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Post by Saint on Nov 6, 2019 16:03:26 GMT -6
Those of you wanting us to pursue Rendon, look at this from Passan: He has one breakout season, and he expects 5/$200M? ($40M annually) No thanks..... Nah it's not just one breakout season though. Over his last 4 seasons you're lucking at a .299 hitter with a .912 OPS who averaged 26 HR 101 RBI 94 Runs 42 Doubles, with mostly very very good defense. And he hit .328 with a 1.000 OPS in the postseason this year. For a shorter contract like that, it makes sense to pay the higher AAV. Supposedly he has said he doesn't want to play until old age so a shorter contract makes sense. He wants to make his mark, get his nut, and go out on top. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 6, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -6
It may have been a breakout year as far as totals go, but Rendon has been putting up elite percentages (especially the highly coveted high OBP) for three years now. And with defense factored in, he has been an all-star caliber player five out of the last six seasons.
And you can't compare the annual salary of a short contract and a longer term contract. One makes less annually because of age and health factored in.
That being said, $40 million a season for five years seems like too much. I could see 3 MAYBE 4 at best at that rate for a win now team that needs a 3B.
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Post by m240 on Nov 6, 2019 16:56:14 GMT -6
I would pass on Rendon.
Now 40 million a year for Cole on a short deal I would think long and hard about.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 6, 2019 17:12:22 GMT -6
I would pass on Rendon. Now 40 million a year for Cole on a short deal I would think long and hard about. I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 6, 2019 17:41:31 GMT -6
I would pass on Rendon. Now 40 million a year for Cole on a short deal I would think long and hard about. I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Yeah, but Cole wouldn't. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 6, 2019 17:55:33 GMT -6
I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Yeah, but Cole wouldn't. I figure he wants 5-7 years at that rate. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 6, 2019 18:42:50 GMT -6
Wilson Defensive Team of the Year: Houston Astros
Wilson Defensive Pitcher of the Year: Zack Greinke
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 6, 2019 20:11:29 GMT -6
I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Yeah, but Cole wouldn't. I am torn on Cole. I know he is worth the money, but man! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 6, 2019 20:32:28 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 6, 2019 21:10:26 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor. I get what you are saying, but imagine how lopsided it would be if the Yankees and Dodgers had no salary cap. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 2:28:52 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor. (Double face palm). $1000 ticket prices, here we come. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 7, 2019 4:17:43 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor. I get what you are saying, but imagine how lopsided it would be if the Yankees and Dodgers had no salary cap. Imagine a world where there is only one competitive team. Just imagine if baseball were like the Harlem Globetrotters having to hire the Generals because there are no other opponents. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 5:03:54 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor. I get what you are saying, but imagine how lopsided it would be if the Yankees and Dodgers had no salary cap. I get the soft cap for the purposes of team parity, but something seems a tad off for penalizing a team for trying to remain competitive. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 5:04:38 GMT -6
Baseball shouldn’t have a salary cap. It should have a salary floor. (Double face palm). $1000 ticket prices, here we come. It’s where they’re headed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 7:47:33 GMT -6
(Double face palm). $1000 ticket prices, here we come. It’s where they’re headed. And with your proposed "Salary Floor", you're okay with that? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 7:48:57 GMT -6
I get what you are saying, but imagine how lopsided it would be if the Yankees and Dodgers had no salary cap. Imagine a world where there is only one competitive team. Just imagine if baseball were like the Harlem Globetrotters having to hire the Generals because there are no other opponents. You mean like the NE Patriots, and recently the Golden State Warriors? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 7, 2019 8:18:04 GMT -6
It’s where they’re headed. And with your proposed "Salary Floor", you're okay with that? There should be both....plus also the ability to trade draft picks |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 8:31:01 GMT -6
And with your proposed "Salary Floor", you're okay with that? There should be both....plus also the ability to trade draft picks Im fine with that. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 8:32:52 GMT -6
It’s where they’re headed. And with your proposed "Salary Floor", you're okay with that? Not totally okay but I’m a little tired of teams with their minimum payroll trying to convince fans to come out to the ballpark. Imagine if teams like the A’s and Rays actually spent money. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2019 10:07:02 GMT -6
Since we want a cap on how much players can make, do we also insist on a limit to how much owners can make?
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 10:09:01 GMT -6
And with your proposed "Salary Floor", you're okay with that? Not totally okay but I’m a little tired of teams with their minimum payroll trying to convince fans to come out to the ballpark. Imagine if teams like the A’s and Rays actually spent money. I think some sort of salary cap needs to be put in so teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can't buy a title. I am not sure how it needs to be constructed, but, it need to be in effect. This crap of one player making $40 million or more per year is absurd. These salaries keep going up and so do ticket prices, concessions, merchandise so the revenue can be available to keep these players. I do believe that years of major league experience should play a role in determining salaries as well as the numbers they put up. There needs to be parity to some extent and a salary cap would go a long way toward making it happen. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 10:21:02 GMT -6
I would pass on Rendon. Now 40 million a year for Cole on a short deal I would think long and hard about. I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Luhnow skeets for SP deals like that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. Ownership and management need to end this farce saying we're making a run at Cole because they're not being serious If they were they would've extended him while he was under contract
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2019 10:26:34 GMT -6
Not totally okay but I’m a little tired of teams with their minimum payroll trying to convince fans to come out to the ballpark. Imagine if teams like the A’s and Rays actually spent money. I think some sort of salary cap needs to be put in so teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can't buy a title. There has never been a salary cap. When was the last time either of these teams "bought a title"? Yankees haven't won a title since 2009. That's 10 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. Dodgers haven't won a title since 1988. That's 31 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 10:32:05 GMT -6
I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Luhnow skeets for SP deals like that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. Ownership and management need to end this farce saying we're making a run at Cole because they're not being serious If they were they would've extended him while he was under contract
Crane saying they are seriously golng after Cole reminds me of when Drayton McLane used to lie about "making us a champion" while he dumped salaries and refused to pay most of his players......He managed to keep Biggio and Bagwell to keep the fans from totally turning on him. He was a snake oil salesman. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 10:34:36 GMT -6
I think some sort of salary cap needs to be put in so teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can't buy a title. There has never been a salary cap. When was the last time either of these teams "bought a title"? Yankees haven't won a title since 2009. That's 10 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. Dodgers haven't won a title since 1988. That's 31 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. It ain't because they haven't tried to buy one. They haven't done a very good job of knowing where to spend the money. If the Yankees knew how to spend money, they would not have had a starting rotation that basically didn't exist. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 10:37:45 GMT -6
If Cole's price were to drop like recent Boras clients have seen their free agency years overvalued by the market, then we can get serious Until then, this is like Drayton not picking up Kent's option, and Purpura saying after we're still trying to sign him
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 10:41:40 GMT -6
I would go 2 yrs for $40 million a year on Cole Luhnow skeets for SP deals like that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. Ownership and management need to end this farce saying we're making a run at Cole because they're not being serious If they were they would've extended him while he was under contract
Cole was always going to test free agency. Springer is the bigger shame. They’ve had five years to extend that guy past the team control years. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 10:43:35 GMT -6
I'm sure they will try. They'll put out a good offer. They're just not going to go into a bidding war and get stupid with it. I think they realize they HAVE to try from a fan standpoint.
But they don't have to try super hard.
They need to be able to say, "Yeah, we offered him a 6-year deal at $220 million. It's the biggest deal we've ever offered and would have set records for a pitcher. Unfortunately, there were a couple others teams that were able to do a little more and we're just not there with our current roster needs/payroll."
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 10:44:49 GMT -6
Luhnow skeets for SP deals like that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. Ownership and management need to end this farce saying we're making a run at Cole because they're not being serious If they were they would've extended him while he was under contract
Cole was always going to rest free agency. Springer is the bigger shame. They’ve had five years to extend that guy past the team control years. Springer wants to be a free agent also. I have zero doubt they've had discussions with him about extensions. They wouldn't move forward with Bregman and Altuve and skip over Springer. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 10:46:55 GMT -6
If Cole's price were to drop like recent Boras clients have seen their free agency years overvalued by the market, then we can get serious Until then, this is like Drayton not picking up Kent's option, and Purpura saying after we're still trying to sign him
To replace Hunsicker with an idiot like Purpura showed Drayton didn't care. Drayton was envious because Hunsicker got too much credit for building the team |
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