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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2020 14:40:42 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 14:47:10 GMT -6
I guess Willy Taveras was Robert E. Lee then. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 15:02:44 GMT -6
never knew that. I am sure Bortaz will start a campaign to remedy this situation.  As for Pedro Leon, one thing I like about signing him is that he is only 22 years old. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 15:29:55 GMT -6
never knew that. I am sure Bortaz will start a campaign to remedy this situation. As for Pedro Leon, one thing I like about signing him is that he is only 22 years old. Oh, so you don’t like Yuli, you ageist! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 15:36:47 GMT -6
never knew that. I am sure Bortaz will start a campaign to remedy this situation. As for Pedro Leon, one thing I like about signing him is that he is only 22 years old. Oh, so you don’t like Yuli, you ageist! I didn't say that. I just like the idea that Leon is much younger than Yuli was when we signed him. I am going to petition the Astros to play "Dixie" between innings at MMP |
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2020 15:40:48 GMT -6
I guess Willy Taveras was Robert E. Lee then. That crap was so annoying also. The % of black baseball players had gotten very low to begin with. Were we supposed to put somebody on the roster just to fulfill some kind of quota? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 15:45:50 GMT -6
I guess Willy Taveras was Robert E. Lee then. That crap was so annoying also. The % of black baseball players had gotten very low to begin with. Were we supposed to put somebody on the roster just to fulfill some kind of quota? Only a racist would sit there and count the number of anybody on the roster. Who cares? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 15:49:38 GMT -6
I guess Willy Taveras was Robert E. Lee then. That crap was so annoying also. The % of black baseball players had gotten very low to begin with. Were we supposed to put somebody on the roster just to fulfill some kind of quota? Some people think we should and thought the Astros were racists when Kemp was traded. You want the best players without paying attention to race. I worked with a basketball coach back in the 80's who made sure he had both blacks and whites on the court at the same time, If we had any Mexicans, he tried to have one of them out there, too. When he was promoted to principal, I became the head basketball coach. One night, he came running down to the bench to ask me if I realized that I had 5 black kids on the court and no whites. I told him that I never counted and played who I wanted on the court at that particular time. He was appalled and thought we'd have white parents complaining..........I never heard one word from anyone and he never pulled that on me again. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 15:50:12 GMT -6
That crap was so annoying also. The % of black baseball players had gotten very low to begin with. Were we supposed to put somebody on the roster just to fulfill some kind of quota? Only a racist would sit there and count the number of anybody on the roster. Who cares? My sentiments exactly, |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2020 17:15:11 GMT -6
Pence to the giants
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2020 17:24:10 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 17:26:21 GMT -6
So far, Hinch isn’t saying anything that’s breakthrough. He wants the players to basically follow his mea culpa lead in handling the media regarding the scandal. It’s a classy approach. His response to NY media asking about the whistling was questionable because he scoffed at them. He said he was defending his players and addressing the 2019 rumors but not 2017. I thought that was a bit iffy.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 17:39:48 GMT -6
More of him throwing himself on the grenade...
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 17:55:03 GMT -6
More of him throwing himself on the grenade... He is handling this interview with class......He blamed nobody but himself. He realizes he should have taken tbe necessary steps to stop the stuff and he failed to do so. I think he intended to protect the players to a certain extent and to set an example of how to handle the questions the media will throw at them. He will manage again somewhere and I would not be very upset if he managed the Astros again.....I don't think that will happen but it is not out of the question. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 17:56:35 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 17:57:12 GMT -6
More of him throwing himself on the grenade... He is handling this interview with class......He blamed nobody but himself. He realizes he should have taken tbe necessary steps to stop the stuff and he failed to do so. I think he intended to protect the players to a certain extent and to set an example of how to handle the questions the media will throw at them. He will manage again somewhere and I would not be very upset if he managed the Astros again.....I don't think that will happen but it is not out of the question. It’s looking like the fault is with upper management. Luhnow has looked the worst so far. They should’ve interviewed him instead. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 17:58:24 GMT -6
He needs proof. The investigation cleared us of the 2019 season activities. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 18:00:22 GMT -6
He is handling this interview with class......He blamed nobody but himself. He realizes he should have taken tbe necessary steps to stop the stuff and he failed to do so. I think he intended to protect the players to a certain extent and to set an example of how to handle the questions the media will throw at them. He will manage again somewhere and I would not be very upset if he managed the Astros again.....I don't think that will happen but it is not out of the question. It’s looking like the fault is with upper management. Luhnow has looked the worst so far. They should’ve interviewed him instead. They could have tried to interview Luhnow and he declined. i thought Hinch handled it perfectly. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -6
He needs proof. The investigation cleared us of the 2019 season activities. Just another butt hurt Yankee loser. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 7, 2020 18:59:44 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2020 20:23:37 GMT -6
So it wasn't "player-driven" after all. It was player-expanded.
This is what is concerning. This whole FO has had a streak of poor choices and weak morals. Very disappointing.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 7, 2020 21:39:48 GMT -6
This from an article posted on MLBTR a couple hours ago, giving more info on the sign-stealing program by the Astros: “The scheme is said to have been hatched before the 2017 season when the Astros analytical department cooked up a program — deemed “Codebreaker,” if you can believe it — that enabled swift sign deduction. As Diamond puts it, this “laid the groundwork” for the eventual trashcan-banging signaling effort that was utilized by Astros players, coaches, and video room staffers. “Codebreaker” was utilized in 2017 and 2018; it was deployed both in home and road contests.” This is the first I have seen indicating the sign-stealing and can banging was used on the road too. The full article here: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/02/new-details-emerge-on-astros-sign-stealing-scandal-luhnow-cheating-rumors-buzzers.html |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 7, 2020 21:57:46 GMT -6
If the info in the MLBTR article concerning the analytics department is true, Crane and Click need to drain the geek squad swamp unceremoniously out onto Crawford street.
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2020 22:03:10 GMT -6
If the info in the MLBTR article concerning the analytics department is true, Crane and Click need to drain the geek squad swamp unceremoniously out onto Crawford street. I totally agree with you there. The majority of these dudes never set foot on a baseball field. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 7, 2020 22:06:29 GMT -6
So it wasn't "player-driven" after all. It was player-expanded. This is what is concerning. This whole FO has had a streak of poor choices and weak morals. Very disappointing. Very disappointing indeed. Crane should clean house. Apparently everyone from Luhnow to the guys in the clubhouse were aware of what was going on. A dishonest environment was created in the FO. Obviously there are still employees in the FO who were active participants in the sign-stealing program. Every single one of them needs to go. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2020 22:10:17 GMT -6
So it wasn't "player-driven" after all. It was player-expanded. This is what is concerning. This whole FO has had a streak of poor choices and weak morals. Very disappointing. Very disappointing indeed. Crane should clean house. Apparently everyone from Luhnow to the guys in the clubhouse were aware of what was going on. A dishonest environment was created in the FO. Obviously there are still employees in the FO who were active participants in the sign-stealing program. Every single one of them needs to go. I couldn't agree more with you Papa. They all need to pack their crap and gtfo. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 7, 2020 22:51:55 GMT -6
Very disappointing indeed. Crane should clean house. Apparently everyone from Luhnow to the guys in the clubhouse were aware of what was going on. A dishonest environment was created in the FO. Obviously there are still employees in the FO who were active participants in the sign-stealing program. Every single one of them needs to go. I couldn't agree more with you Papa. They all need to pack their crap and gtfo. Sweep the whole damn bunch connected to the FO out the door. There were rumblings about all sorts of things going on in the front office before the sign-stealing scandal came about. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 23:32:28 GMT -6
The biggest joke of all is that Kevin Goldstein is still employed by the Astros. How can they try to “clean up their act” when they’ve got the same fool who urged scouts to cheat still on their payroll?
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 23:36:00 GMT -6
So it wasn't "player-driven" after all. It was player-expanded. This is what is concerning. This whole FO has had a streak of poor choices and weak morals. Very disappointing. I don’t know how more fans aren’t thoroughly disappointed by this as evidenced by Catfish leaving this forum and offing himself the way he did. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2020 23:51:43 GMT -6
So it wasn't "player-driven" after all. It was player-expanded. This is what is concerning. This whole FO has had a streak of poor choices and weak morals. Very disappointing. Very disappointing indeed. Crane should clean house. Apparently everyone from Luhnow to the guys in the clubhouse were aware of what was going on. A dishonest environment was created in the FO. Obviously there are still employees in the FO who were active participants in the sign-stealing program. Every single one of them needs to go. Crane looks VERY sketchy to me. Like I said, I’m not buying his “babe in the woods” act regarding “Codebreaker” and its goings on. Crane has too many Luhnow disciples working there, namely Goldstein. I don’t see why Manfred doesn’t step in and order the firings and request Click to bring on his own chosen staff. You just can’t trust Crane at this point. |
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