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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 10:48:53 GMT -6
Luhnow skeets for SP deals like that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen. Ownership and management need to end this farce saying we're making a run at Cole because they're not being serious If they were they would've extended him while he was under contract
Cole was always going to rest free agency. Springer is the bigger shame. They’ve had five years to extend that guy past the team control years. And Springer will cost them more because they waited. I never understood extending Bregman before Springer.........George is worth as much as Bregman or Altuve. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 10:52:25 GMT -6
There has never been a salary cap. When was the last time either of these teams "bought a title"? Yankees haven't won a title since 2009. That's 10 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. Dodgers haven't won a title since 1988. That's 31 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. It ain't because they haven't tried to buy one. They haven't done a very good job of knowing where to spend the money. If the Yankees knew how to spend money, they would not have had a starting rotation that basically didn't exist. He raises a good point, though. Money hasn’t made the Yankees or Dodgers better, and they have GDP-sized payrolls. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 10:54:11 GMT -6
With as big as our payroll is now, we can't criticize the Yankees and Dodgers. They're spending more, but not that much more.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 10:55:24 GMT -6
With as big as our payroll is now, we can't criticize the Yankees and Dodgers. They're spending more, but not that much more. The cheaper way to get a great team is to tank and amass great draft picks and hopefully cash in, but none of us want to see that again. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 10:56:58 GMT -6
With as big as our payroll is now, we can't criticize the Yankees and Dodgers. They're spending more, but not that much more. The cheaper way to get a great team is to tank and amass great draft picks and hopefully cash in, but none of us want to see that again. If we don't get some pitching and OF prospects ready over the next year or so, we're going to be in a little trouble. We can't continue to pay veterans $20+ million a year to fill holes. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 10:58:06 GMT -6
They need to be able to say, "Yeah, we offered him a 6-year deal at $220 million. It's the biggest deal we've ever offered and would have set records for a pitcher. It'd be nice if ownership came back and say they did that. I'm not sure I'd believe em though since they've been pretty clear about not hyperdriving past the luxury tax threshold
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 11:28:25 GMT -6
They need to be able to say, "Yeah, we offered him a 6-year deal at $220 million. It's the biggest deal we've ever offered and would have set records for a pitcher. It'd be nice if ownership came back and say they did that. I'm not sure I'd believe em though since they've been pretty clear about not hyperdriving past the luxury tax threshold
Crane has repeatedly surprised me by being pretty true to his word most of the time. While I don't look down on Drayton as much as many seem to, I never did really believe him much after a while. Crane, from what I remember, has been pretty consistent with his actions though. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 12:13:09 GMT -6
The cheaper way to get a great team is to tank and amass great draft picks and hopefully cash in, but none of us want to see that again. If we don't get some pitching and OF prospects ready over the next year or so, we're going to be in a little trouble. We can't continue to pay veterans $20+ million a year to fill holes. At the time we traded prospects to pick up pitchers, I am not sure we looked that far ahead......We had over-valued guys like Tyler White and Derek Fisher and that hurt. You won't be right on evaluating every player and we made big mistakes with those two. Luhnow also been taken in a trade or two. Losing Hader in a deal for Gomez and Fiers is an example. But, he unloaded Josh Fields and got Yordan Alvarez in return and Giles and we got Osuna in return. Luhnow definitely won those two deals. I also think we need to give Aaron Sanchez a better look before writing him off. While we were extending Altuve and Bregman, we needed to have included Springer. I also think Correa is butt hurt because he was not offered a long-term deal when Altuve and Bregman were...That may have created some of his 'issues'. Not locking down Springer already was a mistake that could come back and bite us. We need to get that done prior to ST and before committing more money to free agents. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 13:03:39 GMT -6
I think some sort of salary cap needs to be put in so teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can't buy a title. There has never been a salary cap. When was the last time either of these teams "bought a title"? Yankees haven't won a title since 2009. That's 10 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. Dodgers haven't won a title since 1988. That's 31 years of no salary cap, but no bought titles. Excellent post.
I think the most of the owners would be on-board with a hard cap but the present system does funnel quite a bit of money into the 'poor' teams.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 13:15:34 GMT -6
I'm sure they will try. They'll put out a good offer. They're just not going to go into a bidding war and get stupid with it. I think they realize they HAVE to try from a fan standpoint. But they don't have to try super hard. They need to be able to say, "Yeah, we offered him a 6-year deal at $220 million. It's the biggest deal we've ever offered and would have set records for a pitcher. Unfortunately, there were a couple others teams that were able to do a little more and we're just not there with our current roster needs/payroll." Why do they need to say something like that? I see the Astros as being the kind of organization that would avoid big contracts that go more than three years or so. For longer terms, they'd focus on extending arb guys into their FA years at a reasonable annual salary. Not for big money deals.
Being competitive in baseball is cyclical. Committing to heavy spending over a long term handcuffs a team when it comes time to retool or rebuild.
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Post by marshall on Nov 7, 2019 13:24:11 GMT -6
Not totally okay but I’m a little tired of teams with their minimum payroll trying to convince fans to come out to the ballpark. Imagine if teams like the A’s and Rays actually spent money. I think some sort of salary cap needs to be put in so teams like the Yankees and Dodgers can't buy a title. I am not sure how it needs to be constructed, but, it need to be in effect. This crap of one player making $40 million or more per year is absurd. These salaries keep going up and so do ticket prices, concessions, merchandise so the revenue can be available to keep these players. I do believe that years of major league experience should play a role in determining salaries as well as the numbers they put up. There needs to be parity to some extent and a salary cap would go a long way toward making it happen. Every player who considers themselves woke should happily agree to have 90% of their salary earmarked for minor league players salaries. Otherwise, they really aren't woke. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 13:31:01 GMT -6
Every player who considers themselves woke should happily agree to have 90% of their salary earmarked for minor league players salaries. Otherwise, they really aren't woke. I'd have no problem sleeping through that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 13:48:39 GMT -6
Every player who considers themselves woke should happily agree to have 90% of their salary earmarked for minor league players salaries. Otherwise, they really aren't woke. I'd have no problem sleeping through that. Still, players and owners should be ponying up some kind of surcharge (set percentage) so that MiLb has a living wage. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 7, 2019 14:06:24 GMT -6
When you give your own money to the poor, it's charity. When you pass a tax to "give" to the poor, it's theft.
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 14:16:52 GMT -6
I'm sure they will try. They'll put out a good offer. They're just not going to go into a bidding war and get stupid with it. I think they realize they HAVE to try from a fan standpoint. But they don't have to try super hard. They need to be able to say, "Yeah, we offered him a 6-year deal at $220 million. It's the biggest deal we've ever offered and would have set records for a pitcher. Unfortunately, there were a couple others teams that were able to do a little more and we're just not there with our current roster needs/payroll." Why do they need to say something like that? I see the Astros as being the kind of organization that would avoid big contracts that go more than three years or so. For longer terms, they'd focus on extending arb guys into their FA years at a reasonable annual salary. Not for big money deals.
Being competitive in baseball is cyclical. Committing to heavy spending over a long term handcuffs a team when it comes time to retool or rebuild.
Well, technically they don't NEED to from a sense that nobody NEEDS to do anything, but if they want to appease the fanbase, they need to make that type of gesture even if it is moderately hollow. I'm not saying they need to spend the money. I'm saying they need to make the offer just from an appearances standpoint. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 14:18:57 GMT -6
Again, lower tier minor league players know what they're getting in to. They accept the job in the hopes of making it big. If they want to try and make more money, they can go get different jobs. Why should major league players give the minor league players anything? Does anybody here give their entry-level coworkers part of their own salaries?
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 14:19:29 GMT -6
I'd have no problem sleeping through that. Still, players and owners should be ponying up some kind of surcharge (set percentage) so that MiLb has a living wage. I'm not sure what mechanism needs to be in place to funnel a tiny portion of MLB money into MiLB but it seems a little would go a long way. But it gets kinda messy when it comes to where the money comes from and exactly where it goes. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 14:21:37 GMT -6
Why do they need to say something like that? I see the Astros as being the kind of organization that would avoid big contracts that go more than three years or so. For longer terms, they'd focus on extending arb guys into their FA years at a reasonable annual salary. Not for big money deals.
Being competitive in baseball is cyclical. Committing to heavy spending over a long term handcuffs a team when it comes time to retool or rebuild.
Well, technically they don't NEED to from a sense that nobody NEEDS to do anything, but if they want to appease the fanbase, they need to make that type of gesture even if it is moderately hollow. I'm not saying they need to spend the money. I'm saying they need to make the offer just from an appearances standpoint. f*** 'appearances'. The only appearances I want from the Astro are postseason appearances. 😉 |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2019 14:28:15 GMT -6
Again, lower tier minor league players know what they're getting in to. They accept the job in the hopes of making it big. If they want to try and make more money, they can go get different jobs. Why should major league players give the minor league players anything? Does anybody here give their entry-level coworkers part of their own salaries?I did. One year when I was due for a huge raise, I offered to forgo some of it so a couple of younger engineers in my district (who were busting their asses) could have a higher salary. We're only talking a few thousand per year but that made a huge difference to the guys who were making far less. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2019 14:30:56 GMT -6
Reid Ryan reassigned, and Crane's son placed in the role Reid had held.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 14:54:42 GMT -6
Reid Ryan reassigned, and Crane's son placed in the role Reid had held. I wonder what that means as far as how things are done. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 15:04:46 GMT -6
Pete Putila, director of player development, is a candidate for the Giants GM post
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 15:48:11 GMT -6
Still, players and owners should be ponying up some kind of surcharge (set percentage) so that MiLb has a living wage. I'm not sure what mechanism needs to be in place to funnel a tiny portion of MLB money into MiLB but it seems a little would go a long way. But it gets kinda messy when it comes to where the money comes from and exactly where it goes. Actually the solution is pretty easy. Here is a post I cut/pasted from another thread around this matter... I have an absolutley simple solution that would fix this problem with MILB once and for all. Just invoke a simple 1% MILB surcharge to MLB revenues (Owners part), and a 1% Player's surcharge. Beleive me.... with what these both these parties make, it won't be missed. Here is the math.... 5800 minor league players MLB revenues (latest data I could find)- $10.3B Total Player Salaries- $4.1B $14.4B X 1% = $144M total pool for MILB players $144M divided by 5800 players = $26,500 per player. Add this across the board to the existing graduated pay.... Rookie up to AAA. It's well documented that these guys can't have a union, but MLB players turning their back on a plight 90+% had to deal with, is sad sad, sad. And the owners? Chopping 25% of MILB teams and players is going to blow back in their face 10 fold. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 15:56:18 GMT -6
Again, lower tier minor league players know what they're getting in to. They accept the job in the hopes of making it big. If they want to try and make more money, they can go get different jobs. Why should major league players give the minor league players anything? Does anybody here give their entry-level coworkers part of their own salaries? ***** Amen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 16:05:22 GMT -6
Reid Ryan reassigned, and Crane's son placed in the role Reid had held. And thus Nolan Ryan cut ties with the Astros. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 16:06:24 GMT -6
Reid Ryan reassigned, and Crane's son placed in the role Reid had held. I wonder what that means as far as how things are done. one possible consequence ..
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:06:40 GMT -6
Well, technically they don't NEED to from a sense that nobody NEEDS to do anything, but if they want to appease the fanbase, they need to make that type of gesture even if it is moderately hollow. I'm not saying they need to spend the money. I'm saying they need to make the offer just from an appearances standpoint. feck 'appearances'. The only appearances I want from the Astro are postseason appearances. 😉 I agree, but you know businesses take "appearances" seriously. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:08:22 GMT -6
Again, lower tier minor league players know what they're getting in to. They accept the job in the hopes of making it big. If they want to try and make more money, they can go get different jobs. Why should major league players give the minor league players anything? Does anybody here give their entry-level coworkers part of their own salaries?I did. One year when I was due for a huge raise, I offered to forgo some of it so a couple of younger engineers in my district (who were busting their asses) could have a higher salary. We're only talking a few thousand per year but that made a huge difference to the guys who were making far less. SO you didn't cut back on your salary. You limited the size of the raise to your current salary. It sounds like you still took some of your raise. Why not give all of it up? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 16:08:53 GMT -6
I wonder what that means as far as how things are done. one possible consequence ..
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:11:30 GMT -6
I said it on Facebook too and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but...
With all due respect to the Ryans (and I love Nolan Ryan like every other red-blooded Texan), they weren't here to build the team; they were here to rebuild the business that is the Houston Astros franchise. That business has been built into a powerhouse and they made plenty of money from it and their partnership with it. Crane wants to grow this franchise into a legacy for his family. Welcome to rich sports team owning families.
It shouldn't change anything with the team as long as Crane keeps paying those paychecks and Luhnow keeps working his magic.
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