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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:22:44 GMT -6
you and i will never agree on this. Altuve is a great player,but, the value of a player is determined in many ways. When George is out of the lineup, the offense suffers much more than when Altuve is out. Check the wins.losses, number of runs scored, etc. George is the emotional leader of the team in the dugout, on the field, and in the clubhouse. His enthusiasm is contagious. Jose is more of a reserved leader and is valuable. But, George Springer is the face of the franchise and heart and soul of the Astros and deserves to be paid every bit as much as Altuve, if not more. Tony Kemp was the heart and soul of the franchise. Kemp was the franchise leg humper.........I see where he is going to Oakland to hump legs.......anything is acceptable in California. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:23:46 GMT -6
The people who project the A’s to finish ahead of us probably factored in the addition of Tony Kemp. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 6, 2020 13:26:18 GMT -6
The people who project the A’s to finish ahead of us probably factored in the addition of Tony Kemp. Now that Tony is finally free and can claim a starting job in Oakland, he is going to blossom into the next Joe Morgan. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 6, 2020 13:30:57 GMT -6
As far as Springer and Altuve go, since Springer entered the league, Altuve has been considerably better and way more consistent. He's been an MVP and finished in the top-20 four other times (including a top-3). Springer has finished in the top-20 twice. One of them is easily on pace for the HoF. One of them is not. And finally, one of them committed to an extension with the team years before he needed to. One of them has turned down extensions and wants to test free agency. One of them has played more than 140 games in a season 6 times... One of them has done that once.
George is a great player, but it's hard to be the face of a franchise when you're going to leave the franchise...
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:31:58 GMT -6
"Now that Tony is finally free and can claim a starting job in Oakland, he is going to blossom into the next Joe Morgan."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Comparing Tony Kemp to Joe Morgan is like comparing Mike Fiers to Nolan Ryan........a damn joke.
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 6, 2020 13:36:50 GMT -6
Some dumbasses are so gullible.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:40:42 GMT -6
As far as Springer and Altuve go, since Springer entered the league, Altuve has been considerably better and way more consistent. He's been an MVP and finished in the top-20 four other times (including a top-3). Springer has finished in the top-20 twice. One of them is easily on pace for the HoF. One of them is not. And finally, one of them committed to an extension with the team years before he needed to. One of them has turned down extensions and wants to test free agency. One of them has played more than 140 games in a season 6 times... One of them has done that once. George is a great player, but it's hard to be the face of a franchise when you're going to leave the franchise... If George leaves the franchise it will be because he has been disrespected by Luhnow and Crane. The joke salary they offered him in arbitration would have pissed anyone off who has done what he has for this team. We all know about Altuve's batting titles and his MVP and he deserved the MVP and earned the batting titles. He also has not produced at the same level since he signed the extension., His numbers have dropped the last two years. He hit . 346 in his MVP year then .316 and .,298 ib 2019, I think he can rebound, but he is in decline as it stands now. If George wants to leave..........and we don't know that he does.,........it will be the fault of Crane for not paying him what he is worth, which is every bit as much as Altuve is making. For Altuve to be paid around $8 million more than Springer is a damn joke and an insult to Springer. If he leaves, it is on Crane. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:41:34 GMT -6
Some dumbasses are so gullible. Words straight from the head dumbass., |
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 6, 2020 13:43:35 GMT -6
The dumbass still can't think for himself, has to repeat what is thrown at him.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 6, 2020 13:44:24 GMT -6
Knock that shit the f*** off. Last god damn warning for you two old motherf***ers.
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 6, 2020 13:46:50 GMT -6
Knock that shit the f*** off. Last god damn warning for you two old motherf***ers. You put up with his shit with no problem, but he can't take the heat. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 13:47:45 GMT -6
Knock that shit the f*** off. Last god damn warning for you two old motherf***ers. I will be happy to comply and I apologize for allowing myself to be baited. I don't have to say more. I think we know the facts. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 6, 2020 14:19:44 GMT -6
I can't wait for the season to start. God bless the Stros!
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Post by Saint on Feb 6, 2020 14:32:34 GMT -6
As far as Springer and Altuve go, since Springer entered the league, Altuve has been considerably better and way more consistent. He's been an MVP and finished in the top-20 four other times (including a top-3). Springer has finished in the top-20 twice. One of them is easily on pace for the HoF. One of them is not. And finally, one of them committed to an extension with the team years before he needed to. One of them has turned down extensions and wants to test free agency. One of them has played more than 140 games in a season 6 times... One of them has done that once. George is a great player, but it's hard to be the face of a franchise when you're going to leave the franchise... If George leaves the franchise it will be because he has been disrespected by Luhnow and Crane. The joke salary they offered him in arbitration would have pissed anyone off who has done what he has for this team. We all know about Altuve's batting titles and his MVP and he deserved the MVP and earned the batting titles. He also has not produced at the same level since he signed the extension., His numbers have dropped the last two years. He hit . 346 in his MVP year then .316 and .,298 ib 2019, I think he can rebound, but he is in decline as it stands now. If George wants to leave..........and we don't know that he does.,........it will be the fault of Crane for not paying him what he is worth, which is every bit as much as Altuve is making. For Altuve to be paid around $8 million more than Springer is a damn joke and an insult to Springer. If he leaves, it is on Crane. Since 2014 when George entered the league here is the comparison. You tell me who deserves more money: Player A (29yo): .327/.380/.497 .877 OPS (140 OPS+) Average season: 148 Games 94 Runs 194 Hits 19 HR 73 RBI 30/38 SB 5.9 WAR 5x AS 5x SS 1x GG 1x MVP Player B (30yo):.270/.361/.488 .849 OPS (131 OPS+) Average season: 124 Games 88 Runs 130 Hits 27 HR 71 RBI 8/13 SB 4.1 WAR 3x AS 2x SS |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 15:19:58 GMT -6
If George leaves the franchise it will be because he has been disrespected by Luhnow and Crane. The joke salary they offered him in arbitration would have pissed anyone off who has done what he has for this team. We all know about Altuve's batting titles and his MVP and he deserved the MVP and earned the batting titles. He also has not produced at the same level since he signed the extension., His numbers have dropped the last two years. He hit . 346 in his MVP year then .316 and .,298 ib 2019, I think he can rebound, but he is in decline as it stands now. If George wants to leave..........and we don't know that he does.,........it will be the fault of Crane for not paying him what he is worth, which is every bit as much as Altuve is making. For Altuve to be paid around $8 million more than Springer is a damn joke and an insult to Springer. If he leaves, it is on Crane. Since 2014 when George entered the league here is the comparison. You tell me who deserves more money: Player A (29yo): .327/.380/.497 .877 OPS (140 OPS+) Average season: 148 Games 94 Runs 194 Hits 19 HR 73 RBI 30/38 SB 5.9 WAR 5x AS 5x SS 1x GG 1x MVP Player B (30yo):.270/.361/.488 .849 OPS (131 OPS+) Average season: 124 Games 88 Runs 130 Hits 27 HR 71 RBI 8/13 SB 4.1 WAR 3x AS 2x SS i am basing my opinion on what their value is now. I have never said Altuve doesn't deserve what we pay him. But, for Springer to be offered $17.5 million in arbitration was like slapping him in the face. Frankly, I am surprised he Accepted the $21 million. We will have to pay him basically what Altuve gets or he more than likely signs with Boston now that Mookie is gone, We need to give him 5 years at $150 million if that is what it takes. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 6, 2020 15:35:30 GMT -6
Since 2014 when George entered the league here is the comparison. You tell me who deserves more money: Player A (29yo): .327/.380/.497 .877 OPS (140 OPS+) Average season: 148 Games 94 Runs 194 Hits 19 HR 73 RBI 30/38 SB 5.9 WAR 5x AS 5x SS 1x GG 1x MVP Player B (30yo):.270/.361/.488 .849 OPS (131 OPS+) Average season: 124 Games 88 Runs 130 Hits 27 HR 71 RBI 8/13 SB 4.1 WAR 3x AS 2x SS i am basing my opinion on what their value is now. I have never said Altuve doesn't deserve what we pay him. But, for Springer to be offered $17.5 million in arbitration was like slapping him in the face. Frankly, I am surprised he Accepted the $21 million. We will have to pay him basically what Altuve gets or he more than likely signs with Boston now that Mookie is gone, We need to give him 5 years at $150 million if that is what it takes. That might be what it takes to get him, but we don't need to be the ones to pay that. He isn't a $30 million a year player. That would make him the 4th highest paid position player in 2020. He has never been more than a top-7 player (for one year) by MVP voting, so why should he get paid in the top-4 for multiple years? Maybe if he was performing at this level 3-4 years ago he'd be worth that, but not when he'll enter free agency as a 31 year old. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 6, 2020 15:59:49 GMT -6
Trading Springer for a couple of prospects makes great sense. Gets us under the cap gets us another top 50 prospect and sets a pattern of trading or signing guys before letting them walk I love Springer but it’s looking like that’s the way to go. The textbook GM move is hard sometimes, especially when it comes to fan favorites like Springer Drayton took a lot of heat for dealing Hamp after he won 22 games, but he made it clear in less terms he was gonna test free agency and that's what happened |
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Post by m240 on Feb 6, 2020 17:52:20 GMT -6
I love Springer but it’s looking like that’s the way to go. The textbook GM move is hard sometimes, especially when it comes to fan favorites like Springer Drayton took a lot of heat for dealing Hamp after he won 22 games, but he made it clear in less terms he was gonna test free agency and that's what happened To anyone paying attention George is doing the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 19:39:36 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Feb 6, 2020 20:02:21 GMT -6
Brantley's replacement maybe. Eventually. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 20:32:13 GMT -6
sounds like good news to me,. Now, I want them to sign Hunter Pence and extend Springer. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 6, 2020 20:40:54 GMT -6
How much international money will we have? |
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Post by talshill on Feb 6, 2020 20:44:51 GMT -6
Brantley's replacement maybe. Eventually. Or Springer's. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 20:45:12 GMT -6
How much international money will we have? I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 6, 2020 20:45:39 GMT -6
Brantley's replacement maybe. Eventually. Or Springer's. ***** |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 7:48:22 GMT -6
How much international money will we have? I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. If they wanted someone like George, they would’ve kept Betts. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2020 8:09:24 GMT -6
I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. If they wanted someone like George, they would’ve kept Betts. Not necessarily. Betts IS a $30+ million a year player, and for a long time. Springer would be a reasonable replacement. That being said, I'm sure they intend for Verdugo to be his much more cost-effective replacement. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 7, 2020 8:17:55 GMT -6
I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. If they wanted someone like George, they would’ve kept Betts. With all of the Astros pending free agents, 2020 may be the team's best chance to go to the WS. Therefore, Springer should not be traded now. Now come trade deadline, if the Astros are not in contention for the playoffs, then yes, you trade Springer...Are there any rules on a player being traded in the season, on not being allowed to sign back with the original team once the season is over? Now, Correa on the other hand, I think if the right offer presented itself for now on him, the Astro should take it. An offer that addresses a team need now, a good SP, one with at least 3 years team control....plus get one or two good prospects... |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2020 8:23:41 GMT -6
I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. If they wanted someone like George, they would’ve kept Betts. They were trying to get under the luxury tax. Next season, they will reload. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -6
How much international money will we have? I don't know but we better be getting somebody ready to replace George because with Betts gone, Boston is going to target George. I'm looking in to it, but I am having trouble finding that number. This signing is important considering we don't have 1st and 2nd round picks in the next two drafts. This signing can be considered an alternative to our 1st or 2nd round pick this year. *EDIT* Just found the number. We have $5,398,300 for 2019. |
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