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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:13:51 GMT -6
Again, lower tier minor league players know what they're getting in to. They accept the job in the hopes of making it big. If they want to try and make more money, they can go get different jobs. Why should major league players give the minor league players anything? Does anybody here give their entry-level coworkers part of their own salaries? ***** Amen. You both are FOS. It not only takes talent to make the show, but a tad bit of luck in many cases. They have to remember what it was like scrimping and trying to get by, by a pittance. Asking only 1% of billionaire owners, and players pulling in 8 figures annually isn't jack shit. So before going forward with your ridiculous premise, I think Crash said it best starting at about 1:40......... |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 16:14:07 GMT -6
one possible consequence ..
Your thoughts? Retire his number?
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:15:33 GMT -6
Reid Ryan reassigned, and Crane's son placed in the role Reid had held. And thus Nolan Ryan cut ties with the Astros. Very BAD PR move for the Astros. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:16:50 GMT -6
And thus Nolan Ryan cut ties with the Astros. Very BAD PR move for the Astros. Seems like things are unraveling. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 16:17:12 GMT -6
I love Nolie. Longhorn Steakhouse's Chicken Fried Steak platter is named after him. Unfortunately it's not one of the better items on their menu
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:20:40 GMT -6
You both are FOS. It not only takes talent to make the show, but a tad bit of luck in many cases. They have to remember what it was like scrimping and trying to get by, by a pittance. Asking only 1% of billionaires, and players pulling in 8 figures annually isn't jack shit. So before going forward with your ridiculous premise, I think Crash said it best starting at 1:40......... So you're saying that it's not their fault? Somebody forced them to be mediocre baseball prospects rather than going to get a degree or license, etc. in a field that would make them more money? Come on. These are adults making their own decisions based on their own desires and/or feedback from their families. If it's not enough money for them they can pursue something else. Luck, talent, it doesn't matter. Just like in real life when not everybody deserving of a promotion gets one, them not making more money is not the problem of MLB players. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:21:25 GMT -6
I said it on Facebook too and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but... With all due respect to the Ryans (and I love Nolan Ryan like every other red-blooded Texan), they weren't here to build the team; they were here to rebuild the business that is the Houston Astros franchise. That business has been built into a powerhouse and they made plenty of money from it and their partnership with it. Crane wants to grow this franchise into a legacy for his family. Welcome to rich sports team owning families. It shouldn't change anything with the team as long as Crane keeps paying those paychecks and Luhnow keeps working his magic. I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. I wonder how much of this is related to Taubman and his statement about Osuna. Sounds like there is lot of crap going on in the front office. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 7, 2019 16:25:14 GMT -6
Being a minor-league ballplayer is like being in a garage band. You're doing something you love, but it doesn't make ends meet by itself and in most cases you need a second job to keep doing it
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:26:25 GMT -6
I said it on Facebook too and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but... With all due respect to the Ryans (and I love Nolan Ryan like every other red-blooded Texan), they weren't here to build the team; they were here to rebuild the business that is the Houston Astros franchise. That business has been built into a powerhouse and they made plenty of money from it and their partnership with it. Crane wants to grow this franchise into a legacy for his family. Welcome to rich sports team owning families. It shouldn't change anything with the team as long as Crane keeps paying those paychecks and Luhnow keeps working his magic. I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. Crane didn't "take a dump" on anybody. He moved his son into a position closer to him, and moved Ryan into another position. If Nolan wants to take offense to that then so be it. I haven't seen Reid post anything butt-hurt about it. Nolan was building up the Rangers before he came back to us thanks to a partnership with the Astros. Partnerships don't last forever. It's just business. Some fans might be frustrated by it, but if they're rooting for the Astros because of whose kid is in the FO then they have a weird way of picking who to root for. I would bet it doesn't hurt ticket sales in the slighest. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:27:12 GMT -6
Being a minor-league ballplayer is like being in a garage band. You're doing something you love, but it doesn't make ends meet by itself and in most cases you need a second job to keep doing it Exactly. So you do it as long as you can with the hopes it will pay off, or else you leave the garage and get a 9 to 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:31:35 GMT -6
You both are FOS. It not only takes talent to make the show, but a tad bit of luck in many cases. They have to remember what it was like scrimping and trying to get by, by a pittance. Asking only 1% of billionaires, and players pulling in 8 figures annually isn't jack shit. So before going forward with your ridiculous premise, I think Crash said it best starting at 1:40......... So you're saying that it's not their fault? Somebody forced them to be mediocre baseball prospects rather than going to get a degree or license, etc. in a field that would make them more money? Come on. These are adults making their own decisions based on their own desires and/or feedback from their families. If it's not enough money for them they can pursue something else. Luck, talent, it doesn't matter. Just like in real life when not everybody deserving of a promotion gets one, them not making more money is not the problem of MLB players. Average A Player makes $1050/mo. while playing. Explain to me how someone is able to live (w/o help) on those wages. Futhermore, they are providing along with team mates a valuable service, by (1) promoting baseball interest in small town America (2) Proving ground for base talent. What happens if this proving ground dries up? How will baseball be able to evaluate valid talent for the LT excellence of the game? You guys have lost it, as far as understanding the structural base of this game. Do you realize how little the owners and players would notice the 1% I propose? Do you ever go to MiLB games, and would miss them if they are gone? Do you understand how f'ed up this game would be if we relied only on NCAA as pool for players? Jesus...... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:32:55 GMT -6
Being a minor-league ballplayer is like being in a garage band. You're doing something you love, but it doesn't make ends meet by itself and in most cases you need a second job to keep doing it That second job would only be pertinent October though January or February. Otherwise, with games, travel, practice ....... Not an option. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:34:14 GMT -6
Being a minor-league ballplayer is like being in a garage band. You're doing something you love, but it doesn't make ends meet by itself and in most cases you need a second job to keep doing it Exactly. So you do it as long as you can with the hopes it will pay off, or else you leave the garage and get a 9 to 5. Baloney, Garage bands can function after work, weekends, and on other spare time. Minor League baseball? Of course not |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:36:42 GMT -6
I said it on Facebook too and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but... With all due respect to the Ryans (and I love Nolan Ryan like every other red-blooded Texan), they weren't here to build the team; they were here to rebuild the business that is the Houston Astros franchise. That business has been built into a powerhouse and they made plenty of money from it and their partnership with it. Crane wants to grow this franchise into a legacy for his family. Welcome to rich sports team owning families. It shouldn't change anything with the team as long as Crane keeps paying those paychecks and Luhnow keeps working his magic. I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. I wonder how much of this is related to Taubman and his statement about Osuna. Sounds like there is lot of crap going on in the front office. Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:38:42 GMT -6
So you're saying that it's not their fault? Somebody forced them to be mediocre baseball prospects rather than going to get a degree or license, etc. in a field that would make them more money? Come on. These are adults making their own decisions based on their own desires and/or feedback from their families. If it's not enough money for them they can pursue something else. Luck, talent, it doesn't matter. Just like in real life when not everybody deserving of a promotion gets one, them not making more money is not the problem of MLB players. Average A Player makes $1050/mo. while playing. Explain to me how someone is able to live (w/o help) on those wages. Futhermore, they are providing along with team mates a valuable service, by (1) promoting baseball interest in small town America (2) Proving ground for base talent. What happens if this proving ground dries up? How will baseball be able to evaluate valid talent for the LT excellence of the game? You guys have lost it, as far as understanding the structural base of this game. Do you realize how little the owners and players would notice the 1% I propose? Do you ever go to MiLB games, and would miss them if they are gone? Do you understand how f'ed up this game would be if we relied only on NCAA as pool for players? Jesus...... I'm not saying it isn't nice if they're given money. I'm saying I don't feel sorry for them. It's their choice. If it's not enough for them to get by and they don't want to do it, they don't have to. Probably several of us that post here had to make a decision when they played high school and/or college ball to decide if they were good enough or were able to keep pursuing it. I know I had a choice. I realized that I was pretty good but probably not good enough to make it to the majors. So I went to college and pursued another career. As much as I loved baseball, I didn't want to spend several years potentially floundering in the minors or going to tryout after tryout with no guarantees of ever achieving anything. There's nothing wrong with wanting the minor league players to make more money. That's nice. I want lots of people to make more money. But they're adults that can make their own decisions. I'm not going to feel sorry for grown men getting paid to play baseball (even if they aren't getting paid a lot). |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:39:35 GMT -6
I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. Crane didn't "take a dump" on anybody. He moved his son into a position closer to him, and moved Ryan into another position. If Nolan wants to take offense to that then so be it. I haven't seen Reid post anything butt-hurt about it. Nolan was building up the Rangers before he came back to us thanks to a partnership with the Astros. Partnerships don't last forever. It's just business. Some fans might be frustrated by it, but if they're rooting for the Astros because of whose kid is in the FO then they have a weird way of picking who to root for. I would bet it doesn't hurt ticket sales in the slighest. i don't think it hurts ticket sales, either. It just won't sit well with a lot of fans.....especially those like me who have been around a long time. I have always been an Astros fan and will continue to be but I can't say that i'm happy about this. There is more to this than we will ever hear about. Don't be surprised at what happens next. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:41:42 GMT -6
I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. I wonder how much of this is related to Taubman and his statement about Osuna. Sounds like there is lot of crap going on in the front office. Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. My sentiments exactly. The Ryans didn't cost them the World Series. Events to come could be interesting. I hope they aren't about to ruin a good thing. I wonder if Crane has forgotten that Nolan Ryan is Verlander's role model. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:42:57 GMT -6
I understand Crane wanting to build his "family legacy" and move his son into the president's position. However, it could have been done in a way that would not create ill will between the Astros and Nolan Ryan's family. Screwing over the family of a Hall of Fame pitcher who was a big part of the organization both as a player and in an advisory capacity is NOT the way to go about it. Taking a dump on the Ryan's is not a good move by Crane. Fan reaction to this will be interesting. Personally, I think it stinks. I wonder how much of this is related to Taubman and his statement about Osuna. Sounds like there is lot of crap going on in the front office. Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. Nolan played the nepotism game first. Where was the uproar then? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:44:09 GMT -6
Crane didn't "take a dump" on anybody. He moved his son into a position closer to him, and moved Ryan into another position. If Nolan wants to take offense to that then so be it. I haven't seen Reid post anything butt-hurt about it. Nolan was building up the Rangers before he came back to us thanks to a partnership with the Astros. Partnerships don't last forever. It's just business. Some fans might be frustrated by it, but if they're rooting for the Astros because of whose kid is in the FO then they have a weird way of picking who to root for. I would bet it doesn't hurt ticket sales in the slighest. i don't think it hurts ticket sales, either. It just won't sit well with a lot of fans.....especially those like me who have been around a long time. I have always been an Astros fan and will continue to be but I can't say that i'm happy about this. There is more to this than we will ever hear about. Don't be surprised at what happens next. Did you root for them when they didn't bring Ryan back as a player? That was considerably more serious from a PR standpoint. This is an after thought. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -6
Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. Nolan played the nepotism game first. Where was the uproar then? How did Nolan play the nepotism game? Reid was there before Nolan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:45:43 GMT -6
Average A Player makes $1050/mo. while playing. Explain to me how someone is able to live (w/o help) on those wages. Futhermore, they are providing along with team mates a valuable service, by (1) promoting baseball interest in small town America (2) Proving ground for base talent. What happens if this proving ground dries up? How will baseball be able to evaluate valid talent for the LT excellence of the game? You guys have lost it, as far as understanding the structural base of this game. Do you realize how little the owners and players would notice the 1% I propose? Do you ever go to MiLB games, and would miss them if they are gone? Do you understand how f'ed up this game would be if we relied only on NCAA as pool for players? Jesus...... I know I had a choice. I realized that I was pretty good but probably not good enough to make it to the majors. So I went to college and pursued another career. As much as I loved baseball, I didn't want to spend several years potentially floundering in the minors or going to tryout after tryout with no guarantees of ever achieving anything. There's nothing wrong with wanting the minor league players to make more money. That's nice. I want lots of people to make more money. But they're adults that can make their own decisions. I'm not going to feel sorry for grown men getting paid to play baseball (even if they aren't getting paid a lot). I understand the metrics of choices in careers. We all have done that. But, what if everyone took the conservative approach and avoided trying for their dreams? How many great players were never known because of the financial risks? I am not advocating that they get rich. Just enough to live by. My 1% suggestion would just add $26K to every players salary, while the loss to players and owners, wouldn't even be noticed. Plus, this would help insure the long term health of the game. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2019 16:46:02 GMT -6
You both are FOS. It not only takes talent to make the show, but a tad bit of luck in many cases. They have to remember what it was like scrimping and trying to get by, by a pittance. Asking only 1% of billionaire owners, and players pulling in 8 figures annually isn't jack shit. So before going forward with your ridiculous premise, I think Crash said it best starting at about 1:40......... I don't understand how you (supposedly) anti-socialism, anti-big-government, anti-welfare "conservatives" can hold such liberal, socialist ideals. You're perfectly happy to force "them" to give up "their" money to some sad sack, but would take up arms if someone suggested you do the same. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 16:47:04 GMT -6
i don't think it hurts ticket sales, either. It just won't sit well with a lot of fans.....especially those like me who have been around a long time. I have always been an Astros fan and will continue to be but I can't say that i'm happy about this. There is more to this than we will ever hear about. Don't be surprised at what happens next. Did you root for them when they didn't bring Ryan back as a player? That was considerably more serious from a PR standpoint. This is an after thought. I didn't like the move but I didn't stop supporting them. I did start following the Rangers while he was there and the Astros were still an NL team. I watched both teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:47:10 GMT -6
Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. My sentiments exactly. The Ryans didn't cost them the World Series. Events to come could be interesting. I hope they aren't about to ruin a good thing. I wonder if Crane has forgotten that Nolan Ryan is Verlander's role model. I understand Ryan had a lot to do with landing Verlander and others in the first place. That's gone now. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:47:30 GMT -6
Nolan played the nepotism game first. Where was the uproar then? How did Nolan play the nepotism game? Reid was there before Nolan. He is the CEO of his father's company that owns a number of businesses. Reid didn't build the company. Reid didn't make enough money to buy the company. How do you think Reid got involved? Daddy got Reid involved. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:49:01 GMT -6
I know I had a choice. I realized that I was pretty good but probably not good enough to make it to the majors. So I went to college and pursued another career. As much as I loved baseball, I didn't want to spend several years potentially floundering in the minors or going to tryout after tryout with no guarantees of ever achieving anything. There's nothing wrong with wanting the minor league players to make more money. That's nice. I want lots of people to make more money. But they're adults that can make their own decisions. I'm not going to feel sorry for grown men getting paid to play baseball (even if they aren't getting paid a lot). I understand the metrics of choices in careers. We all have done that. But, what if everyone took the conservative approach and avoided trying for their dreams? How many great players were never known because of the financial risks? I am not advocating that they get rich. Just enough to live by. My 1% suggestion would just add $26K to every players salary, while the loss to players and owners, wouldn't even be noticed. Plus, this would help insure the long term health of the game. That's what makes special players special players. They stick it out and fulfill those dreams. Some do some don't. Lots of people dreamt about being professional athletes. Shoulld they all be coddled? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:50:12 GMT -6
My sentiments exactly. The Ryans didn't cost them the World Series. Events to come could be interesting. I hope they aren't about to ruin a good thing. I wonder if Crane has forgotten that Nolan Ryan is Verlander's role model. I understand Ryan had a lot to do with landing Verlander and others in the first place. That's gone now. You know what kept Verlander an Astro the next two years though? $66 million that belongs to Crane. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 16:51:14 GMT -6
I don't understand how you (supposedly) anti-socialism, anti-big-government, anti-welfare "conservatives" can hold such liberal, socialist ideals. You're perfectly happy to force "them" to give up "their" money to some sad sack, but would take up arms if someone suggested you do the same. Big difference in forced massive taxation associated with socialism , and a volunteer based 1% surcharge. I mean 1 freakin' percent, that will help the long term health of the sport. WTF..... Let's become football, and let the NCAA dictate our game's future. /s |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 16:51:14 GMT -6
Did you root for them when they didn't bring Ryan back as a player? That was considerably more serious from a PR standpoint. This is an after thought. I didn't like the move but I didn't stop supporting them. I did start following the Rangers while he was there and the Astros were still an NL team. I watched both teams. So there you go. If you, as a representative of the fan base you mentioned, still rooted for them, why would this be a big deal? I bet they'll still be serving Nolan Ryan hot dogs at MMP next season. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2019 16:52:25 GMT -6
Ryan's stature, and influence within MLB exceeds anyone else in this organization, with the exception of Luhnow. Crane picked a hell of time to start playing the nepotism game. Nolan played the nepotism game first. Where was the uproar then? It's OK to nepotise Nolan's son, son, but not Crane's son, son. |
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