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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 9:01:12 GMT -6
All that’s missing to enrage people is for Trump to put on the H-star cap.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 20, 2020 9:37:10 GMT -6
All that’s missing to enrage people is for Trump to put on the H-star cap. That would be the cherry |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 20, 2020 9:56:21 GMT -6
All that’s missing to enrage people is for Trump to put on the H-star cap. I would LOVE that. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 20, 2020 10:01:16 GMT -6
I still think the Astros 2020 motto should be, “Shove this up their asterisk,” displayed with a picture of the 2020 WS Championship trophy.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 20, 2020 10:05:46 GMT -6
I think, to me, the saddest part of this whole fiasco is that it's probably going to keep Altuve out of the HOF regardless of how well he plays from now on.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 20, 2020 10:24:36 GMT -6
It's becoming more and more apparent that a large part of the media-driven outrage is the audacity of a middle-America team to take a system which had been in place for a long time and use it better than the ones who invented it. In doing so, they brought their team to edge of being a dynasty and that cannot be allowed to happen. What's even worse, that formerly also-ran team knew they were better than the sacred cows of baseball and let them know about it. How dare the Astros, a team which hadn't done a whole lot for 50 years, rise to eclipse the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox. To make matters worse, they weren't the Royals, who rose briefly, won a championship, and then plummeted back down to where they belonged. No, this brash young group of Astros showed every sign of being able to maintain their dominance for the foreseeable future. The people who hated the Astros for rising to the top of the game by beating their sacred teams now had an excuse to unleash all the invective they had stored. "Aha! They weren't really better than us, it was all because they cheated!" Look, what the Astros did was wrong. They cheated, Fiers took his ounce of revenge for sucking so bad he was left out of the playoffs, and they've been punished. I hate that it happened. It's endemic in MLB and the hypocrisy of the media and other fan bases just makes me want to vomit. You summed it up perfectly. The Astros had the audacity to beat the big boys at their own game. I haven't seen it stated any plainer. This whole mess happened because the gutless Fiers had to have revenge and we beat the damn Yankees three times in a row. Large market teams own Manfred so don't expect the Red Sox to be punished too severely and they don't have the balls to even investigate the Yankees or Dodgers. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 20, 2020 10:26:31 GMT -6
All that’s missing to enrage people is for Trump to put on the H-star cap. I don't know.....a lot of people I know would support the Astros or increase their support because of a Trump cap. I wish I had one. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 10:28:53 GMT -6
I think, to me, the saddest part of this whole fiasco is that it's probably going to keep Altuve out of the HOF regardless of how well he plays from now on. He’s going to be the modern day Shoeless Joe. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 10:29:34 GMT -6
I think, to me, the saddest part of this whole fiasco is that it's probably going to keep Altuve out of the HOF regardless of how well he plays from now on. Nah, he may not get as many votes as he would have, but, if he stays clean after this and puts together another really good 3-5 seasons, he should be fine. It helps that Correa spoke up for him, and I bet more details will come out that help his case as well. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 20, 2020 10:32:28 GMT -6
I think, to me, the saddest part of this whole fiasco is that it's probably going to keep Altuve out of the HOF regardless of how well he plays from now on. Nah, he may not get as many votes as he would have, but, if he stays clean after this and puts together another really good 3-5 seasons, he should be fine. It helps that Correa spoke up for him, and I bet more details will come out that help his case as well. I wonder if Beltran and Cora will have the integrity to confirm what Correa said about Altuve. Fiers did not. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 10:33:04 GMT -6
Nah, he may not get as many votes as he would have, but, if he stays clean after this and puts together another really good 3-5 seasons, he should be fine. It helps that Correa spoke up for him, and I bet more details will come out that help his case as well. I wonder if Beltran and Cora will have the integrity to confirm what Correa said about Altuve. Fiers did not. Piece of garbage that Fiers is. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 10:34:03 GMT -6
Nah, he may not get as many votes as he would have, but, if he stays clean after this and puts together another really good 3-5 seasons, he should be fine. It helps that Correa spoke up for him, and I bet more details will come out that help his case as well. I wonder if Beltran and Cora will have the integrity to confirm what Correa said about Altuve. Fiers did not. I'm very surprised Beltran hasn't released anything yet. In any case, it would be a minimum of a decade before Altuve would even be eligible, and that would be if he retired as soon as his contract extension is up. It's probably 13-14 years away at least. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 10:35:46 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 10:37:24 GMT -6
I think, to me, the saddest part of this whole fiasco is that it's probably going to keep Altuve out of the HOF regardless of how well he plays from now on. He’s going to be the modern day Shoeless Joe. Joe continues to gain sympathy and will likely make it here pretty soon, somehow. If Altuve gets 2500+ Hits 400+ SB 200+ HRs and hits .300 for his career, he'll make it in the HoF. Maybe not first ballot, but he'll get in there. Especially if more people back up Correa's claims. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 20, 2020 10:50:46 GMT -6
Nah, he may not get as many votes as he would have, but, if he stays clean after this and puts together another really good 3-5 seasons, he should be fine. It helps that Correa spoke up for him, and I bet more details will come out that help his case as well. I wonder if Beltran and Cora will have the integrity to confirm what Correa said about Altuve. Fiers did not. If it will help Cora and Beltran cover their own asses they will confirm it. Fiers didn't have any balls which is the main reason the Astros dumped him. He has proven us right many times over. He talks the talk........let's see how he walks the walk.......He has a day of reckoning ahead of his spineless ass. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 20, 2020 10:51:41 GMT -6
I predict that SOB lives to regret saying that. |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 20, 2020 11:20:00 GMT -6
The best retaliation will be for the Astros to win it all this coming season. They can tell all the haters to kiss their ass.
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 11:57:51 GMT -6
The best retaliation will be for the Astros to win it all this coming season. They can tell all the haters to kiss their ass. It would arguably be even sweeter than the first. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 20, 2020 12:05:22 GMT -6
The best retaliation will be for the Astros to win it all this coming season. They can tell all the haters to kiss their ass. It would arguably be even sweeter than the first. No argument. It absolutely would, because the first one is forever tainted. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 20, 2020 12:15:08 GMT -6
The best retaliation will be for the Astros to win it all this coming season. They can tell all the haters to kiss their ass. you are right.........I would love to see that and then listen for all the excuses from the usual group of losers. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 12:18:08 GMT -6
It would arguably be even sweeter than the first. No argument. It absolutely would, because the first one is forever tainted. It's not tainted for me. My opinions on some of the individual players' seasons number is lesser (like Marwin), but I still think they win that WS anyways. I honestly don't believe it influenced the postseason, and I don't think it made enough of a difference to affect the outcome of the divisional race that year when you see how far away 2nd place was. The only thing that it might have affected would have been our playoff seed which could have had us play Game 7 of the ALCS in NYC. We'll never know if that's true or if we wouldn't have won that game anyways. I'm only going to view our championship as tainted if it gets nulled and other past winners have their's nulled when they used PED-users on their teams. |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 20, 2020 12:53:22 GMT -6
It would arguably be even sweeter than the first. No argument. It absolutely would, because the first one is forever tainted. When this first came out, I was upset and felt it was tainted. I don't see it that way any longer. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 20, 2020 13:10:45 GMT -6
It would arguably be even sweeter than the first. No argument. It absolutely would, because the first one is forever tainted. It's not tainted to me. How sweet it is... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 13:44:21 GMT -6
He’s going to be the modern day Shoeless Joe. Joe continues to gain sympathy and will likely make it here pretty soon, somehow. If Altuve gets 2500+ Hits 400+ SB 200+ HRs and hits .300 for his career, he'll make it in the HoF. Maybe not first ballot, but he'll get in there. Especially if more people back up Correa's claims. Who do you think gets in first, Palmeiro or Rose? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 13:45:40 GMT -6
Without the sign stealing, I think the Astros and Dodgers could’ve gone either way. That’s why I don’t think the Dodgers were robbed.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 20, 2020 13:46:19 GMT -6
Well, of course it's not tainted for Astros loyalists (except Bannedfan). I meant generally seen as tainted.
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 13:48:16 GMT -6
Joe continues to gain sympathy and will likely make it here pretty soon, somehow. If Altuve gets 2500+ Hits 400+ SB 200+ HRs and hits .300 for his career, he'll make it in the HoF. Maybe not first ballot, but he'll get in there. Especially if more people back up Correa's claims. Who do you think gets in first, Palmeiro or Rose? Neither. I think Rose will never get in unless he saves a bus filled with kids. Everybody has forgotten about Palmeiro, mostly like people forgot about him when he was a player (which is why he was only a 4-time AS in 20 seasons or finished higher than top-5 in MVP voting). Always a star but never a superstar. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 20, 2020 13:49:06 GMT -6
Who do you think gets in first, Palmeiro or Rose? Neither. I think Rose will never get in unless he saves a bus filled with kids. Everybody has forgotten about Palmeiro, mostly like people forgot about him when he was a player (which is why he was only a 4-time AS in 20 seasons or finished higher than top-5 in MVP voting). Always a star but never a superstar. Yeah, but 3,000 hits and 500 bombs... |
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Post by Saint on Feb 20, 2020 13:51:16 GMT -6
Neither. I think Rose will never get in unless he saves a bus filled with kids. Everybody has forgotten about Palmeiro, mostly like people forgot about him when he was a player (which is why he was only a 4-time AS in 20 seasons or finished higher than top-5 in MVP voting). Always a star but never a superstar. Yeah, but 3,000 hits and 500 bombs... Oh I'm nto saying he isn't deserving. Those 1800+ RBI is super impressive. But nobody talks or cares about him anymore. There are no supporters trying to get him in like with Santo. Maybe the Veteran's Committee in a decade or so revisits it. |
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 20, 2020 14:26:00 GMT -6
Well, of course it's not tainted for Astros loyalists (except Bannedfan). I meant generally seen as tainted. I don't give a shit what others think. They don't matter. |
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