he is Traded. For an Impact 3B and Pitching Prospects. Brantley would also be traded at the Deadline regardless looking for a Impact SP high end proapect. Flow the year threw. Kinda feel out what is going on with Grienke and Verlander. The Offseason is the time to look at things. Pretty Sure Verlander wants to go by then and Grienke. But only for a big deal. If no deal emerges then wait till the deadline and then dump them off for the highest prices. High end SP prospects on the top 100. This is ideal for the Future. Bit thats me. I think we can do some damage between this deadline and next. But thats me I would do Senzel for Correa. But Springer is the face of the franchise. We should offer him top dollar. You're only saying Springer is the face of the franchise because he is not a Mexican like Altuve...Racists, so narrow minded. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 17:59:00 GMT -6
Look Springer is a good player but be real he isnt 30m+ Good.
If you can get a good SP for him or Future 3B that would be a great way to go.
The Astros have to push Yordan in a direction. 1B, DH or LF no matter what.
They have to start this this offseason.
But if they wanted him at 1B why did they try Tucker at 1B?
For some reason if you look at the overall picture sees Yuli leaving.
Brantley before signes says he would play 1B.
Intreasting. If he does ok and would like to move permenitley to 1B might be a great move for his career.
But back to Springer 31 after this year and offering him.30+m looks like a very stupid idea.
If you sign him for 5yrs. Thats way to much to allocate to him.
This is his year to prove he can repeat and hit better then he did. Gain some value but if he regresses then you know where he is.
Polluck
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 18:04:12 GMT -6
There are only three position players out there that will be making/has made $30 million a year during their age 36 season (which is what you're saying Springer should get with that offer). That's Miguel Cabrera, Anthony Rendon, and Mike Trout, two slam dunk 1st ballot HoFers with no cheating allegations, and Rendon who reached free agency two years younger than Springer will and has had more games played over the previous three seasons. Even Machado and Harper won't be making that much. And that contract for Miguel Cabrera sure isn't working out for Detroit (and I have a feeling neither will Trout's). You have to factor in his age. Cheating allegations have nothing to do with his offensive production, Don't be naive. Some of these guys' stock went down because of that. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 18:05:07 GMT -6
At least Baker will probably be watching the game instead of having his nose buried in stats on a clipboard. That is in his favor. For real. That has won Baker a lot of championships. Way more than Hinch... |
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 18:08:11 GMT -6
When did people start considering Springer the face of of the franchise and the heart of the team etc?
He had his best year last season and it wasn't even a full season...
I think y'all are overvaluing him.
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