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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 18:42:53 GMT -6
When did people start considering Springer the face of of the franchise and the heart of the team etc? He had his best year last season and it wasn't even a full season... I think y'all are overvaluing him. Ive said this. I dont think he is a 25m dollar player much less a 30m. I think he will leave in FA. And I would so trade him at the deadline so we can atleast get something we need and not a maybe. I believe they will over pay him and we will be in tax hell when he goes down in yr two of his way to long deal. But thats me.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:00:29 GMT -6
And do you really wanna offer Springer 30m plus to stay? Yuli atleast 20m plus? Or Brantley 20m plus? Then after this year we go into next year wondering about Verlander and Grienke after the season. I wouldnt pay them anymore cash they would be gone. Dont sacrifice the cash for IDKs. Get younger save some cash and tey and sign someone special in the offseason. I would pay Mookie 30m plus. And there are a couple others. But not Springer Forget Mookie......he's a Dodger.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 5, 2020 19:01:17 GMT -6
And do you really wanna offer Springer 30m plus to stay? Yuli atleast 20m plus? Or Brantley 20m plus? Then after this year we go into next year wondering about Verlander and Grienke after the season. I wouldnt pay them anymore cash they would be gone. Dont sacrifice the cash for IDKs. Get younger save some cash and tey and sign someone special in the offseason. I would pay Mookie 30m plus. And there are a couple others. But not Springer Forget Mookie......he's a Dodger. He wont resign there. He wants to be paid. I would pay him before Springer
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:02:18 GMT -6
No if it where up to me I would look at options. Correa would be gone asap to the Reds for Senzel and some Pitching prospects. Then look at a deal that would send Reddick out maybe add a player or two or pay some cash and see if I could land something for thia year. Yuli would be gone today. I would get a SP in return. High end SP prospect. Wait till the Deadline but first offer a decent conteact to Springer 3yr deal. Let him mull it over till the deadline. If he decides he can get more boom he is Traded. For an Impact 3B and Pitching Prospects. Brantley would also be traded at the Deadline regardless looking for a Impact SP high end proapect. Flow the year threw. Kinda feel out what is going on with Grienke and Verlander. The Offseason is the time to look at things. Pretty Sure Verlander wants to go by then and Grienke. But only for a big deal. If no deal emerges then wait till the deadline and then dump them off for the highest prices. High end SP prospects on the top 100. This is ideal for the Future. Bit thats me. I think we can do some damage between this deadline and next. But thats me I would do Senzel for Correa. But Springer is the face of the franchise. We should offer him top dollar. i agree. More people are beginning to see how valuable Springer is to the Astros. He is the key to the offense.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:03:41 GMT -6
Forget Mookie......he's a Dodger. He wont resign there. He wants to be paid. I would pay him before Springer Why would you think the Dodgers can't sign him? I would not pay Betts more than Springer.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:06:47 GMT -6
I would do Senzel for Correa. But Springer is the face of the franchise. We should offer him top dollar. You're only saying Springer is the face of the franchise because he is not a Mexican like Altuve...Racists, so narrow minded. Altuve is a Venezuelan.....not Mexican. I don't care what race any of them are but Springer is the face of the franchise and key to the offense. He also has a higher IQ than Altuve.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 19:21:09 GMT -6
You're only saying Springer is the face of the franchise because he is not a Mexican like Altuve...Racists, so narrow minded. Altuve is a Venezuelan.....not Mexican. I don't care what race any of them are but Springer is the face of the franchise and key to the offense. He also has a higher IQ than Altuve. Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking....
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 19:43:45 GMT -6
Yeah people are freaking out just because we lost Cole, but we're essentially starting off with almost the same team (if not a little better since we have Yordan) that we started with last year. Instead of Cole we're starting off with Greinke, but before last year they were essentially very similar in production. I don't know how I feel about Baker yet, but it's not like we took a step back in managers, and I like the Click deal. The plan should be the same as it was last year: Win the division and try to keep the stars rested and healthy. We don't need to be the best team in the AL, and we don't need to win every series against a contender during the regular season to prove anything. If we're doing well heading up to the trade deadline, maybe try to add a pitcher or a catcher (or both) so we can try and make another deep run. I feel like they need to at least win the division again with Altuve, Bregman, and Springer continuing to be elite hitters to redeem themselves in the eyes of many. Right or wrong, anybody that has a poor offensive season is going to get brutalized in the court of public opinion. I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
Hinch slept through plenty of pitcher meltdowns...how much worse could Baker be?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 19:46:20 GMT -6
Altuve is a Venezuelan.....not Mexican. I don't care what race any of them are but Springer is the face of the franchise and key to the offense. He also has a higher IQ than Altuve. Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking.... It's not MY line of thinking, but if you can't see the shadow of Corch's hood peeking out from under his trucker cap then you're just not looking.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 5, 2020 20:13:32 GMT -6
Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking.... It's not MY line of thinking, but if you can't see the shadow of Corch's hood peeking out from under his trucker cap then you're just not looking. Remember your Mexican-Cuban joke last year....I was paying tribute to it with my super stupidity....
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 20:27:20 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 20:27:57 GMT -6
Altuve is a Venezuelan.....not Mexican. I don't care what race any of them are but Springer is the face of the franchise and key to the offense. He also has a higher IQ than Altuve. Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking.... i knew you were so I tried to play along. The only reason I want to sign Pence is because he is a blond white boy from Texas.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 20:29:25 GMT -6
I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
Hinch slept through plenty of pitcher meltdowns...how much worse could Baker be? hinch had a brain fart in game 7 when he pulled Greinke who was a LONG way from melting down. I will always say Hinch handed game 7 to the Nats.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 20:33:19 GMT -6
Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking.... It's not MY line of thinking, but if you can't see the shadow of Corch's hood peeking out from under his trucker cap then you're just not looking. I always wear a hood the same color as my sheet. However, I have never owned a trucker cap but did use a CB radio back in the day. I never had dominoes hanging from my rear view mirror nor purple lights on my hub caps.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 20:34:27 GMT -6
That settles it.......we have the 2020 WS in the bag.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 5, 2020 20:41:22 GMT -6
I don't know if we took a step back in managers, but it'll be interesting to see how many times Baker falls asleep in the dugout this season
Hinch slept through plenty of pitcher meltdowns...how much worse could Baker be? It’s a shame Hinch didn’t sleep through all of game 7 of the 2019 WS.
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Post by Saint on Feb 5, 2020 20:47:05 GMT -6
That settles it.......we have the 2020 WS in the bag. If we stay healthy, we have as good a shot as any, if not more so.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 21:16:52 GMT -6
That settles it.......we have the 2020 WS in the bag. If we stay healthy, we have as good a shot as any, if not more so. I agree. In the meantime, we need to start a poll to pick how long it will take Correa take one of his vacations.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 21:18:07 GMT -6
Hinch slept through plenty of pitcher meltdowns...how much worse could Baker be? It’s a shame Hinch didn’t sleep through all of game 7 of the 2019 WS. My sentiments exactly. If he had, we probably would have won the WS.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 5, 2020 21:45:47 GMT -6
Look, I am just going by Bortaz's line of thinking.... i knew you were so I tried to play along. The only reason I want to sign Pence is because he is a blond white boy from Texas. After all, you are going to need a new boi toi to replace Jork.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 5, 2020 22:45:59 GMT -6
i knew you were so I tried to play along. The only reason I want to sign Pence is because he is a blond white boy from Texas. After all, you are going to need a new boi toi to replace Jork. It also means you have to find a new whipping boy to make ridiculous comments about........I am sure whoever you come up with will be white. If we sign Pence, I predict he will receive the honor, You will have a tough time topping some of the ridiculous remarks you made about Jake such referring to him as "the worst player in baseball" when he is one of the top defensive outfielders in the game.
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 6, 2020 9:49:06 GMT -6
When did people start considering Springer the face of of the franchise and the heart of the team etc? He had his best year last season and it wasn't even a full season... I think y'all are overvaluing him. No disrespect to Springer but Altuve is still the face and heart of this team.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 6, 2020 10:10:54 GMT -6
Just one week until pitchers and catchers report for spring training!
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 10:28:35 GMT -6
When did people start considering Springer the face of of the franchise and the heart of the team etc? He had his best year last season and it wasn't even a full season... I think y'all are overvaluing him. No disrespect to Springer but Altuve is still the face and heart of this team. you and i will never agree on this. Altuve is a great player,but, the value of a player is determined in many ways. When George is out of the lineup, the offense suffers much more than when Altuve is out. Check the wins.losses, number of runs scored, etc. George is the emotional leader of the team in the dugout, on the field, and in the clubhouse. His enthusiasm is contagious. Jose is more of a reserved leader and is valuable. But, George Springer is the face of the franchise and heart and soul of the Astros and deserves to be paid every bit as much as Altuve, if not more.
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 6, 2020 10:59:13 GMT -6
I love Springer and appreciate the enthusiasm he brings to this team. You're right, we won't agree on this subject. In my opinion, Altuve means so much more.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 6, 2020 11:11:48 GMT -6
No disrespect to Springer but Altuve is still the face and heart of this team. you and i will never agree on this. Altuve is a great player,but, the value of a player is determined in many ways. When George is out of the lineup, the offense suffers much more than when Altuve is out. Check the wins.losses, number of runs scored, etc. George is the emotional leader of the team in the dugout, on the field, and in the clubhouse. His enthusiasm is contagious. Jose is more of a reserved leader and is valuable. But, George Springer is the face of the franchise and heart and soul of the Astros and deserves to be paid every bit as much as Altuve, if not more. Tony Kemp was the heart and soul of the franchise.
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 6, 2020 11:15:43 GMT -6
you and i will never agree on this. Altuve is a great player,but, the value of a player is determined in many ways. When George is out of the lineup, the offense suffers much more than when Altuve is out. Check the wins.losses, number of runs scored, etc. George is the emotional leader of the team in the dugout, on the field, and in the clubhouse. His enthusiasm is contagious. Jose is more of a reserved leader and is valuable. But, George Springer is the face of the franchise and heart and soul of the Astros and deserves to be paid every bit as much as Altuve, if not more. Tony Kemp was the heart and soul of the franchise.
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 6, 2020 12:34:50 GMT -6
I love Springer and appreciate the enthusiasm he brings to this team. You're right, we won't agree on this subject. In my opinion, Altuve means so much more. I totally agree, when this team was torn down, he was the corner stone of the franchise, starting with those 100 loss seasons.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 6, 2020 12:48:31 GMT -6
The people who project the A’s to finish ahead of us probably factored in the addition of Tony Kemp.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:21:33 GMT -6
I love Springer and appreciate the enthusiasm he brings to this team. You're right, we won't agree on this subject. In my opinion, Altuve means so much more. HOW does Altuve mean so much more? I don't see it. I admire him for being here through all the years of losing after Drayton gutted the roster. However, it is not Springer's fault that the losing seasons gave us the draft picks needed to build the team we have now. Altuve's value should not be minimized, but, at this time, Springer is the heart and soul of the Astros. Again, go check the numbers when Altuve is out and compare them to those when George is out, We are weaker when George is on the IL.
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