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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 12:11:57 GMT -6
People need to get the hell over Boras. He is who he is, and his clients are who they are. It is an absolute joke that we still talk about Beltrán after 15 seasons. Like Bortaz said, it is “sand in vaginas” type of griping. Any one of us in Cole’s position would have Boras in their corner. No one has a vendetta against our team. That’s just how you play the contract game.
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2019 12:54:13 GMT -6
I also get tired of people saying guys are "only playing for the money" when they go for the biggest contract. Wtf turns down extra millions?
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2019 12:57:21 GMT -6
For what it's worth, mlbtraderumors only has us signing Chirinos and a pitcher named Lindblom. Not exactly encouraging, but not unexpected. They predict an 8-year $265 million deal for Cole from the Angels. yeah I don't think it happens for us. But, if there was a guy to do it with, it would be Cole. Imagine a potential rotation of: Cole Verlander Greinke McCullers Urquidy Course, that didn't get us another championship this year, haha. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 13:05:31 GMT -6
i don't blame a player for wanting to get all he can while he can. I don't either. I blame owners for continuing to sign players to these ridiculous contracts...... As you should. I wish the owners would collude and refuse to deal with Boras at all so maybe some form of common sense could return to what these players are paid........ That's some totally messed up thinking. Besides being illegal, it's just plain stupid. No one holds a gun to a GM's head forcing him to sign a bad deal. It is obvious that you only want to stir the pot, but. if you really are dumb enough to believe this crap, you can't be taken serioously. By your warped way of thinking, you see nothing wrong with players and agents gouging and manipulating all of the owners to squeee every dollar out of them no matter how much the average fan will end up paying for it. When the owners pay these ridiculous salaries, they hike ticket and concession prices that hits fans in the pocketbook. You are the one whose thinking is "messed up", but, we determined that a long time ago, didn't we? There would be no way to prove any collusion on the part of the owners if it was handled right. Agents cannot force owners to pay these out-of-control salaries. Owners can agree not to pay them and there isn't a damn thing that can be done.......legally.........to prevent it. Because someone offers to sell a product doesn't mean there has to be a buyer if prices are ridiculous |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 13:10:04 GMT -6
I don't either. As you should. That's some totally messed up thinking. Besides being illegal, it's just plain stupid. No one holds a gun to a GM's head forcing him to sign a bad deal. Unless you're Peter Angelos holding a gun to your own head over Chris Davis. I still can't believe he came back to the table and offered more after walking away. That club deserves to lose 100 games
the mom of the Orioles #1 pick in 2018 is a long-time personal friend and I have held off giving her my opinion of the Orioles organization. I just told her I wish Grayson had been drafted by an better bunch. Since the Orioles are desperate for pitching, I am afraid they will rush him to the Orioles before he is ready. Angelos is the worst owner in baseball and his team is proof. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2019 13:32:21 GMT -6
I don't either. As you should. That's some totally messed up thinking. Besides being illegal, it's just plain stupid. No one holds a gun to a GM's head forcing him to sign a bad deal. It is obvious that you only want to stir the pot, but. if you really are dumb enough to believe this crap, you can't be taken serioously. By your warped way of thinking, you see nothing wrong with players and agents gouging and manipulating all of the owners to squeee every dollar out of them no matter how much the average fan will end up paying for it. When the owners pay these ridiculous salaries, they hike ticket and concession prices that hits fans in the pocketbook. You are the one whose thinking is "messed up", but, we determined that a long time ago, didn't we? There would be no way to prove any collusion on the part of the owners if it was handled right. Agents cannot force owners to pay these out-of-control salaries. Owners can agree not to pay them and there isn't a damn thing that can be done.......legally.........to prevent it. Because someone offers to sell a product doesn't mean there has to be a buyer if prices are ridiculous I can be taken seriously and I'm capable of spelling it correctly. (If you can't read between the lines, I just called you an illiterate moron. lol) Your horseshit 'solution' is for the owners to engage in illegal and unethical business practices. What a crock of shit. There's no 'right' way to 'handle' doing the wrong thing.
The solution is simple. If you don't want to overpay, don't. If you don't want someone else to overpay, get over it. It's not YOUR right to decide what they can or can't do. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 13:33:24 GMT -6
Luhnow has never offered a SP that many years in free agency or anything close to it yeah I don't think it happens for us. But, if there was a guy to do it with, it would be Cole. Imagine a potential rotation of: Cole Verlander Greinke McCullers Urquidy Course, that didn't get us another championship this year, haha. But it gains us McCullers and Sanchez in the rotation. Biagini too but he was only good for the occasional smartass joke. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2019 13:33:41 GMT -6
People need to get the hell over Boras. He is who he is, and his clients are who they are. It is an absolute joke that we still talk about Beltrán after 15 seasons. Like Bortaz said, it is “sand in vaginas” type of griping. Any one of us in Cole’s position would have Boras in their corner. No one has a vendetta against our team. That’s just how you play the contract game. QFT |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 13:36:26 GMT -6
People need to get the hell over Boras. He is who he is, and his clients are who they are. It is an absolute joke that we still talk about Beltrán after 15 seasons. Like Bortaz said, it is “sand in vaginas” type of griping. Any one of us in Cole’s position would have Boras in their corner. No one has a vendetta against our team. That’s just how you play the contract game. QFT I mean how long can people whine over the same thing that happened years ago. He never won a championship elsewhere. He came back as a shell of his former self, helped the Astros win a championship, and retired. Why isn’t that satisfying enough of a conclusion? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:36:57 GMT -6
People need to get the hell over Boras. He is who he is, and his clients are who they are. It is an absolute joke that we still talk about Beltrán after 15 seasons. Like Bortaz said, it is “sand in vaginas” type of griping. Any one of us in Cole’s position would have Boras in their corner. No one has a vendetta against our team. That’s just how you play the contract game. Baloney. Baseball is 150 years old. 15 years is a mere tick in time on that scale. I have no general quarrel with Cole, with exception of hawking his AH agent at the end. Bora$$ and his ilk OTOH, is what's 33% wrong with this game. Next time you pay $25 for a beer, and $100 for a ticket, thank the GREEDY owners, players, and agents, because their industry is the one exceeding the nation's CPI 5X the past 20 years. GEEEZ!!!! |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -6
yeah I don't think it happens for us. But, if there was a guy to do it with, it would be Cole. Imagine a potential rotation of: Cole Verlander Greinke McCullers Urquidy Course, that didn't get us another championship this year, haha. But it gains us McCullers and Sanchez in the rotation. Biagini too but he was only good for the occasional smartass joke. I didn't think Sanchez was going to be available for most of the season? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 13:42:30 GMT -6
People need to get the hell over Boras. He is who he is, and his clients are who they are. It is an absolute joke that we still talk about Beltrán after 15 seasons. Like Bortaz said, it is “sand in vaginas” type of griping. Any one of us in Cole’s position would have Boras in their corner. No one has a vendetta against our team. That’s just how you play the contract game. Baloney. Baseball is 150 years old. 15 years is a mere tick in time on that scale. I have no general quarrel with Cole, with exception of hawking his AH agent at the end. Bora$$ and his ilk OTOH, is what's 33% wrong with this game. Next time you pay $25 for a beer, and $100 for a ticket, thank the GREEDY owners, players, and agents, because their industry is the one exceeding the nation's CPI 5X the past 20 years. GEEEZ!!!! At least you got it right that all sides have their faults. The bottom line is we’re still going to watch no matter what happens so it’s futile to single out one guy or one agent who are just guilty of doing their jobs. And you have quarrel with Cole (understandably) for how he behaved after Game 7, but saying he was calling his teammates liars for refuting claims that he wanted to go back to Cali is just nitpicking. The guy is going to do what’s best for him regardless of who represents him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 13:42:52 GMT -6
But it gains us McCullers and Sanchez in the rotation. Biagini too but he was only good for the occasional smartass joke. I didn't think Sanchez was going to be available for most of the season? How injured is he? Get rid of him then. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2019 14:05:39 GMT -6
The agent doesn't exist who wouldn't pull the same "stunts" as Boras if they could do so. So you are basically saying McLane / Hunsicker were duped instead? Otherwise we'd be seeing these tactics as the norm. I don't understand why you think it's ok for the team to fleece the player, but not ok for the player to fleece the team. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 5, 2019 14:06:29 GMT -6
I know 15 years is a long time, but don't you remember us being basically awarded the Beltran contract if we ponied up a bit more..... then 30 minutes having rug pulled from beneath us? McLane / Hunsicker rightfully black listed his ass for years. I respect honorable agents who do their craft ethically. Then there is the Bora$$ sleaze factor. The agent doesn't exist who wouldn't pull the same "stunts" as Boras if they could do so. The Beltran affair only confirmed what I already knew about Borass. He takes advantage of rich guys without negotiation skills to get them to bid against themselves. Always has. He shares my disdain with Rich GMs that don't care what the customers have to pay to watch a ball game. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2019 14:07:04 GMT -6
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Post by marshall on Nov 5, 2019 14:11:40 GMT -6
So you are basically saying McLane / Hunsicker were duped instead? Otherwise we'd be seeing these tactics as the norm. I don't understand why you think it's ok for the team to fleece the player, but not ok for the player to fleece the team. I'm against BOTH fleecing the poor fans. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 14:13:35 GMT -6
It is obvious that you only want to stir the pot, but. if you really are dumb enough to believe this crap, you can't be taken serioously. By your warped way of thinking, you see nothing wrong with players and agents gouging and manipulating all of the owners to squeee every dollar out of them no matter how much the average fan will end up paying for it. When the owners pay these ridiculous salaries, they hike ticket and concession prices that hits fans in the pocketbook. You are the one whose thinking is "messed up", but, we determined that a long time ago, didn't we? There would be no way to prove any collusion on the part of the owners if it was handled right. Agents cannot force owners to pay these out-of-control salaries. Owners can agree not to pay them and there isn't a damn thing that can be done.......legally.........to prevent it. Because someone offers to sell a product doesn't mean there has to be a buyer if prices are ridiculous I can be taken seriously and I'm capable of spelling it correctly. (If you can't read between the lines, I just called you an illiterate moron. lol) Your horseshit 'solution' is for the owners to engage in illegal and unethical business practices. What a crock of shit. There's no 'right' way to 'handle' doing the wrong thing.
The solution is simple. If you don't want to overpay, don't. If you don't want someone else to overpay, get over it. It's not YOUR right to decide what they can or can't do. Thanks for continuing to prove that you are an asshole who can't distinguish between a misspelled word and a typographical error. Feel free to call me anything you come up with, you stupid SOB. You have never contributed anything worth reading here. I agree that an owner has the right to pay whatever they want to in order to sign a player just as it is your right to be an obnoxious, brainless jerk. Your horseshit idea that the players and agents have the right to demand these salaries should tell major league baseball that something LEGAL should be enacted and enforced to prevent these skyrocketing contracts from continuing to rise. There is such a thing as a salary cap that could be voted in so that there is a limit to the amount of payroll a club can carry. This would force the players to work for reasonable salaries instead of bleeding the owners and the fans foe every dime they can get. I am sure an asshole like you who is impressed with himself can come up with some bullshit argument that a salary cap would be illegal, too. I want imply anything to you....I will just come right out and call you a brainless piece of shit who is too dumb to know that he's an idiot. And this will be my last response to you. You would probably feel more at home on the Tigers forum discussing those losers and how Miguel's contract keeps them from being able to be competitive. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2019 14:30:11 GMT -6
I can be taken seriously and I'm capable of spelling it correctly. (If you can't read between the lines, I just called you an illiterate moron. lol) Your horseshit 'solution' is for the owners to engage in illegal and unethical business practices. What a crock of shit. There's no 'right' way to 'handle' doing the wrong thing. The solution is simple. If you don't want to overpay, don't. If you don't want someone else to overpay, get over it. It's not YOUR right to decide what they can or can't do. Thanks for continuing to prove that you are an asshole who can't distinguish between a misspelled word and a typographical error. Feel free to call me anything you come up with, you stupid SOB. You have never contributed anything worth reading here. I agree that an owner has the right to pay whatever they want to in order to sign a player just as it is your right to be an obnoxious, brainless jerk. Your horseshit idea that the players and agents have the right to demand these salaries should tell major league baseball that something LEGAL should be enacted and enforced to prevent these skyrocketing contracts from continuing to rise. There is such a thing as a salary cap that could be voted in so that there is a limit to the amount of payroll a club can carry. This would force the players to work for reasonable salaries instead of bleeding the owners and the fans foe every dime they can get. I am sure an asshole like you who is impressed with himself can come up with some bullshit argument that a salary cap would be illegal, too. I want imply anything to you....I will just come right out and call you a brainless piece of shit who is too dumb to know that he's an idiot. And this will be my last response to you. You would probably feel more at home on the Tigers forum discussing those losers and how Miguel's contract keeps them from being able to be competitive. You just typed your reply within the quote, moron. Try again. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 14:48:40 GMT -6
Moving right along............
I am one who thinks we definitely need to re-sign Robinson Chirinos and let Maldonado go. I would not let both of them go and depend on Stubbs and an unknown catcher to handle the catching duties. We need an experienced major league catcher and Chirinos did a good job and deserves to be re-signed.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2019 14:59:44 GMT -6
Moving right along............ I am one who thinks we definitely need to re-sign Robinson Chirinos and let Maldonado go. I would not let both of them go and depend on Stubbs and an unknown catcher to handle the catching duties. We need an experienced major league catcher and Chirinos did a good job and deserves to be re-signed. Chirinos and Maldonado aren't the only choices. The Astros don't have any leverage over either of them. FA catchers this winter: Alex Avila (33) Welington Castillo (33) Jason Castro (33) Francisco Cervelli (34) Robinson Chirinos (36) Travis d’Arnaud (31) Tim Federowicz (32) Dustin Garneau (32) Yan Gomes (32) Yasmani Grandal (31) John Hicks (30) Bryan Holaday (32) Nick Hundley (36) Chris Iannetta (37) Jonathan Lucroy (34) Martin Maldonado (33) Russell Martin (37) Austin Romine (31) Jesus Sucre (32) Blake Swihart (28) Stephen Vogt (35) Matt Wieters (34) |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 15:51:45 GMT -6
Moving right along............ I am one who thinks we definitely need to re-sign Robinson Chirinos and let Maldonado go. I would not let both of them go and depend on Stubbs and an unknown catcher to handle the catching duties. We need an experienced major league catcher and Chirinos did a good job and deserves to be re-signed. Chirinos and Maldonado aren't the only choices. The Astros don't have any leverage over either of them. FA catchers this winter: Alex Avila (33) Welington Castillo (33) Jason Castro (33) Francisco Cervelli (34) Robinson Chirinos (36) Travis d’Arnaud (31) Tim Federowicz (32) Dustin Garneau (32) Yan Gomes (32) Yasmani Grandal (31) John Hicks (30) Bryan Holaday (32) Nick Hundley (36) Chris Iannetta (37) Jonathan Lucroy (34) Martin Maldonado (33) Russell Martin (37) Austin Romine (31) Jesus Sucre (32) Blake Swihart (28) Stephen Vogt (35) Matt Wieters (34) For what he would cost, Chirinos is probably the best option. Grandal would cost too much. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -6
Unless you're Peter Angelos holding a gun to your own head over Chris Davis. I still can't believe he came back to the table and offered more after walking away. That club deserves to lose 100 games
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2019 16:04:01 GMT -6
I also get tired of people saying guys are "only playing for the money" when they go for the biggest contract. Wtf turns down extra millions? Cliff Lee turned down more money from NYY to be with the Phillies, and I think Scherzer did the same to Detroit to sign with Washington
I could be wrong about Scherzer though
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 16:08:00 GMT -6
the mom of the Orioles #1 pick in 2018 is a long-time personal friend and I have held off giving her my opinion of the Orioles organization. I just told her I wish Grayson had been drafted by an better bunch. I return politeness with politeness. Too many think if they being disagreed with is equal to being impolite. if I have been rude to you, I must have thought you deserved it. When i first showed up on the old board. I was met with hostility by a lot of people who wanted to send me to the Rangers board so I started dishing it back. Since a certain old illiterate SOB named texascolt has never shown up here, I think I have been more polite most of the time. I am plain spoken to a fault and it rubs some the wrong way. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 16:10:17 GMT -6
I also get tired of people saying guys are "only playing for the money" when they go for the biggest contract. Wtf turns down extra millions? Cliff Lee turned down more money from NYY to be with the Phillies, and I think Scherzer did the same to Detroit to sign with Washington
I could be wrong about Scherzer though
Some of them will sign for less money if they think it gives them a better chance to win or because they prefer a certain area of the country. The Astros should be popular because we have a chance to win and Texas has no state income tax.......Hopefully, it remains that way after today's election. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2019 16:21:54 GMT -6
Cliff Lee turned down more money from NYY to be with the Phillies, and I think Scherzer did the same to Detroit to sign with Washington
I could be wrong about Scherzer though
Some of them will sign for less money if they think it gives them a better chance to win or because they prefer a certain area of the country. The Astros should be popular because we have a chance to win and Texas has no state income tax.......Hopefully, it remains that way after today's election. Guys are gonna play where they and their families want to live, and most of the time it doesn't have to do with property values Cole Hamels I remember a few years ago wanted to be dealt to Arlington cause his mom lives in Dallas, for example
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2019 16:22:52 GMT -6
I remember when Matt Wieters was supposed to be the next Johnny Bench.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 5, 2019 16:37:06 GMT -6
Some of them will sign for less money if they think it gives them a better chance to win or because they prefer a certain area of the country. The Astros should be popular because we have a chance to win and Texas has no state income tax.......Hopefully, it remains that way after today's election. Guys are gonna play where they and their families want to live, and most of the time it doesn't have to do with property values Cole Hamels I remember a few years ago wanted to be dealt to Arlington cause his mom lives in Dallas, for example
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 16:38:49 GMT -6
So you are basically saying McLane / Hunsicker were duped instead? Otherwise we'd be seeing these tactics as the norm. I don't understand why you think it's ok for the team to fleece the player, but not ok for the player to fleece the team. Come on Bortaz, you know the only fleecing going on is to the fans. |
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