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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 20:16:05 GMT -6
If I owned a company I'd want my son to take it over when I die. I'd want him to learn the business from me and get good at it too. You'd start him at the executive level? You don't realize how cringeworthy that is. Does his son have zero experience? You're assuming he has zero experience or education. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 20:17:40 GMT -6
He is the CEO of his father's company that owns a number of businesses. Reid didn't build the company. Reid didn't make enough money to buy the company. How do you think Reid got involved? Daddy got Reid involved. Daddy being pissed off could end up biting Crane in the ass, too. Astros players........especially pitchers........respected Nolan and went to him for advise. I doubt if little Crane has the respect of the players that the Ryans had. Big daddy Crane is over-reacting to losing the WS......He told Luhnow to get Greinke thinking that locked it up and it didn't happen........Could be there was more overall dissension than anyone knew.......Isn't it odd that a team that dominated at home and hit well there during the season lost all 4 WS games at home and didn't play well at all? How many were unhappy because Correa sat on his ass over half of the season and then decided he was healthy for the post season where he sucked most of the time? Tbings wil get intersting before all is said and done............I just hope things don't start golng downhilll. Nah. The Astros don't need the Ryans. Again, I like Nolan. But they weren't making us great. Crane, Luhnow, and the talent of the players did that. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 20:18:38 GMT -6
It doesn't matter. His company and his son. If he wants to keep the business in the family (as most families of all business do) then it's his choice and its a reasonable one. If I owned a company I'd want my son to take it over when I die. I'd want him to learn the business from me and get good at it too. Putting your son in charge if he isn't as qualfied or more qualified than who he replaced is not good business sense. Crane is the owner and can do as he pleases but I doubt if his son is as qualified as Reid Ryan for that position. The Cranes may be business geniuses but I doubt they have the knowledge the Ryans possess in building a baseball franchise. Based on what Sempersmom posted, he is just as qualified as Reid was for Nolan. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 20:19:46 GMT -6
I hoped Altuve might sneak in there but I'm not surprised. Congrats to the others! Easily deserved.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 7, 2019 20:21:28 GMT -6
I belive the Astros will circle back around and snag Trey Mancini.
Heard they really do like him, jusy didnt like the price last time around. But could circle around and get him since he can play 1B. Not at an elite level like Yuli but at a good rate so yuli could go to third and breg could go ss so correa can be traded for help
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 7, 2019 20:40:14 GMT -6
I’m thinking that for most of these athletes the increased chance to make millions as a pro athlete is the one and only asset the schools provide. I mean, really, most of these “student” athletes probably couldn’t spell “cat” if you spotted them the C and the A when they entered college and still can’t when they leave. I doubt that the majority of college athletes ever earn a degree. If nothing else, they're benefitting by the priority acceptance over your kid and mine who aren't star athletes. Here is what really pisses me off. A college team only gets 11 baseball scholarships. My son is a sophomore in high school. He is being recruited. If he had played football or basketball it would be a FULL ride. Baseball players do NOT get the same treatment as others in college athletics. We do have 1 division 1 school in our state that has offered 30% athletic and 60% academic for a total of 90%. What if he wasn't in the steam academy? Why should a "dumb" football or basketball player get better treatment than a "dumb" or should I say not so smart baseball player? |
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Post by marshall on Nov 7, 2019 21:24:52 GMT -6
I have no sympathy for the "exploited" college athlete when they are on full scholarships while real students are paying $40,000/yr to actually study their asses off for what is often a piece of paper that keeps them from getting the same job they could have gotten without the piece of paper that actually pays more. Of course I heard that old overqualified BS way too often. Son, what is the deal with that avatar? I identify with SANE. My pronouns are intelligent, wise and perceptive. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -6
The world is either really right or really wrong when Marshall has a Pepe meme as a profile pic.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2019 21:28:08 GMT -6
Despite being a Republican, I admit I'm a bit of a socialist when it comes to college athletes. When one considers how much revenue college football generates for a university, those are the most exploited out of everyone Each should receive an annual $5000 stipend if they keep their noses clean I have no sympathy for the "exploited" college athlete when they are on full scholarships while real students are paying $40,000/yr to actually study their asses off for what is often a piece of paper that keeps them from getting the same job they could have gotten without the piece of paper that actually pays more. Of course I heard that old overqualified BS way too often. ***** Well stated. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 7, 2019 21:40:42 GMT -6
The world is either really right or really wrong when Marshall has a Pepe meme as a profile pic. I actually resemble Pepe when I have food poisoning. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:23:45 GMT -6
Average MLB salaries are over $4.5M I am doing alright, but my annual investment returns aren't near that. If I was a MLB player, and remembered toiling for wages that almost required a welfare check? Yeah I'd pony up for my less fortunate brethren. And as far as supporting sad sacks, I have plenty of family to fit that bill. Again, not willing to pony up out of your own pocket but happy to make someone else do it. Is that you, AOC? Bullshit. If a MiLB team was nearby, I'd support them all that I could, but you think I should pay all of them? (attendance, concessions, and even a meal or two if asked) Flimsy analogy, Green one. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:31:35 GMT -6
Jim Crane is a billionaire businessman...I hardly think he's bumbling along, ruining his companies, by making poor staffing decisions. Also, I think you overestimate the power that one Justin Verlander has in the business model of this organization. He's not making out the line up, and he's not deciding who can be the President of Baseball Operations. Is there a bigger baseball legend than Nolan alive? I don't think so. It would be like the Yankees pissing off the Babe. The minions here also don't realize the influence Nolan Ryan has in this entire game. There's more than meets the eye, during these impromptu meetings he has. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:37:34 GMT -6
You'd start him at the executive level? You don't realize how cringeworthy that is. From the Chron: "According to Jared Crane’s LinkedIn profile, his most recent job title was regional vice president, business development at Crane Worldwide Logistics. Jared obtained a bachelor's degree in business from California Lutheran University in 2007 and worked various jobs at Champion Energy Service from 2002-08 — when his father was CEO and director of the company. Jared Crane founded Incite Energy in 2012. Last September, he sold the company’s assets to Infinity Power Partners LLC and CSD Energy Advisors LLC."
I think his dad has been grooming him to take over. Nothing wrong with that. It's his family business.
I'm from the oil industry, and I'll go on record as saying this resume' is not as impressive as its seems. This is a nepotiistic portfolio that coat-tailed daddy, at every move. Add the fact he has zero baseball experience, and then double add the fact we are losing Nolan Ryan's influence on baseball matters...... This is a terrible development. This situation would have been better served by him possibly functioning as a Owner's liason on non-baseball aspects of the Astros. Anyithing, but this. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 22:41:51 GMT -6
Daddy being pissed off could end up biting Crane in the ass, too. Astros players........especially pitchers........respected Nolan and went to him for advise. I doubt if little Crane has the respect of the players that the Ryans had. Big daddy Crane is over-reacting to losing the WS......He told Luhnow to get Greinke thinking that locked it up and it didn't happen........Could be there was more overall dissension than anyone knew.......Isn't it odd that a team that dominated at home and hit well there during the season lost all 4 WS games at home and didn't play well at all? How many were unhappy because Correa sat on his ass over half of the season and then decided he was healthy for the post season where he sucked most of the time? Tbings wil get intersting before all is said and done............I just hope things don't start golng downhilll. Nah. The Astros don't need the Ryans. Again, I like Nolan. But they weren't making us great. Crane, Luhnow, and the talent of the players did that. The Rangers decided they didn't need Nolan Ryan and we see how that worked out. I am not saying it will happen with the Astros, but. Crane just made one huge PR blunder. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 22:45:47 GMT -6
I belive the Astros will circle back around and snag Trey Mancini. Heard they really do like him, jusy didnt like the price last time around. But could circle around and get him since he can play 1B. Not at an elite level like Yuli but at a good rate so yuli could go to third and breg could go ss so correa can be traded for help so we will now hear about Mancini all winter. I wish you had him up your ass next to Realmuto and Dietrich. What makes you think the Astros have any interest in Mancini? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:46:25 GMT -6
Nah. The Astros don't need the Ryans. Again, I like Nolan. But they weren't making us great. Crane, Luhnow, and the talent of the players did that. The Rangers decided they didn't need Nolan Ryan and we see how that worked out. I am not saying it will happen with the Astros, but. Crane just made one huge PR blunder. More than a PR blunder. We just lost a legend with maybe more team advocacy clout than anyone else in baseball. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:50:20 GMT -6
Daddy being pissed off could end up biting Crane in the ass, too. Astros players........especially pitchers........respected Nolan and went to him for advise. I doubt if little Crane has the respect of the players that the Ryans had. Big daddy Crane is over-reacting to losing the WS......He told Luhnow to get Greinke thinking that locked it up and it didn't happen........Could be there was more overall dissension than anyone knew.......Isn't it odd that a team that dominated at home and hit well there during the season lost all 4 WS games at home and didn't play well at all? How many were unhappy because Correa sat on his ass over half of the season and then decided he was healthy for the post season where he sucked most of the time? Tbings wil get intersting before all is said and done............I just hope things don't start golng downhilll. Nah. The Astros don't need the Ryans. Again, I like Nolan. But they weren't making us great. Crane, Luhnow, and the talent of the players did that. You really think that Ryan had no influence in putting together the tandem of Verander, Cole, and Greinke, all at long odds? If you gave Luhnow truth serum right at this exact moment, I'd love to hear what he thinks of Crane's move today. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 22:55:03 GMT -6
Is there a bigger baseball legend than Nolan alive? I don't think so. It would be like the Yankees pissing off the Babe. The minions here also don't realize the influence Nolan Ryan has in this entire game. There's more than meets the eye, during these impromptu meetings he has. Well said and 100% accurate. Pissing off Larry Dierker bsck in the day was one thing,but, this is Nolan Ryan and his family that Crane has chosen to disrespect. Nolan Ryan is not only an Astros legend and icon, he is one of the All-time great of major league baseball. Having him connected to this organization had its advantages. I doubt if Crane realizes just what Ryan means to Astros fans or to the people of Texas. This guy could run for and be elected to most any statewide office if he wanted it. We all appreciate Crane buying the team from the grocery salesman from Temple,but, pulling this stunt on the Ryans was something only an idiot like john McMullen would do. Crane owns the team and has the final say in decisions regarding it, but, he screwed the pooch this time. Maybe Crane should have called Jon Daniels before he made this decision. As an old friend of mine would say....Crane just shit in his nest. No doubt that Ryan had a good bit to do with putting this pitching staff together. Keep in mind the Rangers developed a pitching staff like they had never had and went to 2 World Series. Daniels' ego got in the way and he forced Ryan out.....the Rangers have been in decline ever since. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 23:06:13 GMT -6
The minions here also don't realize the influence Nolan Ryan has in this entire game. There's more than meets the eye, during these impromptu meetings he has. Well said and 100% accurate. Pissing off Larry Dierker bsck in the day was one thing,but, this is Nolan Ryan and his family that Crane has chosen to disrespect. Nolan Ryan is not only an Astros legend and icon, he is one of the All-time great of major league baseball. Having him connected to this organization had its advantages. I doubt if Crane realizes just what Ryan means to Astros fans or to the people of Texas. This guy could run for and be elected to most any statewide office if he wanted it. We all appreciate Crane buying the team from the grocery salesman from Temple,but, pulling this stunt on the Ryans was something only an idiot like john McMullen would do. Crane owns the team and has the final say in decisions regarding it, but, he screwed the pooch this time. Maybe Crane should have called Jon Daniels before he made this decision. As an old friend of mine would say....Crane just shit in his nest. No doubt that Ryan had a good bit to do with putting this pitching staff together. Keep in mind the Rangers developed a pitching staff like they had never had and went to 2 World Series. Daniels' ego got in the way and he forced Ryan out.....the Rangers have been in decline ever since. There used to be a commerical with EF Hutton, where when a one of their rep's was asked for advice, the room went silent, and everyone was keenly interested on his reply. Nolan Ryan is that kind of guy in baseball. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 7, 2019 23:34:09 GMT -6
Well said and 100% accurate. Pissing off Larry Dierker bsck in the day was one thing,but, this is Nolan Ryan and his family that Crane has chosen to disrespect. Nolan Ryan is not only an Astros legend and icon, he is one of the All-time great of major league baseball. Having him connected to this organization had its advantages. I doubt if Crane realizes just what Ryan means to Astros fans or to the people of Texas. This guy could run for and be elected to most any statewide office if he wanted it. We all appreciate Crane buying the team from the grocery salesman from Temple,but, pulling this stunt on the Ryans was something only an idiot like john McMullen would do. Crane owns the team and has the final say in decisions regarding it, but, he screwed the pooch this time. Maybe Crane should have called Jon Daniels before he made this decision. As an old friend of mine would say....Crane just shit in his nest. No doubt that Ryan had a good bit to do with putting this pitching staff together. Keep in mind the Rangers developed a pitching staff like they had never had and went to 2 World Series. Daniels' ego got in the way and he forced Ryan out.....the Rangers have been in decline ever since. There used to be a commerical with EF Hutton, where when a one of their rep's was asked for advice, the room went silent, and everyone was keenly interested on his reply. Nolan Ryan is that kind of guy in baseball. too bad Crane apparently doesn't know that |
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Post by marshall on Nov 8, 2019 4:46:33 GMT -6
This is like mommy and daddy fighting. You don't really care about the details, you just want it to stop.
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 9:07:18 GMT -6
From the Chron: "According to Jared Crane’s LinkedIn profile, his most recent job title was regional vice president, business development at Crane Worldwide Logistics. Jared obtained a bachelor's degree in business from California Lutheran University in 2007 and worked various jobs at Champion Energy Service from 2002-08 — when his father was CEO and director of the company. Jared Crane founded Incite Energy in 2012. Last September, he sold the company’s assets to Infinity Power Partners LLC and CSD Energy Advisors LLC."
I think his dad has been grooming him to take over. Nothing wrong with that. It's his family business.
I'm from the oil industry, and I'll go on record as saying this resume' is not as impressive as its seems. This is a nepotiistic portfolio that coat-tailed daddy, at every move. Add the fact he has zero baseball experience, and then double add the fact we are losing Nolan Ryan's influence on baseball matters...... This is a terrible development. This situation would have been better served by him possibly functioning as a Owner's liason on non-baseball aspects of the Astros. Anyithing, but this. Just like Reid Ryan getting started in all of Nolan's businesses. This is literally not different. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 9:08:25 GMT -6
Nah. The Astros don't need the Ryans. Again, I like Nolan. But they weren't making us great. Crane, Luhnow, and the talent of the players did that. The Rangers decided they didn't need Nolan Ryan and we see how that worked out. I am not saying it will happen with the Astros, but. Crane just made one huge PR blunder. I really really doubt it. This is a lesser PR blunder than the Taubman thing. Nobody will care or remember this by ST, if not sooner. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 9:25:25 GMT -6
I'm from the oil industry, and I'll go on record as saying this resume' is not as impressive as its seems. This is a nepotiistic portfolio that coat-tailed daddy, at every move. Add the fact he has zero baseball experience, and then double add the fact we are losing Nolan Ryan's influence on baseball matters...... This is a terrible development. This situation would have been better served by him possibly functioning as a Owner's liason on non-baseball aspects of the Astros. Anyithing, but this. Just like Reid Ryan getting started in all of Nolan's businesses. This is literally not different. You are kidding right? Reid Ryan grew up in a MLB HOF household, absorbed all that, help set up minor league teams, and was a minor league pitcher. Care to cover Jared Crane's baseball experience, and understanding of the nuances of the baseball business? Then add the fact all Crane brings to the table is money. Nolan Ryan .... Baseball knowledge, experience, and influence. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 9:27:08 GMT -6
The Rangers decided they didn't need Nolan Ryan and we see how that worked out. I am not saying it will happen with the Astros, but. Crane just made one huge PR blunder. I really really doubt it. This is a lesser PR blunder than the Taubman thing. Nobody will care or remember this by ST, if not sooner. Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke.  |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 9:45:18 GMT -6
Nolan didn't make JV a HoFer. Nolan didn't get JV here. Nolan didn't keep JV here.
I appreciate that he was/is a mentor to JV, but that's all it was. JV is not going to suddenly be a bad pitcher because Nolan isn't associated with the team.
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 9:48:29 GMT -6
Just like Reid Ryan getting started in all of Nolan's businesses. This is literally not different. You are kidding right? Reid Ryan grew up in a MLB HOF household, absorbed all that, help set up minor league teams, and was a minor league pitcher. Care to cover Jared Crane's baseball experience, and understanding of the nuances of the baseball business? Then add the fact all Crane brings to the table is money. Nolan Ryan .... Baseball knowledge, experience, and influence. You're overvaluing Reid's experience when he got started. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 9:49:25 GMT -6
I really really doubt it. This is a lesser PR blunder than the Taubman thing. Nobody will care or remember this by ST, if not sooner. Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke. Not the common fans. Or they at least won't care since he wasn't doing anything for the actual team. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 8, 2019 10:11:11 GMT -6
Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke. Not the common fans. Or they at least won't care since he wasn't doing anything for the actual team. I agree. I love Nolan Ryan but the success of this team doesn't depend on him. There's some over-reacting on this board. |
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