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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 11, 2020 18:53:22 GMT -6
By the way, some mongoloid chose #ForTheH as our team's motto this season. I just saw the motto at Astros.com. After this offseason a more appropriate motto would be #WhatTheH LMAO ***** |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 11, 2020 18:56:35 GMT -6
I just saw the motto at Astros.com. After this offseason a more appropriate motto would be #WhatTheH LMAO ***** This year is AJM. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 11, 2020 20:58:35 GMT -6
Beltran and Cora. I wonder if he taught the Yankees this "skill" while he was there. I don't know, but it's interesting since so many people said that losing Beltran was why we weren't the same team in 2018... And looking back, there were a lot of fans that said we should have brought him back for his "clubhouse influence". Haha. The article is on The Athletic now, but I'm not going to purchase a subscription. I'm sure a free version will be out soon. According to the article, Beltran told the Astros that they were behind the times with the “codebreaker” sign stealing program. He and Cora took over and had the monitor installed near the dugout with the live feed from the centerfield camera. Now I wonder how he would know that the Astros were behind the times on sign stealing. He played with the Yankees in 2014, 2015 and most of 2016 before being traded to the Rangers. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 11, 2020 21:02:32 GMT -6
By the way, some mongoloid chose #ForTheH as our team's motto this season. I just saw the motto at Astros.com. After this offseason a more appropriate motto would be #WhatTheH More like #WTF. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 11, 2020 21:03:15 GMT -6
I don't know, but it's interesting since so many people said that losing Beltran was why we weren't the same team in 2018... And looking back, there were a lot of fans that said we should have brought him back for his "clubhouse influence". Haha. The article is on The Athletic now, but I'm not going to purchase a subscription. I'm sure a free version will be out soon. According to the article, Beltran told the Astros that they were behind the times with the “codebreaker” sign stealing program. He and Cora took over and had the monitor installed near the dugout with the live feed from the centerfield camera. Now I wonder how he would know that the Astros were behind the times on sign stealing. He played with the Yankees in 2014, 2015 and most of 2016 before being traded to the Rangers. That must mean the Rangers are a cheatn. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 11, 2020 21:14:27 GMT -6
Motto should’ve been “Get your popcorn ready.”
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Post by olpapa on Feb 11, 2020 21:47:48 GMT -6
Latest from article at MLBTR:
“A scout from another team told Barry Svrluga and Dave Sheinin of the Washington Post: “It was a big open secret, really big. Throughout baseball, throughout the scouting community, for several years, not just starting in 2017. I would say probably 2016, maybe earlier, through [2019], things were going on that were blatantly against the rules.”
So now it seems the cheating continued through the 2019 season.
I wonder if the Astros will take a different approach in 2020 from the “swing for the fences with every swing” approach that they have employed for the past 3 seasons. Obviously it would be easier to be successful with that approach if your batters know what pitch is coming every time the opposing pitcher throws the ball. Maybe we will see more of a old school approach with batters focusing on making contact; going with the pitch, rather than trying to pull everything; putting runners in motion; stealing bases; etc.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 11, 2020 22:39:15 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 11, 2020 22:47:12 GMT -6
I'm not normally one for drama, but this is getting interesting. I find it hard to believe that Beltran picked up all of this completely on his own during his ONE season with us. And I'll be surprised if he takes all of this without releasing his own information. Not that it makes everything go away, but it does make me feel a little better about our homegrown guys and McCann. Surely Beltran is worrying about his HOF chances. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 11, 2020 23:39:28 GMT -6
That should be interesting. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 11, 2020 23:41:08 GMT -6
Latest from article at MLBTR: “A scout from another team told Barry Svrluga and Dave Sheinin of the Washington Post: “It was a big open secret, really big. Throughout baseball, throughout the scouting community, for several years, not just starting in 2017. I would say probably 2016, maybe earlier, through [2019], things were going on that were blatantly against the rules.” So now it seems the cheating continued through the 2019 season. I wonder if the Astros will take a different approach in 2020 from the “swing for the fences with every swing” approach that they have employed for the past 3 seasons. Obviously it would be easier to be successful with that approach if your batters know what pitch is coming every time the opposing pitcher throws the ball. Maybe we will see more of a old school approach with batters focusing on making contact; going with the pitch, rather than trying to pull everything; putting runners in motion; stealing bases; etc. I expect to see a lot less dependence on the home run. I exect more bunting, hit and run, stolen bases, etc. That is one positive I think we will see from Baker as manager. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 11, 2020 23:42:01 GMT -6
I'm not normally one for drama, but this is getting interesting. I find it hard to believe that Beltran picked up all of this completely on his own during his ONE season with us. And I'll be surprised if he takes all of this without releasing his own information. Not that it makes everything go away, but it does make me feel a little better about our homegrown guys and McCann. Surely Beltran is worrying about his HOF chances. After this, I think he can kiss the HOF goodbye, |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 12, 2020 1:33:35 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 12, 2020 6:13:27 GMT -6
I don't remember this video being posted here.....the last 10 seconds give you the best look.
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Post by Saint on Feb 12, 2020 6:35:42 GMT -6
I'm not normally one for drama, but this is getting interesting. I find it hard to believe that Beltran picked up all of this completely on his own during his ONE season with us. And I'll be surprised if he takes all of this without releasing his own information. Not that it makes everything go away, but it does make me feel a little better about our homegrown guys and McCann. Surely Beltran is worrying about his HOF chances. I'd think he have to be. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 12, 2020 11:29:13 GMT -6
I don't know, but it's interesting since so many people said that losing Beltran was why we weren't the same team in 2018... And looking back, there were a lot of fans that said we should have brought him back for his "clubhouse influence". Haha. The article is on The Athletic now, but I'm not going to purchase a subscription. I'm sure a free version will be out soon. According to the article, Beltran told the Astros that they were behind the times with the “codebreaker” sign stealing program. He and Cora took over and had the monitor installed near the dugout with the live feed from the centerfield camera. Now I wonder how he would know that the Astros were behind the times on sign stealing. He played with the Yankees in 2014, 2015 and most of 2016 before being traded to the Rangers. |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 12, 2020 13:11:39 GMT -6
According to the article, Beltran told the Astros that they were behind the times with the “codebreaker” sign stealing program. He and Cora took over and had the monitor installed near the dugout with the live feed from the centerfield camera. Now I wonder how he would know that the Astros were behind the times on sign stealing. He played with the Yankees in 2014, 2015 and most of 2016 before being traded to the Rangers. No, their fans have been such arrogant pricks. I want it all to come to light. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 12, 2020 14:20:23 GMT -6
It's interesting that ESPN hasn't ran with this Beltran news yet. And they're downplaying Boston's cheating as well.
Probably most of us are not entirely surprised.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 12, 2020 14:49:11 GMT -6
It's interesting that ESPN hasn't ran with this Beltran news yet. And they're downplaying Boston's cheating as well. Probably most of us are not entirely surprised. It’s simply laziness to not go after those teams. That or they don’t want to do it. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 12, 2020 15:18:11 GMT -6
It's interesting that ESPN hasn't ran with this Beltran news yet. And they're downplaying Boston's cheating as well. Probably most of us are not entirely surprised. It’s simply laziness to not go after those teams. That or they don’t want to do it. I think MLB and associated organizations would have to be pretty nervous if there were to be investigations into some of these storied franchises. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 12, 2020 15:25:48 GMT -6
It’s simply laziness to not go after those teams. That or they don’t want to do it. I think MLB and associated organizations would have to be pretty nervous if there were to be investigations into some of these storied franchises. Babe Ruth is long dead. Lou Gehrig is mouldering in his grave. These current dudes attended high school with you. They are not "storied". The age of the franchise shouldn't have anything to do with determining whether the modern team cheated. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 12, 2020 15:30:21 GMT -6
I think MLB and associated organizations would have to be pretty nervous if there were to be investigations into some of these storied franchises. Babe Ruth is long dead. Lou Gehrig is mouldering in his grave. These current dudes attended high school with you. They are not "storied". The age of the franchise shouldn't have anything to do with determining whether the modern team cheated. I was just using it as a descriptive term. I agree that age or success of a franchise shouldn't have anything to do with investigations. But money matters. And the "storied" franchises typically have more money and are associated with organizations that have a lot of money. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 12, 2020 16:05:52 GMT -6
It's interesting that ESPN hasn't ran with this Beltran news yet. And they're downplaying Boston's cheating as well. Probably most of us are not entirely surprised. Not at all surprising. They will downplay anything found against the Red Sox or Yankees. The Astros are guilty because we beat both of them so they don't care about anything else as long as we are punished. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 12, 2020 16:07:28 GMT -6
It's interesting that ESPN hasn't ran with this Beltran news yet. And they're downplaying Boston's cheating as well. Probably most of us are not entirely surprised. It’s simply laziness to not go after those teams. That or they don’t want to do it. They don't want to find anything on Boston or NY because they might have to deal with it. |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 12, 2020 16:08:31 GMT -6
"But money matters. And the "storied" franchises typically have more money and are associated with organizations that have a lot of money."
Which is why they went after the Astros. They were costing the league money. I'm not happy that they cheated but if you're going to lower the boom, then it should be done to all the teams that cheated.
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Post by talshill on Feb 12, 2020 16:42:45 GMT -6
"But money matters. And the "storied" franchises typically have more money and are associated with organizations that have a lot of money." Which is why they went after the Astros. They were costing the league money. I'm not happy that they cheated but if you're going to lower the boom, then it should be done to all the teams that cheated. Pretty much. On the other hand, the Astros scandal has brought mucho publicity to the league and as Phineas Barnum once said, "There is no such thing as bad publicity". It's kept people engaged about baseball all winter. So the league will ultimately profit from the confusion while the Astros pay the bill. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 12, 2020 17:50:44 GMT -6
"But money matters. And the "storied" franchises typically have more money and are associated with organizations that have a lot of money." Which is why they went after the Astros. They were costing the league money. I'm not happy that they cheated but if you're going to lower the boom, then it should be done to all the teams that cheated. Mom,. you nailed it again. The Astros knocking the Yankees and Red Sox out was bad for TV ratings and sponsors. How dare the backwoods Astros knock out the big boys so now we pay for it while Manfred doesn't have the guts to come down hard on Boston or investigate the Yankees. I wonder what sign-stealing scheme the Yankees used when Beltran was there. I am not at all happy that we cheated and we deserve our punishment but we are not the only guilty parties here,but, Manfred wants it to end with the Astros. |
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Post by talshill on Feb 12, 2020 17:53:37 GMT -6
I agree. That's what I told Sherwin the other day. Crane can't fire them all, two weeks before the season starts. You have to have a front office. There are usually a few token firings/arrests (i use the example of Enron...the corruption there ran deep, but only a few tokens were arrested). They will fire those most involved, a piece at a time. But I bet they won't fire them ALL, because they liked the results (even if they can't admit it). There was a time a while ago where I took over an operation where the Division Manager was someone who lacked moral fiber. He had stolen a lot of money from the company and there were several folks who assisted him. It was questionable whether the assistance was intentional, a twisted thought process similar to an abused spouse, or just a blind obedience to authority. It took a while to sort though who fell into each category. All were terminated but were handled differently. It took less than 90 days and everyone was gone and replaced with someone untarnished by the scandal. If it is all done at the same time then it makes the press as another big deal. If it is done piecemeal then it can be spun as a shake up due to new management and a shift in strategy. My guess is that in 90 days we will hire new scouts and new front office folks and we will hear about our GM putting his brand on the front office. I've been involved in and know some people who have been involved in big money enterprise and I can tell you from those experiences that any time big money is involved people will take shortcuts, steal, obfuscate, prevaricate, conspire, evade, etc. Their thought process is that you can keep your morality, they'll take the money. Read about Milken and Boesky. |
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Post by m240 on Feb 12, 2020 18:26:17 GMT -6
There was a time a while ago where I took over an operation where the Division Manager was someone who lacked moral fiber. He had stolen a lot of money from the company and there were several folks who assisted him. It was questionable whether the assistance was intentional, a twisted thought process similar to an abused spouse, or just a blind obedience to authority. It took a while to sort though who fell into each category. All were terminated but were handled differently. It took less than 90 days and everyone was gone and replaced with someone untarnished by the scandal. If it is all done at the same time then it makes the press as another big deal. If it is done piecemeal then it can be spun as a shake up due to new management and a shift in strategy. My guess is that in 90 days we will hire new scouts and new front office folks and we will hear about our GM putting his brand on the front office. I've been involved in and know some people who have been involved in big money enterprise and I can tell you from those experiences that any time big money is involved people will take shortcuts, steal, obfuscate, prevaricate, conspire, evade, etc. Their thought process is that you can keep your morality, they'll take the money. Read about Milken and Boesky. You hit that nail on the head. It seems like I spent the major part of my work life cleaning up after other people's messes. Right when I had things running the way I wanted poof, I am off to the next plane crash. Even though it paid well in the end it proven to be too frustrating to continue so I started my own business and after running that for 15 years I decided to retire. Now I have gone back to working but just part time, but part time for me is still about 40 hours a week. Seems like half stepping. It has slowed down my posting. Been hard to even talk to olpapa about the kids coming up. Been meaning to ask him about Jojanse Torres. I am thinking he will make quite a splash this year. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 12, 2020 18:45:11 GMT -6
I've been involved in and know some people who have been involved in big money enterprise and I can tell you from those experiences that any time big money is involved people will take shortcuts, steal, obfuscate, prevaricate, conspire, evade, etc. Their thought process is that you can keep your morality, they'll take the money. Read about Milken and Boesky. You hit that nail on the head. It seems like I spent the major part of my work life cleaning up after other people's messes. Right when I had things running the way I wanted poof, I am off to the next plane crash. Even though it paid well in the end it proven to be too frustrating to continue so I started my own business and after running that for 15 years I decided to retire. Now I have gone back to working but just part time, but part time for me is still about 40 hours a week. Seems like half stepping. It has slowed down my posting. Been hard to even talk to olpapa about the kids coming up. Been meaning to ask him about Jojanse Torres. I am thinking he will make quite a splash this year. I’m keeping an eye on Jojanse Torres and Shawn Dubin. |
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